xxMESTxx

Are you sure about that? Because since you've been gone(whatever happened to that btw), I've been right, and it has been a slightly less stupid place. Why'd you have to fuck that up, man?


Hmm, no. I think being antagonistic is funny. It just helps to be clever while antagonizing. Which you clearly aren't.


I think I've admitted this myself actually. I'm also less intelligent the Num, Act, Shrike, Mibs and pretty much anyone else with a colored name. That doesn't change the fact that I'm leagues beyond your dumb ass.

Because you're an idiot. See what happens when you think?

You're now not only the biggest retard here, you're also the most pathetic. Don't you know when you rage quit, you're supposed to, you know, quit?

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ACt

I do so enjoy it when they come back and post an entire "one last word even though I quit" post that boils down to the intellectual equivalent of "Nu-uh!"

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Mal

YOU CAN'T HIDE FROM ME AW, MAN UP AND FUCK OFF LIKE YOU SAID YOU WOULD.caps

Numinous

What?! Is my assertion that he's still sneaking around right? If that's so, what a pussy.

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almightywood

Not really, you all were trying to tell me my opinion was invalid through stating your own.
You all brought your opinions up in contention to mine, not the reverse.
In other words, it was you who were enforcing your opinions on me.


No, my point all along, was that you all state your opinions like they are facts. Whereas I state mine as though it's an opinion. You can't disprove an opinion with an opinion, only with a fact. That is why you can not prove an opinion wrong without proving it impossible. When you talk about right and wrong (in the logical sense), you are talking about something that basically exists completely outside the realm of anything I was ever even discussing.



The only problem here is the fact that you all refuse to approach a non-debate discussion with a non-debate oriented approach. Debates are for meatheads who don't like to mull on things. It's a way for people to feel important about themselves and smart. After all the whole point of a debate isn't the truth at all, it's just winning. I like to think about and consider all possibilities and what they entail since you can not come up with new and interesting concepts without stepping outside the standard thought process.

Being ethically right and wrong is something I care about, I find the other right and wrong to be the most insignificant concept on the face of the planet. Since it is only an illusion anyway. Once you determine that someone is "right" with a debate, then you file it away under "resolved" even though no conclusion was ever actually reached, as there is still more to know about the subject, whatever it is.

A debate is just the common man's way to "figure something out" so they no longer have to think about it. It's the lowest form of intellectual discussion, and if you insist on doing it then do it with someone who actually wants to. A discussion that is not a debate is the only good way to pass along information since you don't have to fight people to get your message across. At that point it is up to them whether or not they choose to accept what you have to say.


My whole little philosophy wasn't created so that I could never be wrong. It has nothing to do with me always being right. Right and wrong (at least in the way that you guys are using it) doesn't even exist for me because of my philosophy. Or at least that's the point of it anyway. I adopted it to stop myself from attacking other people and calling them wrong, as I personally think that is the worst thing you can do to anyone. No and wrong are the worst words in the english language, as what they most often do is cause people to stop trying to live an individual lifestyle, rather than inspire them to overcome adversity, as you all have kidded yourselves into believing you are doing. Creativity and diversity are the only things that will insure the survival of our race through all the crap that the universe will eventually throw at us, and you guys' philosophy is all about stamping those things out.


You all can call me a hypocrite for posting again, Idgias. I try very hard to maintain a positive and neutral demeanor because I am a very big grudge holding motherfucker. If I don't completely ignore what you all relish more than life itself I end up pissed off 24/7 which is no way to live. But either way I do what I have to do to end it in a way that's acceptable to me, and the way it was before was not satisfactory.

Human Rasengan

damnit how do I keep missing all the good shit

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for those of you who don't understand.. I'm coming from an illogical perspective so your logic won't fit my argument .. it'll only give you a headache.. remember ..belief doesn't require a co-signer There Is A Fine Line Between Genius And Insanity , I Have Erased This Line ! If I were you I'd hate me too.. I am the HUMAN RASENGAN!!!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlzx4...&feature=share

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3qkz4WfOto

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Axiom

Nothing of a kind has happened in this thread. What has transpired here is people have presented reasonable arguments against your unsubstantiated hogwash, then provided proper evidence to reinforce their claims, that indeed what you are faffing on about is unsubstantiated hogwash.

You have said all this before, and continue to add nothing of value to your argument. Did you really come back here just to copy and paste crap you have already said in just about every other one of your posts?

It's interesting however that you keep using this untouchable opinion/unobtainable truth spiel of yours, when yourself said:
This is you using an absolute truth to try and solidify your opinion.

You do realize your "non-debate" is taking placing in a sub-section of the debate board right?

Is this an opinion or an absolute truth?

I am much more willing to entertain the validity of a well thought out and properly reasoned claim, from someone who put in the time and effort to research and construct an argument of substance. Over the nonsensical ramblings of some guy who simply "mulled" things over for five minutes in his head.

Again, extending from my previous point. Debates for individuals to whom are actually willing to spend the time research the finer points of their position. So they can precede to present a reasonable argument for it.

It's actually the exacty opposite of insignificant. If I claim that clouds are made of lettuce. Do you honestly consider it worth while to explore that as an actual possibility? I think not.

If there is more to know on a subject matter, then there is still room for debate. That's not the case for you, becuase you just keep coming back regurgitating the same old lame -to quote Act- "Metaphysical crap".

Wow..... The level of nonsense in that is.... Just wow.

You should, unequivocally, have to "fight to get your message across". That's what proves you, at the very least, have applied proper thought to it to begin with. Why should anyone accept your view on a subject when you have proven to have no knowledge of it, and no intention on researching it further.

If some guy trys to rewrite the laws of physics by claiming that the erath is held together by spegetti noodles. He better be prepared to argue that position with more then, "it is becuase I beleive it is"


That's exactly what your philoshophy does. "I am stating my opinions. Opinions cannot be proven wrong, without an absolute truth. Absoluted trutsh do not exist. Ergo, I can never be proven wrong."

You like that kid on the play ground, who makes up rules for the game on the fly, to which only benefit him. Then when one of his rules bites him in the ass, he changes it to suit him better.


You're a hypocrite.

Numinous

Oh boy, he sure keeps his promises, doesn't he?

And? Opinions that are logically sound beat opinions based on baloney every time, is this some kind of news for you? Because this was established at the dawn of civilization, or else there wouldn't be civilization to begin with.

Let me clarify Mal's words since you clearly didn't get them: you were enforcing on us your opinion not to refute us in any way, but rather to save face. So you're right in the aspect you weren't contending anyone's opinion, but that's because you were way too busy defending the disgrace of an opinion you had (and still have) to even bother with ours.

And what you call "enforcing your opinions", I call "slapping the stupid out of you".

With enough mental gymnastics, anybody can assert that nothing can be impossible, only highly improbable, but what's the fucking point of that? Are we supposed to stop thinking and say "but there's always the chance..." and call it a day? NO!

Humanity cannot reach absolute knowledge as of now. We are imperfect beings that can only use subjective terms, so if you go by definition, everything is an opinion, even facts, since we already witnessed the evolution of facts throughout human history. But if mankind wants to obtain absolute knowledge or at least something very, very close to it, focus is vital, and logic/science provide such focus.

Tracing back to opinions and acknowledging the intrinsically subjective nature of them, opinions do not have the same strength, because their foundations are not the same. If you base your opinions on propositions that are within the focus of knowledge, naturally they'll be stronger than opinions based on propositions that were already left outside of it. That's why opinions can be right and wrong and your philosophy is full of shit.

That's because you're a giant pussy, no surprises there.

The same happens with discussions, you moron, because you still keep using the god-awful colloquial term of debate when everybody else is using the academic. Keep up with the program or gtfo!

What a pitiful bag of lies. Originality indeed is dependent on how much you know, because the odds of finding some intellectual territory unexplored is higher that way BUT you can have new, interesting concepts entirely based on logic.

Besides, what "new, interesting concepts" can come from Flat Earth Theory? Or creationism? Or fairy farts conducting planes instead of aerodynamics? I'd be more than happy to hear them.

Wow, you're stupid. You think that when the "file" is archived, we just throw the keys out to never open it again? Of course not, if suddenly God materializes for the whole world to see, I'm not going to be a moron and say "there's no such thing as a God!". No, I'll just open the archive, pull the file "I don't believe in God", switch it with "I believe in God" and send the former to the shredder.

That's what you should be doing, shredding files that not even baby Krishna cares about instead of hoarding them in pure fear of ever being wrong. It's okay to filter your information, that's what open-mindedness is all about: acknowledging, then processing, then having the information at hand in case it needs to be updated.

Surprise levels: -3. Of course right or wrong don't exist in your philosophy, because that'd entail the possibility of being wrong, something you're too much of a pussy to own up your mistakes.

Shut up with the hippie stuff, you maniac. No and Wrong are as good as tools as Yes and Right, because you cannot have one without the other. You can't be positive without the concept of negativism. You can't be an individual without the concept of a group. You are the one kidding yourself, pretending that if you don't care about the bad stuff it'll suddenly go away. No, there's only satiety with famine, there's only love with hatred, there's only peace with war, the moment one stops existing, the other stops making sense. No, wrong, famine, war, hatred are things we don't like, but that's how reality is and we have to live with it.

So come down from your Woodstock pedestal and open your eyes.

Yeah, that's why I have a fiction of my own, most guys you're arguing with have too, all with distinct, different themes. You really should measure your words before saying stupid things.

Also, resources and sex is what insures the survival of a species, now the growth of it is indeed insured by creativity, diversity AND LOGIC.

What's idgias? Even google couldn't solve that shit.

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ACt

I know you are, but what am I?

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Axiom

inb4 the I'm rubber you're glue defense.

Human Rasengan

YOu have a hippie type philosophy it seems this sums up your argument I think http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SipVy...eature=related

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for those of you who don't understand.. I'm coming from an illogical perspective so your logic won't fit my argument .. it'll only give you a headache.. remember ..belief doesn't require a co-signer There Is A Fine Line Between Genius And Insanity , I Have Erased This Line ! If I were you I'd hate me too.. I am the HUMAN RASENGAN!!!

The power of despair is great in you.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlzx4...&feature=share

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3qkz4WfOto

LOL I'M DYING BACK HERE

almightywood

I don't know what thread you have been reading, but I was asked to explain my viewpoint and I did. Explaining a personal viewpoint never requires outside documentation. And someone else producing outside documentation (even though it's from the internet and everything on the internet is suspect) doesn't change anything whatsoever about my viewpoint. So unsupported hogwash is a term that isn't even applicable to the point of this discussion.
Funny how people keep bringing up this very insignificant point that i have invalidated several times.
These subforums are the only forums on this entire site that have rules that state "no debates here"
I have come up with my philosophy over the last 25 years, not in five minutes unlike EVERY ONE of the responses to it. I never lay things out completely for anyone ever. (except the disable people that I take care of, they have a good excuse to need it) It's the same concept as giving a man a fish, or teaching him to fish. I put out the gist of it, and let interested parties work more out from there on their own. There's a reason there are so many tales with morals to them: Anything you learn because someone just told it to you ends up getting thrown by the wayside, but the things you figure out on your own stick with you.

I was and never will be trying to convince anyone of anything I have ever stated. I was merely stating what I believe, if you thought I was trying to convince you of it, well that just shows that you don't grasp what I am saying.


Derderder no opinion ever beats another opinion ever.


Once again, this is my thread, this DISCUSSION is about my words, my definitions are the ONLY ones that apply. Why don't you get with the program? Your lack of ability to comprehend words other than in your own words is why you are the biggest piece of shit on these forums. And (since you can't read) I didn't use the word discussion, I used the phrase "a discussion that is not a debate" and no, that never happens in a discussion that is not a debate, because at that point it would be a debate.

I didn't say shit about originality, I said diversity. Diversity is much more likely to exist with the less you know. If everyone knows the same shit, how fucking diverse could you be. Either way I never said anything was dependent upon the extent of your knowledge, so what the fuck are you even talking about you incapable of grasping an idea know-it-all?

I have no idea, you brought them up, therefore you are making a positive claim and I will ask you to produce documentation to support them, or admit you are wrong.

Who gives a fuck if you throw the keys out? it's archived and is therefore not readily accessible, you fucking dumbshit! You won't reconsider it when related topics come up, only the topic itself. One day, when you get out into the real world instead of the twisted inane version of reality that exists in these forums, you may begin to grasp that you don't know everything, until then, don't bother talking to me again until you are ready to admit you are an idiot. Because you will have nothing worthwhile to say until then.

Everytime I have ever been wrong on this forum I have admitted it. Something that has happened only rarely. Everytime you all have claimed I was wrong without actually addressing what I was saying, I told you to shove it.

No and wrong have the POTENTIAL to be good tools, but their overuse makes them purely bad, much like hdl cholesterol.

Why the fuck should I bother even telling you?
You would just come up with your own definition for it and ignore it anyway.

kael03

I thought you took your ball and went home? Why are you still trying to drive this argument (and it is an argument from the moment you started this bullshit thread)?

Btw, one opinion can defeat another, if the first opinion is sound logically and has actual backing to it. Therefore, our "opinions" beat the living fuck out of yours.

xxMESTxx

Almightywood, you mad?

Yeah, you mad. What happened, did the real world reject you too?

At this point, you're like the retarded little engine that could.

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almightywood

What a load of shit that is.
An opinion never beats another opinion, only facts do, and the only facts that can disprove it are ones that make it impossible.

You ever heard the expression there's more than one way to skin a cat?

You could make the statement that you think that blah is the best car ever and list stats to make it seem so, and anyone who is like-minded will ogle the stats and whole-heartedly agree. What makes it the best in your opinion could be anything from top speed to the quality of the interior.

Someone else may think another car is the best simply because of it's looks.

Just because you have access to a fucking catalog about your car, and the other person doesn't, doesn't in any way make the other person's opinion about the best car wrong, it only makes it different for both of you, and you a bit too obsessive.

So quit trying to tell me this lame-ass bs about an opinion disproving an opinion. It's impossible.