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Old 04-08-2012, 06:01 AM   #1
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homosexuality is it just......

is it an over-exaggeration of nature???

All human beings start out as female until the Y chromosome magic happens so lesbians are natural.. it's just one of the persons attraction part of the brain changed to designate itself as male while the body remained the same and conversely for gays the body made the leap and the brains sexual attraction part didn't switch it's coding from female to male.

nothing serious just something that came across my mind while watching a show on PBS about the human genome
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is it an over-exaggeration of nature???
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All human beings start out as female until the Y chromosome magic happens so lesbians are natural..
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it's just one of the persons attraction part of the brain changed to designate itself as male while the body remained the same
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and conversely for gays the body made the leap and the brains sexual attraction part didn't switch it's coding from female to male.
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nothing serious just something that came across my mind while watching a show on PBS about the human genome
I don't know how accurate PBS shows on science are since they don't air here, but if you got these ideas out of it, I fear for what else that show said.
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Re: homosexuality is it just......

Wow, maybe it's just cause people prefere a dick in their ass, well who gives a fuck. It's not that they're doing something wrong and from a scientific perspective i don't see the use of this.

Don't tell me they're finding a cure against it ? It's America we're talking about, i wouldn't be surprised...
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Re: homosexuality is it just......

no it's nothign liek that .. It was just a thought that crossed my mind after they mentioned that all human life starts out as female and then mutates.. so I thought that maybe homosexuals was just an under mutation in the case of lesbians and over hyper mutation in the case of gays.. long story short i hypothesized that the brains chemicals dont match up to the body which is where that whole gender identity phrase comes from.

and dont be silly you can't cure a person form being gay .. if that were possible you could change a person's natural attraction form that of heterosexual to homosexual.. just like you can't help who you fall in love wiht .. you can't change what arrouses you.

From a scientific perspective I think if this is the case then it might help mankind come into a more tollerant stance of the homosexual community as somethign that isn't strange but natural.. as opposed to the religious right wing dogma thats being fed to kids in school.

THe show I watched had nothing to do with this topic.. they were talkign about genome mapping and going very briefly about the XX XY thing and it made me think that maybe homosexuality might be a genetic mutation on some chromosome or somethign .. they were talking about how one letter on a chromosome could cause a person to have chrones disease or some shit
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no it's nothign liek that .. It was just a thought that crossed my mind after they mentioned that all human life starts out as female and then mutates..
Then they informed you wrong. Humans do NOT start as females, they start as non-males. I know it sounds like the same thing, but it isn't: being female means having female-only traits, while being non-male means not demonstrating male-only traits. That happens because in the very beginning of the fetus' live, only one chromosome is being expressed, the X chromosome. Then the gender is determined by what happens to the second chromosome: if X, it'll be locked from being expressed, and such lock will make the fetus female; if Y, it'll be expressed with the X chromosome, making the fetus male.

That's why, sometimes, you have female XY babies, because the Y chromosome is wrongly locked and the DNA mechanisms assume it's a female.

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so I thought that maybe homosexuals was just an under mutation in the case of lesbians and over hyper mutation in the case of gays..
That's not how it works. Sexuality, in terms of DNA, depends on many, MANY, genes and we still don't fully know how variations on those genes can affect specifically the sexuality of the person, since there is dominant/recessive, co-dominant and other genetic dynamics in play. We just know heterosexuality is the promoted sexuality due to survival of the species. But, right now, it's impossible to say if homosexuality is a bioproduct of (many) mutations or not.

Also, human biology (outside of gender-linked issues) does NOT work in male/female dichotomies. For example, sexuality could be arranged in four axis (its not up to scale, is just to give better representation of the idea):



So, as you can see, there are so many variations in human sexuality that simplifying it to male/female roles is dumbing it down quite a lot.

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long story short i hypothesized that the brains chemicals dont match up to the body which is where that whole gender identity phrase comes from.
Except not even in transsexuals that happens. Again, human biology outside of gender-specific issues doesn't have the male/female dichotomy, that's why you have transsexuals: not because their brain is somehow disconnected from their body in chemical terms (that'd means they'd be in vegetative state), they just don't like the gender they were born with (and many times the social pressures tied to the genders).

Also, homosexuals do NOT have a gender issue in any way. Many studies were carried to verify if there's any significant chemical/hormonal difference between straight males and gay males and nothing was found. Same thing with straight females and lesbians. The only thing the brain is known to have anything to do with determining sexuality is to act upon it (although some studies indicate nurture can have an influence in sexuality, but the results are questionable so far).

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From a scientific perspective I think if this is the case then it might help mankind come into a more tollerant stance of the homosexual community as somethign that isn't strange but natural.. as opposed to the religious right wing dogma thats being fed to kids in school.
Science doesn't need to showcase how it happens because it's already known as a natural, not immoral thing so acceptance is already justified.

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A letter on a chromosome? Chrone's disease? Don't you mean a nucleotide on a gene and Crohn's disease?

Also, already explained, it isn't a single-gene thing.
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Re: homosexuality is it just......

Well, Numinous, I may argue that since all development begins normally and only when the Y chromosome kicks in does "maleness" developed and that if, for whatever reason, the Y chromosome fails to activate or is not present (the XO genotype) the phenotype is female, that the default (in humans) is female, so we all begin to develop as a female does.

Of course, that's being very broad and your point of the early stages of development are, for the most part, sexless, is well taken.

HR - homosexuality is genetic, because all things are genetic. Why, what causes it and exactly how it beneifits a species to have it, is still unknown and some rather touchy questions to get into. (I'm quite certain the gay community will be happy for proof that they are genetically natural but will quail at the idea of describing it fully for the potential genetic "therapies" that could arise to remove it from unborn children - of course, just one of the many issues our growing genetic species will have to wrestle with.) I theorize that it is a genetic phenotype that arises during times of oppulance for a populace, where there is either no true pressures of species survival due to lack of mating or, in extreme, a behavioural shift due to lack of females (everyone needs some love). A common citation of common and accepted homosexual practices is Rome, the previous height of civilization which has only recently been surpassed, and the species examples are generally in very stable and relatively untroubled populations - often birds and monkeys.
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Well, Numinous, I may argue that since all development begins normally and only when the Y chromosome kicks in does "maleness" developed and that if, for whatever reason, the Y chromosome fails to activate or is not present (the XO genotype) the phenotype is female, that the default (in humans) is female, so we all begin to develop as a female does.

Of course, that's being very broad and your point of the early stages of development are, for the most part, sexless, is well taken.
I just prefer to determine male and female after the second sexual gene commences to be expressed (or not). That's why I don't consider the XO genotype as an indicator of what is the default gender, because said genotype only manifests after the (lack of) second gene is expressed.

It's just a convention I learned in college, other countries might have other conventions.

Also, it'd be interesting to see what HR has to say about the XXX, XXY and XYY genotypes.
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I'm sure he'll find XXX super sexy.
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you wouldn't? :P
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Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future
So you can post the second bit and i shouldnt be allowed to if i dont tell you? Why be so rude?

Anyways, here is a quotes for noobs guide


1. A basic quote

[*QUOTE][*/QUOTE]

(the * need to be removed for it to work, I put them in so you can see the text) is a basic quote that just wraps something in a quote without saying who quoted it who quoted so

[*QUOTE]this is a quote[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
this is a quote

Edit: there is a button for this, it looks like a speech bubble. If you select text and then press the button the selected text will automatically be wrapped with the quote tag


2. A quote that says who said it

[*QUOTE=who said it][*/QUOTE] this adds who said the post, manually putting that there can be useful when quoting something external. Example:

[*QUOTE=Mangastream]Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
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Originally Posted by Mangastream
Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us
3. A quote that says who said it and links to the post where it was said

[*QUOTE=who said it;X][*/QUOTE]

Where X is the post number.

For the post that i originally quoted it would look like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]

That is what you get when you press the quote button.

4. Breaking up a quote

Now that you know how quotes work it all boils down to preference, how you want it to look like and how you want to do it.

One way of doing it is copying the latter part of the original quote [*/QUOTE] and then pasting it after each section you break up, write your reply, choose the text you want then paste it after that portion, repeat till you finish the go back and copy then paste the first part of the text at the beginning of each portion of text. Of course you can immediately copy and paste both parts of a poste so that you dont forget one in the end.

The end result would be something like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4



Which without any * would look like

Quote:
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Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4


Another way of doing it would be to cut and paste the second part of the quote tag after the first section of text you want to seperate then write your reply select the second part and hit he quote button (it looks like a text bubble),if you do that without anything else the end result would be

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4

Which would look like

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Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4

To make it like the previous example (which wpuld be preferred, though not necessary ) copy the part that says who posted with the link to the post and paste it accordingly to the proper part in each first half of each quote tag. In my I would copy =minato uchiha;2118164 and paste it where the # is
[*QUOTE#] to get [*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] (of course with the * removed)


Of course you can use any other method you like to get to the end result, but now that you know what the end rwsult looks like I think there shouldnt be any problems
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At first I thought this was some retarded thread by a bot...then I discovered it was a some retarded thread by HR.

Gentlemen, carry on proving this idiot is just that.
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Why, what causes it and exactly how it beneifits a species to have it, is still unknown and some rather touchy questions to get into.
Could be like the bonobos, where sex is used instead of fighting to keep the peace.
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(I'm quite certain the gay community will be happy for proof that they are genetically natural but will quail at the idea of describing it fully for the potential genetic "therapies" that could arise to remove it from unborn children - of course, just one of the many issues our growing genetic species will have to wrestle with.)
This. Bigots already call homosexuality a disease, which means that there just has to be a cure. But if it ain't broke, don't fix it, yadda yadda yadda.
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Don't forget Sparta. Homosexuality and pederasty were important to the Spartan way of war and whatnot.
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Don't forget Sparta. Homosexuality and pederasty were important to the Spartan way of war and whatnot.
Oh yeah, can't forget them. But it's totaly normal. I mean, with abs like this:

How could you not be gay for it?
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Re: homosexuality is it just......

I tend to agree with numinous' explanation of starting out male and female.

and to those who talked about the homosexuality in the societies of Rome and Sparta, don't forget, at the highest peak of sexual activity for both societies (orgies, homosexuality, and whatnot), both societies fell.

as a matter of fact, going back and looking at just about all the great societies ie. Egypt and Japan, once the sexual activities for both reached it's climax (nice pun here), many historians argue that that is when these started to deteriorate. After all, scientific research shows that the average person needs some recovery time after a good romp (horomones, ie. testosterone).

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and to those who talked about the homosexuality in the societies of Rome and Sparta, don't forget, at the highest peak of sexual activity for both societies (orgies, homosexuality, and whatnot), both societies fell.
That argument is a fabrication by some nuts and far from the truth. Actually, Rome's sexual peak happened 300 years before the decline of the Empire, thanks to the conversion to Christianity. Now that's one of the reasons the empire fell, along with political strifes, problems with the military to hold the outer provinces, economical struggles, disease waves and even linguistic drift.

As for Sparta, it was much more about their attitude towards other Greek city-states that determined their downfall. They were strong and proud, but they weren't miracle workers that could win against Athens/League of Corinth when they were backed up by both the Persian and later the Roman Empire.

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as a matter of fact, going back and looking at just about all the great societies ie. Egypt and Japan, once the sexual activities for both reached it's climax (nice pun here), many historians argue that that is when these started to deteriorate.
Now that's something I never heard about before. I thought that the conflict with the Libyans started to fracture the civilization, followed up by the Assyrians, Persians, Greek and Romans. Also, Japan? Are we talking about the Edo Period or Pre-WW II Japan? Because, either way, I doubt very much sex had anything to do with it.
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Re: homosexuality is it just......

I'm not saying that climax of the sexual activities had anything to do with the fall of all of those societies, but it is interesting looking at the timeframe of when sexuality reached its peak, and how soon the civilization fell.

with rome, there are several factors. politics, spreading an army too thin, uprisings. you mentioned several reasons for sparta. with egypt and japan (edo period more specifically), i too, doubt sexuality was the source of the downfall, it's just interesting to look at those timeframes, that is all.
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