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Old 01-18-2012, 11:56 PM   #31
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I think we're going to see a shift to 5 major powers in part 2. Lets break them down individually.

Marines---While I agree the Marines lost a bit of it's power with Sengoku and Garp retiring, they also gained a huge power from all the Pacifistas being produced. In the Marineford battle, I counted at least 12 that took part. In the last 2 years there really is no way of knowing how many more have been produced. They may actually be stronger then ever.

Shichibukai---I predict they replaced all the missing spots so far. Don't know who, but I expect to see 7 lords of the sea again, and powerful ones at that. Maybe Buggy might be there for propaganda purposes, but that's the only exception.

Yonkou---I'm don't think much has changed. Big Mum is confirmed to still be around. I don't see Shanks going anywhere either. So all in all no changes

Dragon---It's about time for him to make his move. He's been patiently preparing his forces for years now. His little campaigns on this and that island were OK, but it's time to take advantage of the turmoil that's going on. Time to unite the revolutionary army in force, and make a stand.

SH's---Yep the 5th and final super power that's about to shake the world. They have come a long way, and are still developing. They will be the deciding factor that decides everything.




The way I see it, things are looking worse for the Pirates in general. Sure WB's death may have sent a flood of pirates to the New World, but in the end it may not have mattered. With the mass produced Pacifistas boosting the already strong Marine/Shichibukai alliance, even veteran pirate crews in the NW may have been taken out. Dragon realizing this, might see his chance of overturning the World Government slip away, and decide to intervene with his forces to even the odds.
Shichibukai is a farce, Moria got killed by Don Qui, the Snake Princess is like Ichigo a subtitute that fights against anyone against Luffy, Hawk Eye just trained Zoro for 2 years and he's gambling on eventually losing to Zoro, Kuma was under Dragons control for a while and set up the StrawHats to be even stronger in the future, they're locations they were sent weren't 'random' IMHO. Blackbeard left this group and is his own entity, only avoiding Shanks from what I've seen so far, and just wants to go do whatever he wants whenever he wants. New members will be uknown at least some of them, and according to Don they'res a leader higher than Sengoku that ordered Morias death, I dig it because he was irritating, with a piggy back devil fruit power and does little or nothing on his wacked assed vampire looking, out of shape ass. Sengoku never had control over them, he thought he did because they didn't go apeshit like Blackbeard.

Marines, i think 2 years is too quick for Toby to elevate to even Vice Admiral, Haki or not. Akainu was prolly the best, with Aokiji, but Sengoku wanted Aokiji to replace him. Akainu will die to Luffy's hands eventually running up on him taking him for small. Kizaru is nice, and its been shown that he has been promoted not that long ago in OP time, but less than the other 2. Marines power has always been sheer numbers IMHO, with devil fruit powers mixed randomly, some quite dumb. They'll keep raising bounties on pirates since WB started this new Era.

Yonku, I assumed was WB, Shanks, and didn't know the other 2, this Mum is one from what you guys say, but I don't think Shanks wants any kind of relationship with Blackbeard, so I'd doubt that he'd go along with his elevation of power.

Dragon, his moves will come much later IMHO, and Luffy will play a part unknowingly in the demise of the Gov't, who's hiding the secret past that Robins running up on.

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Buggy, since he got the Armlet from Luffy, shouldn't he have found the One Piece within 2 years?

Magellan, supposedly still lives, I never saw how Blackbeard and his crew escaped from the poison blast, before he turned Red and went apeshit. He's gonna want get back from the people that left his prison, especially the previous Warden Dude that joined Blackbeard.

and a note, though it rocked, if WB were smarter and left 2 ships underwater until later, brought out Oars later, and actually did a bit more than a lot of posing, Ace would still be alive, as well as himself. I know age and wounds got to him eventually, for many parts of the war he was only talking, watching, plotting, and going crazy with the Tremor Tremor techs from time to time. Not hating, as he stated 'Theres not a ship in the New World that could hold me', that I understand. He was a beast that shoulda killed more people, 1 on 1, he only killed one Marine Giant, Akainu was hurt but came back. Additionally didn't anyone from WB's crew know Kuma's shit was going to wreck Oars and shot some kind of weapon to make it explode before it was right on top of the Dude?

note... Rob Lucci was a fucking animal, he was the best opponent Luffy has faced, with the most ability outside of Magellan who was just hax'd out.
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Shichibukai is a farce, Moria got killed by Don Qui, the Snake Princess is like Ichigo a subtitute that fights against anyone against Luffy, Hawk Eye just trained Zoro for 2 years and he's gambling on eventually losing to Zoro, Kuma was under Dragons control for a while and set up the StrawHats to be even stronger in the future, they're locations they were sent weren't 'random' IMHO.
Moria isn't dead. He disappeared right before Doflamingo could deal the final blow. He isn't part of the Shichibukai anymore, he's in hidinging probably planing a counter attack either against Doflamingo personally or against the higher-ups of the World Government.

Boa Hancock isn't a substitute in anyway. She is still a legit Shichibukai, just doesn't follow the Marine orders completely. The same could be said about Mihawk though he'll only follow his most current tasks set for him and anything else that isn't included he ignores, which is why he didn't try to attack Shanks and his crew when they arrived on the scene of the battle on Marineford.

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Blackbeard left this group and is his own entity, only avoiding Shanks from what I've seen so far, and just wants to go do whatever he wants whenever he wants. New members will be uknown at least some of them, and according to Don they'res a leader higher than Sengoku that ordered Morias death, I dig it because he was irritating, with a piggy back devil fruit power and does little or nothing on his wacked assed vampire looking, out of shape ass. Sengoku never had control over them, he thought he did because they didn't go apeshit like Blackbeard.
Sengoku consented with Shanks demands because he has high respects for Shanks, like Whitebeard, and knew he didn't want to take on the Marines in their weakened state. Shanks is well aware of the balance of power and if they had taken over the Marines at that point choas would have enveloped the world making bad for either side. The only reason Sengoku fought against Whitebeard is to maintain his own orders. Ace was an outlaw that was captured, he was only following rules and he wasn't going to let another outlaw, Whitebeard, interfere with the procedures he needed to carry out as much as he probably didn't want to do it.

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Yonku, I assumed was WB, Shanks, and didn't know the other 2, this Mum is one from what you guys say, but I don't think Shanks wants any kind of relationship with Blackbeard, so I'd doubt that he'd go along with his elevation of power.
Well, in general, all Yonkou don't necessarily have an established relationship. He'll they don't talk to each other with the exception of Whitebeard and Shanks given that Shanks has known Whitebeard from back in the days he was an apprentice on Gol D. Roger's ship. Shanks has high respects for him as a pirate that helped create the Great Pirate Age. If the Yonkou do cross paths it usually ends up in battle. They just stick to their territories and do whatever the hell they want.

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Dragon, his moves will come much later IMHO, and Luffy will play a part unknowingly in the demise of the Gov't, who's hiding the secret past that Robins running up on.
I forgot to mention those guys and like Blackbeard they are another force that will cause an upset to reshape the government system but they haven't actually done anything except save several government oppressed islands. They are kinda on stand by so to speak. The government just keeps an eye on their movements.

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Buggy, since he got the Armlet from Luffy, shouldn't he have found the One Piece within 2 years?
The armlet Luffy gave him wasn't to locate One Piece. It was for a different treasure left by some other pirate.


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Magellan, supposedly still lives, I never saw how Blackbeard and his crew escaped from the poison blast, before he turned Red and went apeshit. He's gonna want get back from the people that left his prison, especially the previous Warden Dude that joined Blackbeard.
The second chief warden of Impel Down, Shiryu, is the one that helped them escape by bringing in an antidote to Magellan's poison they were engulfed in.

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and a note, though it rocked, if WB were smarter and left 2 ships underwater until later, brought out Oars later, and actually did a bit more than a lot of posing, Ace would still be alive, as well as himself. I know age and wounds got to him eventually, for many parts of the war he was only talking, watching, plotting, and going crazy with the Tremor Tremor techs from time to time. Not hating, as he stated 'Theres not a ship in the New World that could hold me', that I understand. He was a beast that shoulda killed more people, 1 on 1, he only killed one Marine Giant, Akainu was hurt but came back. Additionally didn't anyone from WB's crew know Kuma's shit was going to wreck Oars and shot some kind of weapon to make it explode before it was right on top of the Dude?
Whitebeard was a master strategist and he took into consideration every angle of attack but his challenge was Sengoku, another master strategist. Honestly, if it wasn't for Oars I don't think the Whitebeard pirates would have made it as far as they did nor would have the Impel Down crew that came with Luffy. He opened up the pathway that led to Ace. There was honestly nothing more that could have been done. They could have laid out the perfect plan but plans sometimes mean nothing in the heat of battle where variables constantly changed, subtracted or added to influence the battles. Whitebeard didn't predict that his own allie, Squardo, would stab him which was a ploy deceived by Akainu. The Marines were really powerful in this war and Whitebeard and his allies matched them in strength and they could've gotten away if it wasn't for Ace's need to standup for Whitebeard's name as it was being crapped on by Akainu. It kinda sucks to say but it was Ace's fault Whitebeard's faction "lost".

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note... Rob Lucci was a fucking animal, he was the best opponent Luffy has faced, with the most ability outside of Magellan who was just hax'd out.
I don't think Magellan was haxed, he was a logia user and there isn't much you can do against those guys unless you know haki. Same thing could be said about Ace, Smoker, Akainu, Kizaru, Aokiji, and so on...
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He is a paramecia not a logia. And luffy did hurt him with his final jet pistols, but at the point there was too much poison in his system.
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He is a paramecia not a logia. And luffy did hurt him with his final jet pistols, but at the point there was too much poison in his system.
You're right and I knew this before but since Magellan hasn't been in the picture for a while I guess it slipped my mind.
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what do you guys think of Magellan being ashed to be a Shichibukai the guys really strong, took on a bunch of strong guy and lived....
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what do you guys think of Magellan being ashed to be a Shichibukai the guys really strong, took on a bunch of strong guy and lived....
Ideally that would be very good but then there wouldn't be anyone to manage Impel Down unless Hannyabal has powered up and deemed himself worthy of the task.
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what do you guys think of Magellan being ashed to be a Shichibukai the guys really strong, took on a bunch of strong guy and lived....
I would say he's needed more where he is currently. With the tidal wave of pirates that let loose after WB's death, things have to be absolute chaos on the grandline. The number of pirates that are being caught on a regular basis, probably has Impel Down packed to the brim. So you kinda need Magellan there to handle business. The only reasons I see him not being there are if:

A) Things are even more hectic in the Grandline/NW, than Impel down.

B) A group of Pacifitas have been sent to handle the prisoners, which would mean his presence is no longer necessary to keep people in line.

C) He was the type of person that kept detailed knowledge about all the prisoners he kept locked up, so the "higher ups" assign him to lead a special task force to hunt down all those "Level 5" guys that broke out with Blackbeard. Considering he was about to commit suicide over his failure to prevent the breakout, I could see him doing this as a kind of self-redemption.

D) Akainu has implemented a kill-on-sight order for all pirates, and so Impel down no longer exists to hold prisoners anymore.
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Re: The New Balance of Power in One Piece

Don't forget Coby, he prob has been training for 2 years, i'm gonna assume he's a vice-admiral. Oda has been building him up as a very important char. for the future, although i wonder knowing Akainu is fleet admiral, what will he do with Coby ?

Coby made a fool of Akainu with that speech, so that's gonna be interesting.
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That is way too big a jump in ranks. Coby was below Tashigi pre-TS rank wise ( petty officer ), even with Garp training him it would be silly for him to jump to the same rank as Smoker, Momonga and the others.
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That I agree with. He is a sensible Marine, tough on pirates but still has common sense and a heart. He is the exact opposite of Akainu who shows 0 mercy even to civilians depending on the situation.
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But he awakened Haki, vice-admiral might be indeed too far but in 2 years a lot of stuff can change. And will he have a devil-fruit ? if so maybe he will have the water logia.
And Kong must be a Zoan-type, that is just a given
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I just don't see Coby with a DF power. As for his rank, it will likely be commander, which still puts him one rank below Tagashi. It would make sense to me that those two would gain rank at about the same pace, seeing as Garps training can't possibly have greater results than Tagshi's battling pirate in the NW.

For anyone that cares, that Helmeppo kid will likely be a lieutenant commander since he's always been one step behind Coby the whole time.
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Re: The New Balance of Power in One Piece

We're talking about Garp here and Coby is gonna play a bigger rol then Tagashi, that's how it's been built up untill now. And Coby already has Haki for 2 years, Tagashi prob well most likely not.
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I just don't see Coby with a DF power. As for his rank, it will likely be commander, which still puts him one rank below Tagashi. It would make sense to me that those two would gain rank at about the same pace, seeing as Garps training can't possibly have greater results than Tagshi's battling pirate in the NW.

For anyone that cares, that Helmeppo kid will likely be a lieutenant commander since he's always been one step behind Coby the whole time.
Coby will be destined to be the new hero of the Marines following Garps and Sengoku's footsteps. I also don't see him with a DF ability, he's fine the way he is. It's not the DF that makes the person but how you use it. Just look at people like Garp, Shanks, and Zoro, all amazing people with no DF ability and Shanks is a Yonkou to boot.

Helmeppo...I hope he loses those stupid glasses, other than that I'm interested how he has evolved these past two years.
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