Us government's trick to violate civil liberties - Page 36

kael03 · 02-08-2012, 04:08 PM

inb4 "You are a moron and twisting my words" response

almightywood · 02-08-2012, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Miburo

The statement was false. You refuse to admit it. You refuse to acknowledge you are wrong. That's the point I'm making. You've demonstrated again and again that you won't admit to being wrong about anything. You refuse to even entertain the possibility that you could be wrong and that we could actually be the ones being rational and logical here.

The statement wasn't in any way false. Your whole little argument here proves it. You are claiming my statement is false and ignoring my clarifications of the message I was conveying. The very fact that you are claiming I am wrong about what I was saying means that you are saying you know my words better than myself..... And you accuse me of being unable to admit that I am wrong.

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You said you were not the one who claimed we were all morons. I produced a quote where you said you called us all morons. Nothing else matters in regards to you being the one calling us morons. That's what I was talking about. You busting out this red herring shit doesn't address that at all, and is yet another example of you failing to even entertain the possibility that you could be wrong even when presented with undeniable evidence demonstrating you are indeed wrong.

You start off talking about one post and switch to another mid paragraph and act like I am the one who is being misleading and dishonest here.

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You know what, okay, I'll 'step into your realm':

Boom. I'm right about everything and cannot be wrong, ever. If you challenge my stance in any way then you're attacking my beliefs and are therefore auto-wrong, and a disrespectful douchebag. Which makes you a sub-human monster that I can threaten to kill and it's totally cool. Now either agree with me or you're a goddamn moron who thinks he knows everything about everything. Your move.

Well I suppose if you really did decide to venture in my realm, then that means you apologized to me for improperly calling me wrong repeatedly, and admitted your unwarranted disrespectfulness that caused you to falsely claim I was wrong. So, apology accepted, thank you very much.

ACt · 02-08-2012, 04:49 PM

When did we get to realms in this conversation? Can I have a realm? A few concubines and the ability to sentence people to death could come in handing... once I get people to enter my realm!!

There's chicken.

IT"S THE SAME FUCKING WORLD YOU DELUSIONAL MAN!!

**Mal** · 02-08-2012, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by almightywood

Get the fuck out of here. You really need to reread this whole thread if you think I'm BSing. You're egotistical since you assume you know anything better than anyone, but especially since you don't know what the hell you are talking about. To assume that everyone (must) look at things the same way is the height of stupidity. I guarantee that the majority of changes and breakthroughs that have happened in this world occurred thanks to efforts of people who didn't pay attention to the status quo, instead of backing it up like you all do.

As it stands I have NEVER been discussing anything in this thread with any of you fucking trolls. I have merely corrected minor misinterpretations, or improper dismissals. I have never even begun to have a discussion about anything here because I haven't been able to get rid of all the idiots in the thread first. (something I have stated over and over) Once I actually find someone with a brain and a bit of privacy, I will actually begin to have my first discussion on these forums. I surely won't be having one with people that twist facts and the laws of logic as much as you all do.

I don't assume I know anything better than anyone, I know I do. I'm certainly not claiming to know more than everyone else on Earth, but there are many people with whom my frequent interaction has shown that I am more knowledgeable. I am not claiming that everyone must look at things the same way, innovation obviously results from thinking outside the box; however not all ideas are equally legitimate. We do not twists facts, we follow the stringent guidelines to logical thought.

All ideas deserve consideration, and in this consideration they are to be tested either experimentally or logically. If an idea fails any such test, it should be disregarded. If an idea is offensive to current knowledge and passes such tests, current knowledge should be tested in the context of this new idea.

You expect us to consider your ideas, but you assume that because we don't agree with you that we are lying when we tell you that we have. Trust us, we have considered your ideas and they have failed basic logical tests; that is why we do not agree with you. All of this, and still you refuse to consider our ideas, making you by far the most closed minded and ignorant person I have ever met.

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Originally Posted by almightywood

You're a fucking idiot. Probability didn't have shit to do with either of those things, so this is an entirely inapplicable statement. Seems like you might have some more interpretations to work out in your head, because you sure as fuck aren't addressing my statement with this random nonsense you posted.

I'm sorry, that clearly separate paragraph had nothing to do with probability. Seems like you might have some reading comprehension to work on, because you surely cannot address my statement with this random nonsense you posted.

**Miburo** · 02-08-2012, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by almightywood

The statement wasn't in any way false. Your whole little argument here proves it. You are claiming my statement is false and ignoring my clarifications of the message I was conveying. The very fact that you are claiming I am wrong about what I was saying means that you are saying you know my words better than myself..... And you accuse me of being unable to admit that I am wrong.

Moar lyke there wasn't any way it wasn't wrong, amirite gaiz?

No, seriously. Your statement "Everyone in here except me claims to know everything about everything" is 100% false. Agree or disagree?

A)Agree.

B)Disagree.

A or B. Pick one. It's that fucking simple.

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You start off talking about one post and switch to another mid paragraph and act like I am the one who is being misleading and dishonest here.

Yes, you are the one being dishonest here.

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Well I suppose if you really did decide to venture in my realm, then that means you apologized to me for improperly calling me wrong repeatedly, and admitted your unwarranted disrespectfulness that caused you to falsely claim I was wrong. So, apology accepted, thank you very much.

Actually, it doesn't mean that. Like, at all. In any way. Just like if you made up some retarded board game and I said "Okay, I'll play your shitty game" doesn't mean I think it's the best game ever, or any similarly retarded ass-backward reasoning.

You are wrong about so much shit it's ridiculous, my disrespect for you is completely warranted, and I'll only apologize to you if you can demonstrate that I was in the wrong about anything. And I mean literally anything I've ever said, ever, on this forum. Which I'd bet anything you cannot do based on your extremely poor grasp of logic, and fucking reality itself.

But uh, yeah. If you're getting a bit bored in deluding yourself into believing your not a complete fucking imbecile, you want to talk about something else or something? I would say it's gotta be a chore to avoid tripping yourself up with all contradicting shit you say, but you really haven't been doing too great of a job avoiding catching yourself in your own web of bullshit. But still, surely there has to be some topic other than how dumb we are for thinking you're an idiot that you'd rather be discussing. Why don't we try starting over, eh buddy?

stubborn_d0nkey · 02-08-2012, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ACt

When did we get to realms in this conversation? Can I have a realm? A few concubines and the ability to sentence people to death could come in handing... once I get people to enter my realm!!

"Off with his head!"

Don't tell me I'm the only one who thought of this.

**Mal** · 02-08-2012, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by stubborn_d0nkey

"Off with his head!"

Don't tell me I'm the only one who thought of this.

Oh, no, I didn't. I instead immediately began considering situations in which I would use that authority.

stubborn_d0nkey · 02-08-2012, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mal

Oh, no, I didn't. I instead immediately began considering situations in which I would use that authority.

Yeah, I did the same. However, when I put myself in such a position that phrase popped into my head. It just seems like a fun way to condemn somebody to death.

ACt · 02-08-2012, 08:45 PM

It occured to me as well... because what point is being King if you can't just abuse power, eh? (But don't worry... you'd half to enter my realm to be at risk.)

almightywood · 02-09-2012, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mal

I don't assume I know anything better than anyone, I know I do. I'm certainly not claiming to know more than everyone else on Earth, but there are many people with whom my frequent interaction has shown that I am more knowledgeable. I am not claiming that everyone must look at things the same way, innovation obviously results from thinking outside the box; however not all ideas are equally legitimate. We do not twists facts, we follow the stringent guidelines to logical thought.

All ideas deserve consideration, and in this consideration they are to be tested either experimentally or logically. If an idea fails any such test, it should be disregarded. If an idea is offensive to current knowledge and passes such tests, current knowledge should be tested in the context of this new idea.

You expect us to consider your ideas, but you assume that because we don't agree with you that we are lying when we tell you that we have. Trust us, we have considered your ideas and they have failed basic logical tests; that is why we do not agree with you. All of this, and still you refuse to consider our ideas, making you by far the most closed minded and ignorant person I have ever met.

This would be true if I ever actually had been debating any of this with you, but since you don't know half of my philosophy (since I won't tell it to you), and I stated from the getgo that it wasn't up for debate, That makes you all assumptive and rude, not me close-minded. I have stated more than once that I believe the consideration of the validity of possibilities a private thing. You all were off-topic.

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I'm sorry, that clearly separate paragraph had nothing to do with probability. Seems like you might have some reading comprehension to work on, because you surely cannot address my statement with this random nonsense you posted.

My point was that it didn't include probability: when my problem with your elimination of possibilities was that you use probability to do it. Maybe YOU should work on your reading comprehension.

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Originally Posted by Miburo

Moar lyke there wasn't any way it wasn't wrong, amirite gaiz?

No, seriously. Your statement "Everyone in here except me claims to know everything about everything" is 100% false. Agree or disagree?

A)Agree.

B)Disagree.

A or B. Pick one. It's that fucking simple.

The statement has been amended, it is no longer on the table, keep up.

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Yes, you are the one being dishonest here.

Well, at least I'm not alone then(though I wouldn't exactly call it good company).

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Actually, it doesn't mean that. Like, at all. In any way. Just like if you made up some retarded board game and I said "Okay, I'll play your shitty game" doesn't mean I think it's the best game ever, or any similarly retarded ass-backward reasoning.

Whatever man, I told you to come over to my type of discussion, and said that if you really want to beat me in this discussion it will only happen if you follow MY RULES. You turned into some retarded thing about a realm based on my philosophy. Well since I now have realm and you came to join me. If it's my realm, it's my rules, you did what I said you did. or you never got your foot in the door.

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You are wrong about so much shit it's ridiculous, my disrespect for you is completely warranted, and I'll only apologize to you if you can demonstrate that I was in the wrong about anything. And I mean literally anything I've ever said, ever, on this forum. Which I'd bet anything you cannot do based on your extremely poor grasp of logic, and fucking reality itself.

I am wrong about nothing I have stated here in this thread, I may have occasionally exaggerated or the like, but that's not the same as being wrong. Since your disrespect came about long before anything I attempted to use to stop it, yes it is completely unwarranted. You are the one who came into my discussion and tried to play by his own rules, not the reverse, so I'm definitely not the one who is twisted here.

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But uh, yeah. If you're getting a bit bored in deluding yourself into believing your not a complete fucking imbecile, you want to talk about something else or something? I would say it's gotta be a chore to avoid tripping yourself up with all contradicting shit you say, but you really haven't been doing too great of a job avoiding catching yourself in your own web of bullshit. But still, surely there has to be some topic other than how dumb we are for thinking you're an idiot that you'd rather be discussing. Why don't we try starting over, eh buddy?

Look man, I just don't want to talk to you. I want you to gtfo and leave me alone. I resorted to doing nothing but insulting you for a while, but you still can't take the hint. I will say and do whatever I have to to get you to shut the fuck up and leave, that doesn't include debating you or anyone else on anything. You want me to admit that I am wrong?

Fine, according to the underinformed skewed viewpoint you all seem to hold that is all that is necessary to be right by the asinine rules set up in this forum, I am wrong. You have your ball, now go home.

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Originally Posted by ACt

When did we get to realms in this conversation? Can I have a realm? A few concubines and the ability to sentence people to death could come in handing... once I get people to enter my realm!!

There's chicken.
IT"S THE SAME FUCKING WORLD YOU DELUSIONAL MAN!!

Miburo's the one who started handing out realms (first thing I did in mine was kick him out for breaking the rules basically), I just told him to come over to my style of discussion if he wanted to beat me.

So you may wish to apologize to Miburo for calling him delusional, Idk, Idc.

ACt · 02-09-2012, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by almightywood

Miburo's the one who started handing out realms (first thing I did in mine was kick him out for breaking the rules basically), I just told him to come over to my style of discussion if he wanted to beat me.

So you may wish to apologize to Miburo for calling him delusional, Idk, Idc.

Really? Because the first incidenct I'm reading is you refuting him by calling him to "step into my realm; you can't beat me unless you play my game" type of thing, which was silly because we're all playing the same game, in the same world but some people like to make up rules as the go along.

But hey, I can re read it when I have time and perhaps it is Miburo who brought it up... the joke could still stand, though, so I doesn't mean I'll apologize outright. Don't misunderstand: I like Miburo as an internet personality, but if he says something dumb, like you often do, I'd still make fun of him.

almightywood · 02-09-2012, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ACt

Really? Because the first incidenct I'm reading is you refuting him by calling him to "step into my realm; you can't beat me unless you play my game" type of thing, which was silly because we're all playing the same game, in the same world but some people like to make up rules as the go along.

But hey, I can re read it when I have time and perhaps it is Miburo who brought it up... the joke could still stand, though, so I doesn't mean I'll apologize outright. Don't misunderstand: I like Miburo as an internet personality, but if he says something dumb, like you often do, I'd still make fun of him.

You mean the first incident you were reading was me saying to step into my realm of conversation which HE CHANGED to just realm. By my wording it was figuratively figurative, by his it was figuratively literal, try not to get them confused please.

My point was it was my discussion, I set the groundrules, How commonly practiced they are doesn't change that fact at all. So no, we're not playing the same game, and never have been. The rules were made up before you all came into the discussion, you just decided to act like you knew them when you came in the door instead of doing the proper thing and asking what they were. I have elaborated enough on what the rules are that you all should be able follow them by now, yet you still all foolishly insist on your own version of the rules over mine in my discussion, and STILL think that you keep proving me wrong. I am totally justified in every time I have called any one of you an idiot or a moron for carrying on the way you do.

Instead you try and use the rules to break the rules. My justice system is set up like the US's was initially - where the letter of the law isn't important, it is the spirit of the law that is. Unfortunately this country got corrupted in the last 100 years, but my justice system is still uncorrupt.

ACt · 02-09-2012, 09:41 AM

See, even the idea of a "realm of discussion" seems hilariously pompous and arrogant to me. It's like there is this special zone with rules and regulations and a supreme ruler who dictates how things shall be and what is or is not permissible.

Well, son, someone should introduce you to the internet. There is no such place here. Hell, if you tried that on me in a face to face conversation I'd still laugh and call you a fool. Stick to your guns all you want, they aren't getting you anywhere here.

Also, not an expert on law, but what the hell is this spirit of the law shit being more important than the letter of the law? Somethings sounds horribly off with that.

kael03 · 02-09-2012, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by almightywood

Instead you try and use the rules to break the rules. My justice system is set up like the US's was initially - where the letter of the law isn't important, it is the spirit of the law that is.

lolwut? That is crap. The justice system for US when it was first formed was based on laws that happened over in Europe, which were based on common law. The founding fathers went by the letter of the laws that they felt the US needed to separate from England.

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Unfortunately this country got corrupted in the last 100 years, but my justice system is still uncorrupt.

I'll agree with the first part, but the second part of this statement is crap. Your "justice system" appears to be designed in a way that makes you the victim, or allows you to escape any kind of wrong doing. That is more corrupt that celebrities getting lighter sentences or federal prisons that are more like resorts than actual prisons.

almightywood · 02-09-2012, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by kael03

lolwut? That is crap. The justice system for US when it was first formed was based on laws that happened over in Europe, which were based on common law. The founding fathers went by the letter of the laws that they felt the US needed to separate from England.

Any sovereign citizen is supposed to have the right to a grand jury trial, in which not only whether or not the person was guilty of the law, but whether or not the law itself should apply were both up for trial.

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I'll agree with the first part, but the second part of this statement is crap. Your "justice system" appears to be designed in a way that makes you the victim, or allows you to escape any kind of wrong doing. That is more corrupt that celebrities getting lighter sentences or federal prisons that are more like resorts than actual prisons.

Whatever, now you are saying self defense clauses exist only in a corrupt justice system. You all have always been the aggressors here, don't try and kid yourselves.

02-08-2012, 04:08 PM	#526
kael03 Aspiring Physicist Join Date: May 2010 Age: 27 Posts: 4,607 Thanks: 4,861 Thanked 8,547 Times in 3,789 Posts	Re: Us government's trick to violate civil liberties inb4 "You are a moron and twisting my words" response

02-08-2012, 04:49 PM	#528
ACt Heart Wizard Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Halls of Irreverence Posts: 3,257 Thanks: 5,327 Thanked 18,707 Times in 4,853 Posts	Re: Us government's trick to violate civil liberties When did we get to realms in this conversation? Can I have a realm? A few concubines and the ability to sentence people to death could come in handing... once I get people to enter my realm!! There's chicken. IT"S THE SAME FUCKING WORLD YOU DELUSIONAL MAN!! __________________ It's amazing to me that, unlike in the real world, people on the internet will wear "everyone thinks I'm a moron" as a badge of honour.

02-08-2012, 08:45 PM	#534
ACt Heart Wizard Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Halls of Irreverence Posts: 3,257 Thanks: 5,327 Thanked 18,707 Times in 4,853 Posts	Re: Us government's trick to violate civil liberties It occured to me as well... because what point is being King if you can't just abuse power, eh? (But don't worry... you'd half to enter my realm to be at risk.) __________________ It's amazing to me that, unlike in the real world, people on the internet will wear "everyone thinks I'm a moron" as a badge of honour.

02-09-2012, 09:41 AM	#538
ACt Heart Wizard Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Halls of Irreverence Posts: 3,257 Thanks: 5,327 Thanked 18,707 Times in 4,853 Posts	Re: Us government's trick to violate civil liberties See, even the idea of a "realm of discussion" seems hilariously pompous and arrogant to me. It's like there is this special zone with rules and regulations and a supreme ruler who dictates how things shall be and what is or is not permissible. Well, son, someone should introduce you to the internet. There is no such place here. Hell, if you tried that on me in a face to face conversation I'd still laugh and call you a fool. Stick to your guns all you want, they aren't getting you anywhere here. Also, not an expert on law, but what the hell is this spirit of the law shit being more important than the letter of the law? Somethings sounds horribly off with that. __________________ It's amazing to me that, unlike in the real world, people on the internet will wear "everyone thinks I'm a moron" as a badge of honour.

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