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Old 02-17-2012, 01:12 PM   #106
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Re: Naruto 574

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Suigetsu and Juugo are not aware that Sasuke turned his back on the rest of Taka.
I can't remember exactly, but I think Karin thought Sasuke was leaving them behind when he went Susano-o/prowl for Danzou mode. If Karin thought that, I'm wondering why Juugo and Suigetsu didn't as they were amongst the crumbling debris surrounded by people who hate their guts and probably want to take it out of them.

Actually, I can't even see why Kishi is writing about them anymore. We use to care about them, but not that much that we'd missed them entirely, and especially not that much anymore.
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Old 02-17-2012, 03:18 PM   #107
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Re: Naruto 574

Amaterasu is the hyped up and useless jutsu thus far its been overcome everytime thus far from garra dumping sand on it to yamato spliting the ground to a low rank transformation jutsu to a bushinn useless.

Sasuke still spams the same shit over and over horrible waste im kot a fan of how kishi has sasuke fight now before he was actually entertaining thinking of ways to one up his opponents confusing them etc but now he just wraps himself up in a susanoo and spams amaterasu lolllllll.

He will have some new jutsu from ems in order for naruto to not utterly rape him but right now saduke isnt amywhere near naruto's level. Although kishi will never mess up a sasuke naruto match they'll always be "evenly matched" for the most part.

Still seeing him return is good just hope next chapter we get real development again.
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Re: Naruto 574

The only way for him to keep up with naruto at this point is for him to get rinnegan in my opinion.
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The only way for him to keep up with naruto at this point is for him to get rinnegan in my opinion.
In theory, Sasukes power is equal to that of Edo-Madara, or in its 'neighborhood', until he detaches from Susannoo to use Rinn & its techs. Therefore, Edo-Madara was owning everybody prior to that point where Gaara found a way to disable his Susanno, and just changed doujutsu and went on another rage. The basic point is all of his jutsu are so powerful and huge, theyre are few attempts to attack him much, and nowhere near 'equally'. I'd suspect Sasuke's to be deadly as well, and Kishi made it rain for the purpose of giving Sasuke acess to an abundance of lightening techs, to allow something other than only spamming Amaretsu varients.
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Old 02-17-2012, 07:23 PM   #110
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In theory, Sasukes power is equal to that of Edo-Madara, or in its 'neighborhood', until he detaches from Susannoo to use Rinn & its techs. Therefore, Edo-Madara was owning everybody prior to that point where Gaara found a way to disable his Susanno, and just changed doujutsu and went on another rage. The basic point is all of his jutsu are so powerful and huge, theyre are few attempts to attack him much, and nowhere near 'equally'. I'd suspect Sasuke's to be deadly as well, and Kishi made it rain for the purpose of giving Sasuke acess to an abundance of lightening techs, to allow something other than only spamming Amaretsu varients.
Come again? In what way would Sasuke, whose EMS powers thus far have been limited to flaming frisbees and a sword made of the black fires of uselessness, be anywhere near the same level as Madara, who has the goddamn Rinnegan? The Rinnegan is so much more powerful than any variation of the Sharingan it's not even comparable.

The rain also has absolutely no effect on his ability to use Raiton techniques. All Raiton save Kirin use chakra. The weather doesn't do anything to them, and they can't be juiced just because it's rainy.

EDIT: and if you're saying "oh well he'll just be as powerful as Madara was pre-Rinnegan," that's also a pretty decisive no. Madara rather obviously has much stronger ninjutsu than Sasuke ever did.
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Re: Naruto 574

MS Madara didn't impress me.

He was stronger than your average "kage" lvl shinobi but not by a large margin. Owning fodder is nothing to brag about, and he was pushed into his RG techs by a tired Nardo/Gaara/Oonoki combo.
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MS Madara didn't impress me.

He was stronger than your average "kage" lvl shinobi but not by a large margin. Owning fodder is nothing to brag about, and he was pushed into his RG techs by a tired Nardo/Gaara/Oonoki combo.
Yea, but something was wrong with madara IMO. With his EMS powers intact he didn't use amaterasu, tsukuyomi or the new unknown doujutsu. Only sasanoo and just a level 1 version with muscles and tendons, not even a level 2 with armour or 3 with the Oni cloak thing.

EMS madara is not what was fighting the kages otherwise we should've seen some EMS jutsu opposed to a noob version of sasanoo sasuke was able to use just by trying it against the kages.
It was more like a basic SG madara with a partial sasanoo, nothing more. and, IMO, that is impressive since it took sage naruto, gaara, onoki and the fodder shinobi to land a single blow.
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Come again? In what way would Sasuke, whose EMS powers thus far have been limited to flaming frisbees and a sword made of the black fires of uselessness, be anywhere near the same level as Madara, who has the goddamn Rinnegan? The Rinnegan is so much more powerful than any variation of the Sharingan it's not even comparable.

The rain also has absolutely no effect on his ability to use Raiton techniques. All Raiton save Kirin use chakra. The weather doesn't do anything to them, and they can't be juiced just because it's rainy.

EDIT: and if you're saying "oh well he'll just be as powerful as Madara was pre-Rinnegan," that's also a pretty decisive no. Madara rather obviously has much stronger ninjutsu than Sasuke ever did.
The concept being, what did Edo-Madara do prior to using Rinnengan and Harashirma's DNA techs, all of that shit he did as I stated PRIOR to him unleashing Rinn in theory are all jutsu's and or abilities available to Sasuke. Just because Sasuke hasn't been activated, dosen't suggest what his newer abilities are. Just because he's not liked for leaving Konoha and not being a sheep dosen't suggest what his actual powers or abilities are. I understand that the doujutsu's users abilities has some to do with they're special techs, etc. but some stuff is simple math. Madaras MS + Izunas MS = Madaras's EMS = he was one of the most powerful shinobi on the planet, so using that same math Sasukes MS + Itachi's MS = Sasuke's EMS = shit shinobi cause its a good guess?

Lastly, I never said that the storm itself would help ALL of Sasukes Lightnening Techs, but you said it yourself 'Kirin', it was produced by Sasuke utilizing a storms ingredients. So since then, why do we know that all Sasuke can produce is Kirin, I mean thats a jutsu used vs. Itachi a very dated fight, though I don't have a lot of faith in Kishi, chances are, the NEXT Lightnening attack will be different, bigger, and stronger, I'd guess.

Besides this whole manga's progression is about the younger generation surpassing the old....OBVIOUSLY IF AN UCHIHA HAS TO DO WITH THE DEMISE OF EITHER TOBI, OR EDO-MADARA IT'LL BE SASUKE.... THERE ARE NO MORE UCHIHAS TO FALL FROM THE SKY. I ALSO DOUBT THAT EDO-MADARA, CAN BE DEFEATED ALONE BY A 'NON' UCHIHA ALIVE IN THE STORY NOW.
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Re: Naruto 574

If were comparing Madara and sasukes EMS abilities then sasuke has Madara beat since he at least has used a complete sasanoo with amaterasu Frisbees...

Lol, thats not the case though obviously. The EMS for madara as well as sasuke should offer Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, sasanoo and some new jutsu thats as much stronger then any MS jutsu, as the MS is stronger then any regular SG jutsu IMO.
Hell, I could be wrong and the EMS creates amaterasu x2 and tsukuyomi x2 which should make two new jutsu IMO.

Heres what I was thinking about.

:The regular SG performs genjutsu and genjutsu only as its main ability.

:The MS perform only one genjutsu, but 2 ninjutsu (amaterasu and sasanoo). Its like the more the power of spiritual energy/Yin element increases the genjutsu of the SG evolves into ninjutsu so by the time the EMS is created from a MS x2, there should no longer be genjutsu at all, but a haxxed out strong ninjutsu.

:The RG offers nothing but ninjutsu as the spiritual energy of the SG is so high that all the genjutsu has evolved into ninjutsu.

Adding hashiramas powerful physical energy/Yang element just seems to create a more powerful version of the same jutsu with no evolution into ninjutsu with hashi power up, only spiritual energy/yin element it seems to cause evolution.

These are possibilitiesVVV, but examples none the less.

:Hashi power+Tsukuyomi of the MS=shisuis kotoamatsukami.

:hashi power+ MS water affinity not fire jutsu=tobis T/S whirlpool.

:hashi power+MS earth jutsu affinity not fire=tobi's recomposing to such a degree hes like a ghost, not physical in any way. That would sound like the ultimat earth jutsu IMO.
And I thought tobis T/S jutsu was based on water affinity since it creates a whirlpool of T/S. That and T/S's ability to be fluid-like. SO, its like controlling the flow and fluidity of T/S itself.

AMaterasu is due to the uchiha fire affinity Im sure and since tobis in a hasi body with a earth and water affinity I could see tobi able to use earth and water like MS jutsu.
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Re: Naruto 574

Reasons for Madara not using Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi could also include the fact that both techniques are effectively worthless against large groups. Oh hey, Madara was totally fighting a large group. Susano'o requires the mastery of both to be used, so yeah.
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Sasuke milkshake brings all the gay boys to the yard....
And they like amaterasu is better than swords of totsuka,
Damn right ametarasu frisbee is better than Rinnegan....

Won't be surprise next up, Sasuke amaterasu juice beats Sage of Six Path..
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Reasons for Madara not using Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi could also include the fact that both techniques are effectively worthless against large groups. Oh hey, Madara was totally fighting a large group. Susano'o requires the mastery of both to be used, so yeah.
Tsukiyomi yes, its only been done to single characters at at time, but Amaretsu worthless against large groups, why? Only 2 have shown abilites vs. Susanno's and Amaretsu, Gaara, and Mei, the other 3 Kages have not shown the ability to stop either. Tsunade has no defense at all but to call on others, Oonki is more worn out than anyone on the entire Alliance side even with a quick heal from Tits Malone, and Raichu has only been able to run away from Amartsu's users line of sight, but he couldn't stop Sasuke by himself and as KYF said I must agree, Edo-Madara has done nothing seriously or with strategy. So what he can ultimately do JUST LIKE SASUKE is unknown, at best somebody can pull a guess from past battles, but besides Tobi vs. Konan, no EMS user has been seen going all out to the death vs anyone, so to 'know' what they can do is an impossibility.
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Reasons for Madara not using Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi could also include the fact that both techniques are effectively worthless against large groups. Oh hey, Madara was totally fighting a large group. Susano'o requires the mastery of both to be used, so yeah.
This is the fair assessment unlike those that is purely sasuke bias.

Plus tsukuyomi is not something you can just go nuts with from the get-go... especially not against the kages...

So not right to make quick assessment and be fair to edo madara... He just like sasuke may have both amaterasu and tsukuyomi.
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