almightywood

Get the fuck out of here. You really need to reread this whole thread if you think I'm BSing. You're egotistical since you assume you know anything better than anyone, but especially since you don't know what the hell you are talking about. To assume that everyone (must) look at things the same way is the height of stupidity. I guarantee that the majority of changes and breakthroughs that have happened in this world occurred thanks to efforts of people who didn't pay attention to the status quo, instead of backing it up like you all do.

As it stands I have NEVER been discussing anything in this thread with any of you fucking trolls. I have merely corrected minor misinterpretations, or improper dismissals. I have never even begun to have a discussion about anything here because I haven't been able to get rid of all the idiots in the thread first. (something I have stated over and over) Once I actually find someone with a brain and a bit of privacy, I will actually begin to have my first discussion on these forums. I surely won't be having one with people that twist facts and the laws of logic as much as you all do.

You're a fucking idiot. Probability didn't have shit to do with either of those things, so this is an entirely inapplicable statement. Seems like you might have some more interpretations to work out in your head, because you sure as fuck aren't addressing my statement with this random nonsense you posted.

ACt

Wrong. I have repeatedly made assertions that I do not know how everything is, but to derive the truth, I have to act upon what I know, what evidence is before me and what I consider to be the most likely (or most probable) explanation. That is what humans do. They don't sit around thinking "anything can happen" but rather "this is most likely the way it is that there is no point waiting for something else to happen."

Take gravity, as I have already brougth up. We don't have a complete understanding of how it works. Smart humans than us figured out some mathematical calculations about it so they could do things like fire a cannon ball and hit something. They thought they knew how it was. Then Einstein comes along, revamps it with new ideas and information. Yet we still don't know everything. Shall we take your worldview and expect one day things will fall up?

Good for you. Did you decide to not take a math related career because there was too much probability?

OK, so you just want us to astrisk everything for you. Allow me.

There is no god.*

*Note: There could be a god for the reasoning behind my statement is that I have encountered zero evidence that god exists and plenty of examples from science and society that humans can coexist happily without a great creator and so feel comfortable living my life on the understanding that god does not exist. However, there could one day be evidence for god and thus the possibility that it does exist is not 0%.

Wow, you're a douche. Do you not see the problem with what you are saying? Future evidence could prove a lot of things wrong but you just can't wait for that evidence. Progress would be terrible (in science, thinking, education, technology etc). I refute that you actually act this way in life. You take care of severely ill people - do you persist with the idea thath possibly none of them are actually sick but faking it so you have a job? I mean, it isn't a high probability, but it could be possible. I saw the Truman Show - perhaps that's you!

Proving many finite things wrong is easy - you provide evidence against them. No, it doesn't remove the possibility, but it shrinks it to the point we don't consider it likely and in the frame of lifespan, it makes it stupid to persist in that idea.

As for beliefs and ideas, we have repeated stated that are not free from scrutiny. We are allowed to say "we don't believe as you and believe you are wrong" and then provide our reasoning and evidence. When we do that, it is up to you to provide the basis for your believe rather than say "you can't be 100% certain I'm wrong." While we can't, we have good reasoning to be. I cannot waste my time on ideas that are highly unlikely, even if you think they are most likely. And if you are to have a discussion about your beliefs, just stating them and saying "don't tell me I'm wrong" isn't how it works. You are allowed to defend them, but if you don't, then you aren't about to be seen as correct. That you persist in this has us pushing harder to see if you'll actually come up with anything that resembles an adequate defense.

But by your own words, you don't think anything is more likely and to say otherwise would be saying someone is wrong.

What happens if he loses his mind? Is he still with himself? You can't even know that. Oh the possibilities!

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almightywood

As far as I'm concerned telling someone they are wrong is the same thing as saying you know everything about the subject at hand. So while I may have been exaggerating/generalizing a bit with the statement, I would say that with every topic that has been broached in here there happens to be several people, if not everyone in here, who thinks they know everything there is to know about it. Basically I think you all act like you're goddamn experts, and then come with something as weak as probability for proof, which makes you all worth ignoring.

You act like the word wrong is your get into other people's heads free card. When really it is just your 'I am a disrespectful sumbitch' fluorescent t-shirt.

This is a skewed example. Not knowing everything there is to know on a subject is fine. To say what we do know is fine as well. To operate under the assumption that what we do know also applies to what we don't is fine as well. The problem arises when we take what we do know and say it surely applies to what we don't. This is what I have a problem with you all doing. You all are turning it around into bringing up asinine BS that has already been disproven and acting like it applies to my statements when it doesn't. Any argument that involves probability or nit-picking isn't a real argument it's a musing too. I don't act like a musing is an argument because I'm not a moron.

Let's say you had a six sided die. On five of those sides there was a red mark, and on one there is a blue mark. You have a 16.266666% chance of rolling a blue, and an 83.7333% chance of rolling a red mark. The likelihood is that you will roll a red, but you only get to roll once, so it isn't proof that you will. Not at all as a matter of fact.



I have no problem with probability, I just have a problem with it being used as a tool in anything where there isn't a multitude of answers (which will all be correct) which includes any sort of discussion of history, science, most things. It's a fairly accurate tool of prediction when used in a large scale, it is never proof of anything. Actually I was going to college to be an electrical engineer, but got kicked out due to attendance reasons. They changed the attendance policy at my school from being more than 5 minutes late equaling being tardy to being more than 5 minutes late equaling being absent without any notification anywhere. My first class was lab which was a co-requisite for all my other classes so I showed up at school one day and was told I didn't go to school there anymore. I was a straight a student the previous semesters and while I was holding down a few bs this time around, it apparently didn't matter. This plus them claiming I owed them money because they had to send the student loans back while the government claimed they never got anything back pretty much prompted my vengeful side and I said 'none of you motherfuckers are getting shit', and maintained that stance until they managed to get the money through wage garnishments.



I never claimed that I ever operated under the assumption that the least likely of possibilities was in fact the truth, this is just your asinine interpretation of what I did say. My problem is that you all eliminate all but the most likely of possibilities, and act like you are doing the smart thing. To me this is the same thing as saying "I AM INFALLIBLE!!!!" Get out of here with that stupid shit.



If it doesn't remove the possibility then you would be providing supporting evidence for an opposing viewpoint, but you would not have provided any evidence against the original one.

Again it's your presentation. I have no wish to discuss the correctness of anything ever, since it is all subjective unless it is an absolute truth. I have had more than my fill of those types of discussions and never wish to have another. Do you have a right to say/ask anybody anything you want? Yes. If the person has told you in no uncertain terms that they dislike your approach and therefore no answers will be forthcoming and you persist for days on end with nary a sign of the other party budging, sooner or later you really just turn into the equivalent of a creepy stalker.

No, by my own words, saying someone is wrong because something is more likely is idiotic.



Oh he's definitely still with himself, he just doesn't realize it at that point.

Miburo

Oh, this must be one of those things where you change the definition of the word because you don't want to be proven wrong about anything, ever, right?

Because it sure is stupid to say "I claimed to not be claiming anything..." It's like saying "I sung that I never sing." You're not really that stupid, are you?

Not to mention that saying "Everyone BUT me in this thread claims to know everything about everything" IS a claim. Unless you're going to change the definition of the word "claim" to, well, basically the same definition it always had, except it never applies to you. Because special pleading has been sort of your M.O.

Not that it really matters, since that statement is wrong no matter if you be a dishonest scumbag and consider it a claim or not. You cannot provide a single quote of anyone in this thread claiming they know everything about everything. Because no one every said such a thing. It's just a bullshit strawman that you constructed because we've really done nothing to warrant being called morons by you. Not a single goddamn thing.

almightywood

Way to show up late to the party, I already addressed the parts of this worth addressing.
The rest of it is just nit-picking.

Miburo

I didn't see you address anything regarding the blatantly false claim of yours stating that everyone here, except you, claimed to know everything about everything.

That is a very specific claim that is completely 100% wrong. No one claimed that. Everyone except you in here definitely didn't claim that. That claim of yours is completely 100% wrong. Yet you still won't admit it. You're proving that you're just like multiple people have already said: That you are the most close-minded person in this thread; you refuse to even entertain the possibly that you could be wrong.

Everyone you're calling morons in here would definitely admit they were wrong if the claimed something like that. We wouldn't bullshit some lame excuse like you did in your response to ACt, or avoid the issue like you did in your response to me, or say 'whatever' and then insult the person with more baseless claims like you did with kael. The very least you could do is admit that statement was false. If you had any integrity you'd apologize for calling us morons based on that blatantly false statement too. But Odin knows that asking you to act with any kind of integrity in here is asking far too much.

almightywood

You need to learn to read a little better, I absolutely did address the statement that you posted. Not with some lame bs excuse, but an admission that it was an exaggeration/overgeneralization and quantification of what I meant by it.

If Kael ever actually came close to producing anything that he should have been able to by his claims then he wouldn't be ridiculed by me. As it stands the guy just can't even figure out where to begin in the discussion because it is so far outside of his venue (the rest of you almost begin to come close to working your way into the start of it, but not him).

I am not the one that claimed you all were morons. I pointed out that by the man I was quoting's statement, he was claiming you all were when compared to me, though he thought he was claiming the opposite.

Miburo

Except it wasn't 'a bit of an exaggeration/generalization.' It was flat out wrong. Why can't you just admit you were wrong about something?


In before more backpedaling bullshit because you being wrong about anything just isn't possible.

almightywood

If I was wrong I would admit it, but since I only exaggerated/overgeneralized, no such thing occurred. The use of the term every is by definition an exaggeration/overgeneralization if it isn't completely accurate, so no it wasn't "flat out wrong". I know you would love me to admit being wrong on some of the shit that I never was wrong about, but to act like I've never admitted a mistake is ridiculous, what the hell do you think I just did?






Way to almost make a point by addressing sentence fragments. Very convincing.

Miburo

So exaggerations and/or generalizations can't also be wrong? Oh wait, of course they can. Besides, it doesn't matter if you didn't literally mean everyone when it applied to no one. Not a single person made the claim you claimed everyone made.

But, hey, thanks for once again proving that you are, ironically enough, adamant in being close-minded by refusing to entertain the possibly that you could be wrong about anything.

Way to try to bullshit your way out of being blatantly wrong and dishonest, once again. I quoted what was relevant and, as anyone with the reading comprehension greater than that of a 3rd grader can see, the meaning doesn't change when viewing the entire sentence. You still are stating that you called everyone else morons. The reason is irrelevant. You were wrong. Again. Man up for once.

almightywood

Whatever, I said what I meant by them, your close-minded disregard of my intentions is assuredly not proof of the reverse being true.





The hell it doesn't you are just nit-picking, making it seem like I implied I know all and you all don't know jack. When in reality I called you idiots for impying that you do know it all, and I stated that we all know only jack. Taking it out of context only further exaggerated the misconception. What you are attempting to indicate here is just fun with words. Taking bits and pieces of what I say and presenting them in a skewed manner so that you can later come back with the original and proclaim triumph.

Uh-uh, not happening. If you really want to proclaim triumph quit pulling these stupid little tricks to drag me into your realm of conversation. Bite the bullet, man up, and come stepping into mine.
Ya can't beat me if you won't even play the same game as me.
Actually you know what, don't even bother, I know you couldn't resist bringing ulterior motives, just go find something you comprehend to entertain you.

ACt

Your game is stupid. You literally claim no one knows anything which means I could give any argument in the world and you'd say "no one knows anything so you can't be correct." It's like your own personal veto stamp to anything anywhere.

Well, I don't accept that or acknowledge it. Even a discussion on truth is pointless because you set up parameters that don't even allow for the truth to exist. At least, not in the knowable sense. We can't beat you because you've already beaten yourself, for by your own standards, you don't know anything and damned if anyone is going to tell you otherwise.

You don't even know when you're wrong. So take it for people who do no something: you're wrong. It's not as scary as you think.

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stubborn_d0nkey

Am I the only one that has almightywood on their ignore list?

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Miburo

The statement was false. You refuse to admit it. You refuse to acknowledge you are wrong. That's the point I'm making. You've demonstrated again and again that you won't admit to being wrong about anything. You refuse to even entertain the possibility that you could be wrong and that we could actually be the ones being rational and logical here.




You said you were not the one who claimed we were all morons. I produced a quote where you said you called us all morons. Nothing else matters in regards to you being the one calling us morons. That's what I was talking about. You busting out this red herring shit doesn't address that at all, and is yet another example of you failing to even entertain the possibility that you could be wrong even when presented with undeniable evidence demonstrating you are indeed wrong.

You know what, okay, I'll 'step into your realm':

Boom. I'm right about everything and cannot be wrong, ever. If you challenge my stance in any way then you're attacking my beliefs and are therefore auto-wrong, and a disrespectful douchebag. Which makes you a sub-human monster that I can threaten to kill and it's totally cool. Now either agree with me or you're a goddamn moron who thinks he knows everything about everything. Your move.

Miburo

I dunno, I just thought it was amusing that the dude saying we're all acting like we're infallible gods of knowledge or whatever is the only dude here who actually refuses to admit being wrong about anything.