Technical Guide to Form Arguments Logically - Page 4

saiyaman · 01-20-2012, 11:53 AM

Wow...just wow. That is probably the best effort ever to guide people to a reasonable argument.

JEWbii · 01-23-2012, 07:55 PM

KYF i honestly cannot fathom why you continue to post here. This forum is full of idiots that take this cartoon FAR FAR too seriously and they have their little clicky online circle jerk club.

They dont like you, end of story. Just bring your entertaining and thought provoking theories to a site where the posters aren't a bunch of self-important dorks.

Who the hell takes the time to write a structure study of a comic book just to post in a forum with about 10 consistent contributors, seriously? I would be embarassed to admit that any amount of time went into that. What did you tell your girlfriend/wife you were doing while you were piecing this together? Ahhh, my assumption that you had any source of pussy in your life was an "ILLOGICAL FALLACY" as you surely do not.

KYF you obviously enjoy the manga, as do i, and like to fill the gap between episodes with entertaining banter. The problem is that the people on here dont like to banter with you.

In closing, get a life you fucking losers!!! You cant get a phd in Naruto, apply your limited intellect to something useful and move out of your mommy's basement.

AOTKorby · 01-23-2012, 08:14 PM

what the eff, why'd this get de-stickied?

**Miburo** · 01-23-2012, 08:20 PM

Someone unstuck it. I dunno why. Re-sticked.

Edit: Oh, and LOL at the dude above.

"Hey guy that writes crazy elaborate conspiracy theory type shit about a cartoon targeted at 13 year old boys that I am a huge fan of, fuck these guys who take said cartoon way too seriously as shown by them telling people to not be so stupid about some dumb cartoon.

And I'd be embarrassed to admit that I spent any amount of time posting something on some stupid cartoon forum with only ten members or some shit! Anyone who does that is obviously a perma-virgin loser...OH FUCK"

Spiegel · 01-23-2012, 09:02 PM

Holy shit this is good info. Can't believed I didn't know of its existence, though I hardly step into this section of the forum due to the absurd amount of weebos. Awesome work Numinous!

AOTKorby · 01-23-2012, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JEWbii

KYF i honestly cannot fathom why you continue to post here. This forum is full of idiots that take this cartoon FAR FAR too seriously and they have their little clicky online circle jerk club.

They dont like you, end of story. Just bring your entertaining and thought provoking theories to a site where the posters aren't a bunch of self-important dorks.

Who the hell takes the time to write a structure study of a comic book just to post in a forum with about 10 consistent contributors, seriously? I would be embarassed to admit that any amount of time went into that. What did you tell your girlfriend/wife you were doing while you were piecing this together? Ahhh, my assumption that you had any source of pussy in your life was an "ILLOGICAL FALLACY" as you surely do not.

KYF you obviously enjoy the manga, as do i, and like to fill the gap between episodes with entertaining banter. The problem is that the people on here dont like to banter with you.

In closing, get a life you fucking losers!!! You cant get a phd in Naruto, apply your limited intellect to something useful and move out of your mommy's basement.

In intellectual terms:

War is Peace
Freedom Is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

saiyaman · 01-26-2012, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by JEWbii

In closing, get a life you fucking losers!!! You cant get a phd in Naruto, apply your limited intellect to something useful and move out of your mommy's basement.

I suppose you got a PHD by posting this.

Narut0360 · 04-19-2012, 10:07 PM

i guess learned about arguments from the wrong people

i should of learned about arguments from you from the very start.

Aman Shahur · 05-20-2013, 03:52 AM

hnnnnn i know this already but much appreciate for a effort..........

**Mal** · 05-20-2013, 09:50 AM

Konnaha_yellow_flash · 05-20-2013, 01:19 PM

It is a long time coming for this...

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vii. Universal/Affirmative conclusion when one of the premises is Particular/Negative

One more silly fallacy:

Some redheads aren’t Uzumaki
Karin is a redhead
Therefore, Karin is an Uzumaki

This is fallacious, because the major term is negative and it’s the predicate of the conclusion, therefore its negative property also has to be present in the conclusion.

viii. Fallacy of Particular Terms

And taking the above example, it is also fallacious because Karin is a particular term that also happens to be the minor, but since we’re taking two particular terms, the link between premises is too weak to validate the conclusion.

WHo the fuck would use this argument... Can't help but suspect obvious doucheries on numious's part... trying to create a fallacious argument to help refute the idea that Karin was an Uzumaki, which she turned out to be, haha!!

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x. Fallacy of composition
Occurs when someone assumes the properties of the particular as true for the universal.

Example: “The trademark hair color of the Uzumaki is red, therefore all redheads are Uzumaki”

Your an idiot, that is true and supported by the manga... A fallacy of composition would claiming:
"Uzumaki kushina survived a bijuu extraction, therefore all uzumaki should",

thus if gaara is Uzumaki he should have survived his bijuu extraction... right... lol... That is a fallacy of composition.

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xiv. Fallacy of the single cause
Occurs when someone assumes there’s a single causation to the events when there are many.

Example: Saying that everything breaks down to the Yin/Yang when there are many more causes in play.

You took that shit completely out of context... In Ninjutsu and genjutsu, YIN and YANG is at there core... everything in nin/genjutsu breaks down to the use of YIN/YANG and apparently the very universe as stated by the rikudou tablet itself...

I am not trying to take a ambiguous statement and give it a single interpretation... I am merely pointing out that in the manga, the creator of ninjutsu and his creation are all at their core based in the YIN/YANG of his power... The bijuu, the descendants power, the very jutsu that created the bijuu all comes down to YIN/YANG, two opposing forces that work against each other and together to create and control the universe as itwas, is and will be....

ALl you did was change the context to fit your stupid example which is contextomy... SHould learn about that douche...

ANd your Argument from Silence is incorrect... An argument from silence originated with historians and is a conclusion drawn based on the absence of statements in historical documents; rather than their presence...

To adapt this to the manga, where kishi did not mention an event/technique, ect the conclusion is based on his not mentioning something, not the mention of them...

Argument from silence naruto forums fools : "Sasuke can invoke susanoo which is the product of tsukuyomi and amaterasu, however, because the author never stated that sasuke's MS genjutsu was tsukuyomi... sasuke does not have tsukuyomi..."

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xv. False attribution
Occurs when one fabricates or uses an irrelevant/invalid premise to support the conclusion.

Example: “Minato gave the second half othe Kyuubi to Sasuke because Itachi radiated good nature.”

Are you gonig to take all old theories of mine and take them out of context just to fit your examples... That is just contexttomy and pretty much using a Strasman...

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xvi. Contextomy
Occurs when someone quotes things out of context, distorting the original meaning of said quote.

Example: Quoting Karin comparing the Kyuubi’s and Sasuke’s chakra to say Sasuke is a Jinchuuriki, although the comparison was only made about the evil of both chakras.

LMFAO, you damn hypocrite... what did you just write??? I never sasid "IS" anything at all... I only made the theory of "could be"... I almost always use Inductive reasoning... Again, All your doing is changing the context my original statements just to try and take away credibility... All it does is show how pathetic you are...

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xxi. Kettle logic
It should be renamed KYF’s logic, really. Occurs when someone uses several inconsistent arguments to defend an argument.

You know what this is don't ya... Well poisoning... This whole post is meant towards me and whoever believe tobi=obito simply because you do not believe it or cannot understand why it could be true, not even due to logic or reason...

You clearly are just making one huge form of argument from personal incredulity...

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xxii. Mind Projection Fallacy
Occurs when someone considers his/her perception of reality as reality itself.

Example: Actually believing in Phenomenological Reality.

Do you even know what phenomenological reality is??? No... then who are you to make such a conclusion??? It is Ironic for you of all people who is more subjective then anyone i have ever known not to believe in phenomenological reality...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realit...ogical_reality

It is PERSONAL reality... what Itachi's tsukuyomi effects... There are 3 different forms of reality...

1). Consensus reality:
which is based on the sme interpretation of many people (like religion)...
2). Phenomenological reality:
which everyone experiences separately as their onw person reality..
3).Non-Reality:
Simply means that there is no Objective reality. Every possible interpretation or observation is Tainted by subjectivity and therefore does not constitute truth.

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xxv. Reification
Occurs when someone treats an abstraction as a concrete entity when such treatment has no antecedent (abstractions like the Seven Sins have been personified throughout the centuries, so such treatment is no longer an reification IF it follows said personification’s basic characteristics)

Example: Treating Shinbutsu Shuugou/Bunri like jutsu. Shinbutsu Shuugou/Bunri, even if they were applied to concrete entities, they are abstractions themselves and there’s no antecedent of their personification.

Now this one takes the cake... Due to this being a manga and the treatment of other abstractions as concrete entites... There is more then enough consistent examples to suggest that shinbutu shougou or Bunri could be used as forms of ninjutsu or genjutsu by a character... You again are just trying to rationalize why something you personally do not understand or agree with by taking it out of context and presented it as a flaw in logic, thus unlikely...

The amount of things you have done this with is just ridiculous...

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a. Faulty generalizations
i. Fallacy by accident
Occurs when someone generalizes a concept while ignoring possible exemptions.

Example: “All redheads are Uzumaki”

LMAO, this was not an argument made from evidence or opinion... It was a Quote of the actual canon you dunce...

Going by your logic "All SG users are Uchiha" is a fallacious argument despite everyone who uses the SG is either an Uchiha or using the power of one, making them part Uchiha like kakashi and danzou who used transplanted Uchiha power...

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v. Hasty generalization
Occurs when someone makes a hasty conclusion on a small sample or on a particular statement that was mistaken as universal.

Example: “All Uzumaki are redheads”

This is not a hasty generalization at all... It is a completely based on the manga canon that says blatantly " all Uzumaki have red hair..."

You know what a hasty generalization is... Because I got the sasuke a pseudo-Jink theory wrong, All my theories are wrong as well... You ar the king of this after all...

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xiii. Genetic fallacy
Occurs when someone produces a conclusion based on the origin of the subject rather than its current state.

Example: “Naruto is Senju because he descends from the Second Son.”

How is this a fallacy??? It is obviously true since he is Uzumaki and the Uzumaki is part of the Senju bloodline a.k.a the younger son of the sage's bloodline...
And assuming that the conclusion is wrong simply because the conclusion of the argument may be fallicious is an argument from fallacy, fallacy...

This is only about half of what I wanted to discuss and it is a long time coming too...

kael03 · 05-20-2013, 01:23 PM

Dude, no one gives a shit about your silly little theories. This thread was created here because several people have demonstrated their lack of arguing skills by committing numerous logical fallacies. Since this sectiin is frequented more often than others, Num posted it here.

Shrike · 05-20-2013, 01:41 PM

KYF, you are the biggest retard fucking ever. You were entertaining to a point, but just stfu and kill yourself already. Fucking moron.

Konnaha_yellow_flash · 05-20-2013, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Shrike

KYF, you are the biggest retard fucking ever. You were entertaining to a point, but just stfu and kill yourself already. Fucking moron.

If I actually respected the likes of you I would be offended... But as the Immature, stick your finger in your own ass to smell it because you think you shit doesn't stink, Elitist, reality ignorant woolly wide eye sheep you are, I just pity you...
Also, why not try to solve the anger and anxiety of your problems with other people and life directly instead of displacing them onto me... Just show how pathetic you are to take you problems out on someone on a naruto fan site...

Numinous · 05-20-2013, 02:11 PM

Oh my fucking God, this moron is actually arguing against examples and completely missing the point behind them.

What a butthurt loser.

01-20-2012, 11:53 AM	#46
saiyaman Chuunin Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 643 Thanks: 830 Thanked 312 Times in 137 Posts	Re: Technical Guide to Form Arguments Logically Wow...just wow. That is probably the best effort ever to guide people to a reasonable argument. __________________

01-23-2012, 07:55 PM	#47
JEWbii Genin Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: too scared of the nuts on this forum to fill this out Posts: 128 Thanks: 6 Thanked 65 Times in 25 Posts	Re: Technical Guide to Form Arguments Logically KYF i honestly cannot fathom why you continue to post here. This forum is full of idiots that take this cartoon FAR FAR too seriously and they have their little clicky online circle jerk club. They dont like you, end of story. Just bring your entertaining and thought provoking theories to a site where the posters aren't a bunch of self-important dorks. Who the hell takes the time to write a structure study of a comic book just to post in a forum with about 10 consistent contributors, seriously? I would be embarassed to admit that any amount of time went into that. What did you tell your girlfriend/wife you were doing while you were piecing this together? Ahhh, my assumption that you had any source of pussy in your life was an "ILLOGICAL FALLACY" as you surely do not. KYF you obviously enjoy the manga, as do i, and like to fill the gap between episodes with entertaining banter. The problem is that the people on here dont like to banter with you. In closing, get a life you fucking losers!!! You cant get a phd in Naruto, apply your limited intellect to something useful and move out of your mommy's basement.

01-23-2012, 08:20 PM	#49
Miburo Deos Fortioribus Adesse Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Valhalla Posts: 3,543 Thanks: 34,417 Thanked 17,643 Times in 5,442 Posts	Re: Technical Guide to Form Arguments Logically Someone unstuck it. I dunno why. Re-sticked. Edit: Oh, and LOL at the dude above. "Hey guy that writes crazy elaborate conspiracy theory type shit about a cartoon targeted at 13 year old boys that I am a huge fan of, fuck these guys who take said cartoon way too seriously as shown by them telling people to not be so stupid about some dumb cartoon. And I'd be embarrassed to admit that I spent any amount of time posting something on some stupid cartoon forum with only ten members or some shit! Anyone who does that is obviously a perma-virgin loser...OH FUCK" Last edited by Miburo; 01-23-2012 at 08:35 PM.

01-23-2012, 09:02 PM	#50
Spiegel Pirate King Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Grand Line (New World) Age: 25 Posts: 4,931 Thanks: 1,089 Thanked 1,625 Times in 857 Posts	Re: Technical Guide to Form Arguments Logically Holy shit this is good info. Can't believed I didn't know of its existence, though I hardly step into this section of the forum due to the absurd amount of weebos. Awesome work Numinous! __________________ "Inherited will, the destiny of the age, and the dreams of its people. These are things that will not be stopped. As long as people continue to pursue the meaning of freedom, these things will never cease to be!" -Gol D. Roger Ex-Kakashi87

04-19-2012, 10:07 PM	#53
Narut0360 Genin Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Boston Posts: 237 Thanks: 570 Thanked 317 Times in 111 Posts	Re: Technical Guide to Form Arguments Logically i guess learned about arguments from the wrong people http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y i should of learned about arguments from you from the very start.

05-20-2013, 03:52 AM	#54
Aman Shahur Genin Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 142 Thanks: 2 Thanked 41 Times in 27 Posts	Re: Technical Guide to Form Arguments Logically hnnnnn i know this already but much appreciate for a effort..........

05-20-2013, 09:50 AM	#55
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05-20-2013, 01:23 PM	#57
kael03 Aspiring Physicist Join Date: May 2010 Age: 27 Posts: 4,663 Thanks: 4,947 Thanked 8,590 Times in 3,811 Posts	Re: Technical Guide to Form Arguments Logically Dude, no one gives a shit about your silly little theories. This thread was created here because several people have demonstrated their lack of arguing skills by committing numerous logical fallacies. Since this sectiin is frequented more often than others, Num posted it here.

05-20-2013, 01:41 PM	#58
Shrike █▄ █▄█ █▄ ▀█▄ Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Silent Hill Posts: 5,178 Thanks: 7,922 Thanked 9,947 Times in 2,971 Posts	Re: Technical Guide to Form Arguments Logically KYF, you are the biggest retard fucking ever. You were entertaining to a point, but just stfu and kill yourself already. Fucking moron.

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Numinous Writing speed: snail Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Porto, Portugal Posts: 4,999 Thanks: 8,692 Thanked 11,773 Times in 4,074 Posts	Re: Technical Guide to Form Arguments Logically Oh my fucking God, this moron is actually arguing against examples and completely missing the point behind them. What a butthurt loser. __________________ My writings: Waters of Ocean Darkest Chapters: 1 - 2 Weaver Chapters: 0 - 1- 2 - 3 Björk Season My Top 25 Non-Romantic Songs

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