Megaupload Shut down by FBI - Page 2

**Mal** · 01-21-2012, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SirBenoit

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/megaupl...106-slideshow/

nice house

I don't care about his house, I wouldn't mind a few of his cars though.

manta · 01-22-2012, 09:58 AM

I love how the news media try to vilify him on the plates "EVIL" and "The God" like its bad, come on that's some cool shit, every christian would like to have "GOD" on their license plate.

Spiegel · 01-23-2012, 11:19 AM

Seems that in light of everything going on with Megaupload other file sharing sites have been affected by this and have started to massively deleting files and accounts, ipbanning entire countries (specifically the U.S.), and shutting down various features like hotlinking. Upload.to has blocked U.S. ips, Filesonic have now disabled their functions and limited to only uploading and retrieving your own crap. Fileserve has deleted a shit load of accounts and files.

**Miburo** · 01-23-2012, 02:05 PM

America, Fuck Yeah!

Oh, wait. I meant Yeah, Fuck America.

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Originally Posted by Mal

Mentioning the Occupy movement right after "...fucking with our liberties..." kind of made me laugh, because everyone involved in the Occupy movement wants to fuck with the liberties of the 1%.

Explain.

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Police brutality is nothing in the States. Ooooohhhh, some people got pepper sprayed or beaten, that's totally as bad as the thousands dead at the hands of the Russian-backed Syrian military.

Oooohhhh, that bad thing isn't as bad as a worse bad thing. What's the point of even saying something like this, really?

Ooooohhh, thousands dead at the hands of the Russian-backed Syrian military is nothing compared to the Holocaust.

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All the legislation you mentioned was most likely done with good intentions but poor methods.

No. Like SOPA. The intention there was to take away freedom from the people of the country to preserve archaic business practices of corporations that just so happen to fund lobbies that provide campaign funds for some of the politicians that would be voting for the bill.

Or, if you want to look at it in a more optimistic light, the bill aimed to take freedoms away from the american people to fix something that cannot even be shown to be harmful or wrong. A point I am extremely confident I can debate successfully should anyone disagree with that last part.

Not that it even matters what the fuck their intentions were. What they're trying to do is horrible and wrong. Police brutality is bad, even if some other things are worse. Etc.

**Mal** · 01-23-2012, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Miburo

Explain.

In a Capitalist system, one of your liberties is to utilize the market in whatever way you wish in order to make a profit. I'm not saying it's a good liberty, and I certainly do not condone such an unregulated system, but that's how it is in the US right now and that's how the Tea Party wants to keep it. They view it as an infringement of their rights and freedoms to have their system regulated and their high incomes highly taxed.

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Originally Posted by Miburo

Oooohhhh, that bad thing isn't as bad as a worse bad thing. What's the point of even saying something like this, really?

Ooooohhh, thousands dead at the hands of the Russian-backed Syrian military is nothing compared to the Holocaust.

I'm not saying the police brutality in the US is literally "nothing" and should be ignored, I'm saying that I think most US citizens are trying to make it seem worse than it is in an "oh woe are we, look at how bad we have it" kind of way. It just seems ignorant and disrespectful to those who are losing their lives.

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Originally Posted by Miburo

No. Like SOPA. The intention there was to take away freedom from the people of the country to preserve archaic business practices of corporations that just so happen to fund lobbies that provide campaign funds for some of the politicians that would be voting for the bill.

Or, if you want to look at it in a more optimistic light, the bill aimed to take freedoms away from the american people to fix something that cannot even be shown to be harmful or wrong. A point I am extremely confident I can debate successfully should anyone disagree with that last part.

Not that it even matters what the fuck their intentions were. What they're trying to do is horrible and wrong. Police brutality is bad, even if some other things are worse. Etc.

The good intention such legislation is done with is "protecting the intellectual property and resultant income of the media producers." I believe that the supporters of SOPA and other such bills legitimately believe that they are on the side of good, fighting against the vile pirates and thieves of the internet.

They view it similarly to 17th and 18th century piracy, in which they are Spain and their shipments of gold are being attacked by "seadogs" (pirates) who are unofficially supported by England. This is obviously not the case though, as I also believe digital piracy in the form of sharing does no noticeable damage to their revenue.

However, as wrong as they may be, that does not mean they do not think they are doing the right thing.

ACt · 01-23-2012, 10:27 PM

I remember when Napster went down. Everyone said "that's that, no more downloading."

It won't stop until the governments control all the computers. Good luck with that.

**Miburo** · 01-23-2012, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mal

In a Capitalist system, one of your liberties is to utilize the market in whatever way you wish in order to make a profit. I'm not saying it's a good liberty, and I certainly do not condone such an unregulated system, but that's how it is in the US right now and that's how the Tea Party wants to keep it. They view it as an infringement of their rights and freedoms to have their system regulated and their high incomes highly taxed.

Not sure how this has anything to do with explaining the statement of "everyone involved in the Occupy movement wants to fuck with the liberties of the 1%."

Honestly, I can't see any way to justify that statement though...

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I'm not saying the police brutality in the US is literally "nothing" and should be ignored, I'm saying that I think most US citizens are trying to make it seem worse than it is in an "oh woe are we, look at how bad we have it" kind of way. It just seems ignorant and disrespectful to those who are losing their lives.

Again, what is the point of saying that at all? Not that you even said that. You definitely trivialized police brutality. But even if what you're saying now is what you meant, no one at all said anything even close to what you're implying now. The guy above you who mentioned police brutality certainly didn't say it in such a way to make it seem like it's worse than thousands of people losing their lives. You can't just make things up, like saying "Oh, everyone is acting like it's the worst thing ever", to justify blatantly incentive statements.

Not even trying to be a dick. But come on, man. = (

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The good intention such legislation is done with is "protecting the intellectual property and resultant income of the media producers." I believe that the supporters of SOPA and other such bills legitimately believe that they are on the side of good, fighting against the vile pirates and thieves of the internet.

They view it similarly to 17th and 18th century piracy, in which they are Spain and their shipments of gold are being attacked by "seadogs" (pirates) who are unofficially supported by England. This is obviously not the case though, as I also believe digital piracy in the form of sharing does no noticeable damage to their revenue.

However, as wrong as they may be, that does not mean they do not think they are doing the right thing.

I honestly don't. If I wanted to do the right thing I'd actually research the shit I'm trying to pass. Especially if I could be potentially dicking citizens out of freedom. But I guess it's a pointless thing to discuss considering we don't know whether dumbshit incompetent politicians are doing shit because they're idiots that mean well or scumbags who care more about campaign funds than the people they're suppose to represent. Either way, incredibly stupid or just scummy, it's not good.

OG · 01-23-2012, 11:46 PM

SOPA and PIPA boils down to the rich wanting to be richer, piratez are taking away their money? really? oh i guess those few millions they got isn't enough.

**Mal** · 01-24-2012, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Miburo

Not sure how this has anything to do with explaining the statement of "everyone involved in the Occupy movement wants to fuck with the liberties of the 1%."

Honestly, I can't see any way to justify that statement though...

The comic wasn't part of my argument, it was just funny and related.

"The protesters say they want, in part, more and better jobs, more equal distribution of income, bank reform, and a reduction of the influence of corporations on politics." Every one of those demands could be considered an attack on the liberties of the 1% because they would be able to run their business and utilize their funds not as they wanted, but as the government permitted.

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Originally Posted by Miburo

Again, what is the point of saying that at all? Not that you even said that. You definitely trivialized police brutality. But even if what you're saying now is what you meant, no one at all said anything even close to what you're implying now. The guy above you who mentioned police brutality certainly didn't say it in such a way to make it seem like it's worse than thousands of people losing their lives. You can't just make things up, like saying "Oh, everyone is acting like it's the worst thing ever", to justify blatantly incentive statements.

Not even trying to be a dick. But come on, man. = (

Re-reading it, I did really jumped to my own conclusions on that one, but I do still think that many people have a mindset of "FREEDOM good, police brutality bad, but those Muslims are uncivilized and a few hundred deaths are expected, so that's okay." I have heard a few people inadvertently express such thoughts, and that kind of ignorance particularly irks me.

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Originally Posted by Miburo

I honestly don't. If I wanted to do the right thing I'd actually research the shit I'm trying to pass. Especially if I could be potentially dicking citizens out of freedom. But I guess it's a pointless thing to discuss considering we don't know whether dumbshit incompetent politicians are doing shit because they're idiots that mean well or scumbags who care more about campaign funds than the people they're suppose to represent. Either way, incredibly stupid or just scummy, it's not good.

True enough, no sense discussing assumptions.

**Miburo** · 01-24-2012, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mal

The comic wasn't part of my argument, it was just funny and related.

"The protesters say they want, in part, more and better jobs, more equal distribution of income, bank reform, and a reduction of the influence of corporations on politics." Every one of those demands could be considered an attack on the liberties of the 1% because they would be able to run their business and utilize their funds not as they wanted, but as the government permitted.

The only way one could consider that quote a statement meaning that everyone involved in the Occupy movement wants to fuck with the liberties of the 1% is by looking at things through a very biased lens while doing some pretty impressive mental gymnastics. By that same logic of "able to run their businesses and utilize their funds not as as they wanted, but as the government permitted" you could say anyone wanting any regulations for businesses and any taxes on them are people that wish to "fuck with liberties."

The only way to not fuck with liberties would be zero regulations and taxes. Which would be horrible and only horrible people would support such a thing. It makes no sense to single out the Occupy movement on that when it actually applies to any half-way intelligent rational person. I assumed when you said that you didn't mean it to come out as some sort of compliment, even though as you're explaining it now it certainly doesn't seem like a bad thing at all. Kinda confusing.

Edit: Oh wait. I see now where you might have been trying to go with the tea party paragraph response to my "explain." What I don't see is how that response fits the original statement of yours that I quoted...unless you were trying to do a satire mocking of the tea-party sort of poe thinger or some shit there and didn't mean it. If not, then the only way it makes sense is that you are saying you agree with the tea parties stance. Which I refuse to believe, so I'm going to pretend you were doing some hardcore subtle satire there in the "Occupy fuck with freedom" statement.

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Re-reading it, I did really jumped to my own conclusions on that one, but I do still think that many people have a mindset of "FREEDOM good, police brutality bad, but those Muslims are uncivilized and a few hundred deaths are expected, so that's okay." I have heard a few people inadvertently express such thoughts, and that kind of ignorance particularly irks me.

I dunno. I guess it wouldn't surprise me that there are horrible people like that. But I personally can't say I've ever seen anyone trivializing thousands of deaths while acting like police brutality is something way worse. Usually the people that don't see a problem with mass murder don't give too much of a fuck about police brutality against non-violent protesters. Or the suffering of people in general most of the time. I'm talking about republicans, of course.

**Mal** · 01-24-2012, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Miburo

The only way one could consider that quote a statement meaning that everyone involved in the Occupy movement wants to fuck with the liberties of the 1% is by looking at things through a very biased lens while doing some pretty impressive mental gymnastics. By that same logic of "able to run their businesses and utilize their funds not as as they wanted, but as the government permitted" you could say anyone wanting any regulations for businesses and any taxes on them are people that wish to "fuck with liberties."

The only way to not fuck with liberties would be zero regulations and taxes. Which would be horrible and only horrible people would support such a thing. It makes no sense to single out the Occupy movement on that when it actually applies to any half-way intelligent rational person. I assumed when you said that you didn't mean it to come out as some sort of compliment, even though as you're explaining it now it certainly doesn't seem like a bad thing at all. Kinda confusing.

Edit: Oh wait. I see now where you might have been trying to go with the tea party paragraph response to my "explain." What I don't see is how that response fits the original statement of yours that I quoted...unless you were trying to do a satire mocking of the tea-party sort of poe thinger or some shit there and didn't mean it. If not, then the only way it makes sense is that you are saying you agree with the tea parties stance. Which I refuse to believe, so I'm going to pretend you were doing some hardcore subtle satire there in the "Occupy fuck with freedom" statement.

Yeah, that's pretty much it. I in no way meant to support the idea of an unregulated system, I was just pointing out that some people (Tea Party-ers) could consider the demands of the Occupy movement to infringe on their distorted idea of freedom. I personally consider a regulated system to offer more freedom than an unregulated one; the role of government should be to ensure freedom for all, not just those who can afford it.

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Originally Posted by Miburo

I dunno. I guess it wouldn't surprise me that there are horrible people like that. But I personally can't say I've ever seen anyone trivializing thousands of deaths while acting like police brutality is something way worse. Usually the people that don't see a problem with mass murder don't give too much of a fuck about police brutality against non-violent protesters. Or the suffering of people in general most of the time. I'm talking about republicans, of course.

It's not as overt as that, and I guess people normally put more weight on events closer to home so it could even be unintentional.

Marlboro · 01-26-2012, 04:06 PM

I admit, I was surprised when I saw the site shut down. It was one of my favorite download/upload sites. You know, ignoring the 42 sec waiting time.

stubborn_d0nkey · 02-06-2012, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Marlboro

I admit, I was surprised when I saw the site shut down. It was one of my favorite download/upload sites. You know, ignoring the 42 sec waiting time.

No captcha was great so it was good for downloading seasons, just add a bunch of links to your downloader of choice and let it roll

Darth-Nero · 02-07-2012, 08:15 PM

Ok question..in law school 1st thing we learn is that laws does not apply retroactively unless it benefits the defendant, so how can 7 people get arrested and charged with internet piracy as a criminal offence while piracy wasn't a crime before the activation of SOPA law?

Am quite unfamiliar with the "copyright infringement" laws in the US, but if it's already a crime then why arrest people only after SOPA? did SOPA turned the copyrights infringement from a civil crime to a criminal one? I know that am probably missing/forgetting something really simple that will clarify my questionings but i can't put my hand on it.

**Miburo** · 02-07-2012, 08:41 PM

SOPA didn't pass...yet. I haven't looked into it beyond checking wikipedia, but I assume it's just copyright shit. I guess they didn't try hard enough to take down copyright infringing shit. And/or other ridiculous unjust bullshit like that.

01-22-2012, 09:58 AM	#17
manta No Leaf Clover Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tropic Age: 26 Posts: 411 Thanks: 1,017 Thanked 1,357 Times in 703 Posts	Re: Megaupload Shut down by FBI I love how the news media try to vilify him on the plates "EVIL" and "The God" like its bad, come on that's some cool shit, every christian would like to have "GOD" on their license plate. __________________

01-23-2012, 11:19 AM	#18
Spiegel Pirate King Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Grand Line (New World) Age: 25 Posts: 4,906 Thanks: 1,075 Thanked 1,607 Times in 848 Posts	Re: Megaupload Shut down by FBI Seems that in light of everything going on with Megaupload other file sharing sites have been affected by this and have started to massively deleting files and accounts, ipbanning entire countries (specifically the U.S.), and shutting down various features like hotlinking. Upload.to has blocked U.S. ips, Filesonic have now disabled their functions and limited to only uploading and retrieving your own crap. Fileserve has deleted a shit load of accounts and files. __________________ "Inherited will, the destiny of the age, and the dreams of its people. These are things that will not be stopped. As long as people continue to pursue the meaning of freedom, these things will never cease to be!" -Gol D. Roger Ex-Kakashi87

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ACt Heart Wizard Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Halls of Irreverence Posts: 3,257 Thanks: 5,326 Thanked 18,707 Times in 4,853 Posts	Re: Megaupload Shut down by FBI I remember when Napster went down. Everyone said "that's that, no more downloading." It won't stop until the governments control all the computers. Good luck with that. __________________ It's amazing to me that, unlike in the real world, people on the internet will wear "everyone thinks I'm a moron" as a badge of honour.

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OG [잊지 말아요] Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 25 Posts: 7,624 Thanks: 2,234 Thanked 4,188 Times in 1,817 Posts	Re: Megaupload Shut down by FBI SOPA and PIPA boils down to the rich wanting to be richer, piratez are taking away their money? really? oh i guess those few millions they got isn't enough. Last edited by OG; 01-23-2012 at 11:48 PM.

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Marlboro Drop The World <3 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: N/A Age: 22 Posts: 1,207 Thanks: 2,799 Thanked 1,121 Times in 669 Posts	Re: Megaupload Shut down by FBI I admit, I was surprised when I saw the site shut down. It was one of my favorite download/upload sites. You know, ignoring the 42 sec waiting time.

02-07-2012, 08:15 PM	#29
Darth-Nero Victory! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Egypt Age: 25 Posts: 171 Thanks: 2,560 Thanked 1,636 Times in 656 Posts	Re: Megaupload Shut down by FBI Ok question..in law school 1st thing we learn is that laws does not apply retroactively unless it benefits the defendant, so how can 7 people get arrested and charged with internet piracy as a criminal offence while piracy wasn't a crime before the activation of SOPA law? Am quite unfamiliar with the "copyright infringement" laws in the US, but if it's already a crime then why arrest people only after SOPA? did SOPA turned the copyrights infringement from a civil crime to a criminal one? I know that am probably missing/forgetting something really simple that will clarify my questionings but i can't put my hand on it.

02-07-2012, 08:41 PM	#30
Miburo Deos Fortioribus Adesse Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Valhalla Posts: 3,543 Thanks: 34,417 Thanked 17,643 Times in 5,442 Posts	Re: Megaupload Shut down by FBI SOPA didn't pass...yet. I haven't looked into it beyond checking wikipedia, but I assume it's just copyright shit. I guess they didn't try hard enough to take down copyright infringing shit. And/or other ridiculous unjust bullshit like that.

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