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Old 05-11-2012, 01:18 PM   #61
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Re: jekyl_hyde's Thread of Bullshit

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i've tried to not go too deep into the religious side of this argument, because some would just bash and troll.
If you don't to head that way, you should avoid saying that gay marriage shouldn't be because marriage should be religious. By doing that, how can we not delve into the religious backing of that? Of course not all people are that respectful toward others' beliefs, but I just present rebuttal when I see any inaccuracy.

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you've provided some keen examples to counter my arguments. my rebuttal is that we are humans, and we're not perfect.
So... you're okay with gay marriage now or not? I'm confused.

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also, you have to look at the context of the events.

Foe example, Lot. Before he headed to and settled in Sodom, Lot was a man stature in many ways. He was rich, had a beautiful wife (by the standards in that time), had numerous children (he was a rockefeller in that day in age). After Sodom, what little time he did live, his live was changed drastically.
Psst, here's the context given by the Second Epistle of Peter:

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For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment.
You can see that the context of the elevation is the events linked to the smiting of Sodom and Gomorrah's and the angels tidbit. It even alludes to that in the next segment:

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10 This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the flesh and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, they are not afraid to heap abuse on celestial beings; 11 yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not heap abuse on such beings when bringing judgment on them from the Lord.
Furthermore, this elevation of Lot paints the others' actions as "lawless deeds" that Lot was tormented by, but it never says Lot also did such "deeds", so I'm lead to assume that we're either to ignore the incest and drunken sex Lot practiced or that they're not "lawless deeds".

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just because i don't agree with same sex marriage, how does that make me a hater of a gay person? if that were the case, i would ostracize two of my workers, and i would have no doings with several of my own family members.
You're arguing favorably for restricting them from the same rights you enjoy and they're entitled to have by ethical corollaries. Like ACt said, you may not hate gays but you clearly see a problem with them.

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liberals scream seperation of church and state. yet they don't want it. marriage was a religious concept.
Liberals? Don't you mean anyone with a sense of constitutionality? But see how you typed "was" instead of "is"? Marriage is secular now, much like Christmas and Easter.

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and num, who's to say that the earliest couples didn't believe in religion? pagan gods came from somewhere.
First of all, religion is defined as an organized body of beliefs and rituals practiced by a group of people. It is known that such a thing only occurred back when humans started to settle in the Neolithic.

Before that you could have worshiping of natural phenomena (that's how many pagan gods came to be, by the way) and idols, but there's evidence of ritualistic burials and union of people. That said religions came after marriage, the only thing I can say is that marriage is definitely a byproduct of ritualism but, again, religions don't hold the monopoly on that

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the bible teaches the first man and woman were adam and eve, a common assumption accepted by the scientific community until the last... 20-25 years.
Wut. The scientific community (as in, the community based on empiricism and created after the Renaissance) never accepted such a thing. You could argue that didn't have a rebuttal until Darwin and fellow evolution proposers back in the early XIX century (which, by the way, is almost two centuries, not two decades), but that's not the same thing as accepting.

Also, genetic Adam and Evene have nothing to do with the Biblical Adam and Eve, starting with the fact the genetic ones differ by some good hundreds of thousands of years.

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i personally know of an atheist who thinks that neanderthals didn't have some form of religion. i call it b.s. Well, he may have a point the human brain has always sought answers. religion, throughout all of history answered those questions (some accurately, others not so much).
Except Neanderthals were extinct before the Neolithic happened. I keep bringing that age up tied with religion because it was by settling and creating an hierarchy that religion was possible, before that humans were hunter-gatherers and nomads to boot, records so far indicate they didn't have the time to organize their beliefs like the Neolithic humans had. Of course humans and probably Neanderthals sought answers before that age, but they only had beliefs, not religion.

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modern day science (physics), was from people who believed in pagan gods and people who feared Allah.
Science is independent of theological belief, so it's not surprising at all that happens.

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yet there are still questions that scientists can't answer i.e. how can a cube of ice with a coefficient of friction of .01 come to a complete stop on a smooth surface in under ten feet?
I think you partially answered that question, friction. A friction of 0.01, albeit small, is still there. I can't tell with certainty the other factors in place of such stop since you don't specify the conditions in place. Is there any other force in the place (wind, vibrations, even accumulated carbon dioxide)? If the place is hotter than the ice, the latter's smoothness will be altered and raises the coefficient of friction, the inclination of the surface can also play a role and the force applied (and even its directionality) can influence how the friction will influence the motion of the cube of ice.

I don't know how is this unanswerable until you give me the specifics that can prove that theoretically it shouldn't happen but happens anyway.

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why is the human body, which is designed to live forever (mitosis), die?
Except it ISN'T designed to live forever for the simple fact DNA replication isn't perfect. Our DNA telomers (the ends of the chain) are always cut in mitosis due to the mechanisms in place for replication only reading a certain sequence to start said replication, so all the bases before that specific sequence are lost forever after mitosis. In smaller words, our DNA shrinks every time cells go under mitosis, to the point vital genes are axed and we die.

There are other factors in place: too much oxidation inside the cells will harm them and the DNA within, along with mutations and fuck-ups by the cellular mechanisms. So mitosis for laymen might seem a key for immortality, but what happens is exactly the opposite.

@ mal

Don't worry about not checking the Hebrew, I always do that before forming my opinion on a specific verse. I agree, there's controversy over the verses and I acknowledge the non-rape-of-angels version as equally valid, it's only my understanding that leads me to agree more with the "rapey" version.

As I quoted above the Second Epistle of Peter, it seems that it was believed in Early Christianity that they wanted to taint the angels, but since that's someone else's opinion on that, I won't back up my understanding with it. There are two keywords here, yada and ra'a. The first is in Genesis 19:5 and means "know". Like you said, it could be interpreted as acquaintance or intimacy depending on who you ask. But there's ra'a, which is in Genesis 19:7. In later versions of the Bible, they translate as:

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6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing.
Ra'a can indeed mean "wicked", but it was more used as "hurt" or "afflict". So, in that sense, the passage can be read as "No, my friends. Don't afflict such a thing." That indicates Lot's townsfolk didn't want just to acknowledge the angels, they wanted something more, justifying why Lot offered his daughters. Again, this is highly debatable and both our interpretations have a good reason to be.

By the way, I said "angels rectums" as a tongue-in-cheek thing, because I agree with you in that the people in Sodom and Gomorrah weren't the depraved homosexuals many seem to think and probably were just pagans that had a special emphasis on sexual rituals.

About the drunken incest, I meant strictly in the context of the Second Epistle of Peter, as I explained above. Of course Lot didn't know what happened nor intended to do so, but the author of the epistles knew and didn't allude to them while separating Lot from the "lawless deeds". You could argue it's the daughters fault, but it bugs me that they aren't mentioned and Lot still is part of it, willing or not.
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Old 05-11-2012, 01:23 PM   #62
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Re: jekyl_hyde's Thread of Bullshit

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Lot is a hilarious section. Anyway any thoughts on justified gang bangs?
Er, porn industry?
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What an hilarious thread. Glad I tried the "New Posts" button for the first time (It is mighty convenient though).

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Re: Naruto Chapter 585

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have you tried to teach a toddler to talk? how about write? what about potty training.
I have done all of these things, with kids with autism at that. Veng's description on how children learn things like "hot" is more accurate and viable than your retarded way of doing things.
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Lot is a hilarious section. Anyway any thoughts on justified gang bangs?
Can you find me a specific passage? I don't particularly feel like searching for something I may never find.
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Re: jekyl_hyde's Thread of Bullshit

I think veng is referring to the section that says a widow is to have sex with her brother(s)-in-law if her husband dies without leaving her a son in order to get said heir.
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personally, I think gay marriage is wrong. I also think that our country should leave marriage where it was intended to be, in the context of religion. look throughout history. marriage is a concept of most religions, not of government, excluding arranged marriages between royalty and noble families. I have a wife. we have a marriage license, which I have no idea where it is. we got married due to our religious beliefs, not so we could file our taxes a certain way (also, for those who think there is a difference under filing married jointly rather that individuals under a household with a head of household, there is no difference now).
Are you saying that you want no government involvement, meaning there should be no such thing as being, lets say, "legally" married (that wouldn't mean being married is illegal, I'm talking about the bureaucratic aspect, marriage license and stuff like that), or meaning that there should legally be marriage but the government shouldn't decide who could get married but rather religion should?

If the answer is the latter, then if there were two guys in a religion that allowed same-sex marriage you would be okay with them getting married? Would you be okay with 2 men, 3 women and an elephant getting married if it is by their religion?

Anyways, I thought people tend to get married primarily (in the western world), of course because of love, not so that they could file taxes a certain way nor because of their religious beliefs. I find it intriguing that you did not mention love at all, could you please elaborate on why you didnt? (if it has something to do with your religion please state your religion and elaborate, thanks!)
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Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future
So you can post the second bit and i shouldnt be allowed to if i dont tell you? Why be so rude?

Anyways, here is a quotes for noobs guide


1. A basic quote

[*QUOTE][*/QUOTE]

(the * need to be removed for it to work, I put them in so you can see the text) is a basic quote that just wraps something in a quote without saying who quoted it who quoted so

[*QUOTE]this is a quote[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
this is a quote

Edit: there is a button for this, it looks like a speech bubble. If you select text and then press the button the selected text will automatically be wrapped with the quote tag


2. A quote that says who said it

[*QUOTE=who said it][*/QUOTE] this adds who said the post, manually putting that there can be useful when quoting something external. Example:

[*QUOTE=Mangastream]Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mangastream
Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us
3. A quote that says who said it and links to the post where it was said

[*QUOTE=who said it;X][*/QUOTE]

Where X is the post number.

For the post that i originally quoted it would look like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]

That is what you get when you press the quote button.

4. Breaking up a quote

Now that you know how quotes work it all boils down to preference, how you want it to look like and how you want to do it.

One way of doing it is copying the latter part of the original quote [*/QUOTE] and then pasting it after each section you break up, write your reply, choose the text you want then paste it after that portion, repeat till you finish the go back and copy then paste the first part of the text at the beginning of each portion of text. Of course you can immediately copy and paste both parts of a poste so that you dont forget one in the end.

The end result would be something like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4



Which without any * would look like

Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4


Another way of doing it would be to cut and paste the second part of the quote tag after the first section of text you want to seperate then write your reply select the second part and hit he quote button (it looks like a text bubble),if you do that without anything else the end result would be

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4

Which would look like

Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4

To make it like the previous example (which wpuld be preferred, though not necessary ) copy the part that says who posted with the link to the post and paste it accordingly to the proper part in each first half of each quote tag. In my I would copy =minato uchiha;2118164 and paste it where the # is
[*QUOTE#] to get [*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] (of course with the * removed)


Of course you can use any other method you like to get to the end result, but now that you know what the end rwsult looks like I think there shouldnt be any problems
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You're asking him to make sense? Have you read his other posts?
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I usually don't
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Quote:
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Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future
So you can post the second bit and i shouldnt be allowed to if i dont tell you? Why be so rude?

Anyways, here is a quotes for noobs guide


1. A basic quote

[*QUOTE][*/QUOTE]

(the * need to be removed for it to work, I put them in so you can see the text) is a basic quote that just wraps something in a quote without saying who quoted it who quoted so

[*QUOTE]this is a quote[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
this is a quote

Edit: there is a button for this, it looks like a speech bubble. If you select text and then press the button the selected text will automatically be wrapped with the quote tag


2. A quote that says who said it

[*QUOTE=who said it][*/QUOTE] this adds who said the post, manually putting that there can be useful when quoting something external. Example:

[*QUOTE=Mangastream]Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mangastream
Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us
3. A quote that says who said it and links to the post where it was said

[*QUOTE=who said it;X][*/QUOTE]

Where X is the post number.

For the post that i originally quoted it would look like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]

That is what you get when you press the quote button.

4. Breaking up a quote

Now that you know how quotes work it all boils down to preference, how you want it to look like and how you want to do it.

One way of doing it is copying the latter part of the original quote [*/QUOTE] and then pasting it after each section you break up, write your reply, choose the text you want then paste it after that portion, repeat till you finish the go back and copy then paste the first part of the text at the beginning of each portion of text. Of course you can immediately copy and paste both parts of a poste so that you dont forget one in the end.

The end result would be something like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4



Which without any * would look like

Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4


Another way of doing it would be to cut and paste the second part of the quote tag after the first section of text you want to seperate then write your reply select the second part and hit he quote button (it looks like a text bubble),if you do that without anything else the end result would be

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4

Which would look like

Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4

To make it like the previous example (which wpuld be preferred, though not necessary ) copy the part that says who posted with the link to the post and paste it accordingly to the proper part in each first half of each quote tag. In my I would copy =minato uchiha;2118164 and paste it where the # is
[*QUOTE#] to get [*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] (of course with the * removed)


Of course you can use any other method you like to get to the end result, but now that you know what the end rwsult looks like I think there shouldnt be any problems
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Re: jekyl_hyde's Thread of Bullshit

I think that the thought that crosses many peopels mind on the side of opposition is that if Marriage is legalized then a gay couple could go to their church and get married and that would then be viewed as acceptance on the part of their faith.. little do peopel realize a fucking sea captain can marry people so the religious side of the argument against same sex marriage is retarded since not all marriages fall into a religious category. All a marriage is is a legal and economic contract between two people. But based on that Many argue saying if thats the case then why isn't a civil union good enough.

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little do peopel realize a fucking sea captain can marry people
Incorrect. That's a misinformation popularized by some shows, because sea captains do not have the authority to marry people, only to conduct weddings (the ceremony only, not any legal binding).

If the marriage is to be officiated, there has to be a figure of law present in the vessel (that has to be docked to avoid illegalities). And that docking can allow gay people to marry, since the marriage can and has to follow the laws of the country the vessel is docked in. The kick for gay couples in the US is that the country itself has no defined marriage laws (since it's state-wise marriage laws), so when treating up the papers to carry the marriage back to the US, no matter the state they are in, it has to recognize the marriage since it's a country-to-country affair, not a country-to-state one.

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Definitely. Many people still have an archaic understanding of marriage and family values and the worst part is that many of the people who pledge for the "sanctity of marriage" clearly suck at it.

Bristol Palin and Rush Limbaugh come to mind, denouncing gays for destroying marriage and family when the first advocated favorably teen pregnancy and the latter married 4 times. Double standards indeed.
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I have a question for both sides..

What about a civil union isn't on equal par with a marriage.( for homosexuals)

and what's so bad about calling the union between two individuals a marriage.. is it simply the fact that it's called a marriage that bothers peopel( for heterosexuals)

I also wonder how an athiest who opposed same sex marriage might view this .. would the furvor be downplayed with the removal of the religious association accompanying many peoples idea of a marriage ceremony.

And finally for Both parties.. would everyone be happy if asll marriages were called and categorized as a civil union and you could call it a marriage if you wanted to in private but for legality all unions between two individuals (Limited to two to prevent further definition altering for adult/child 2 or more / human animal ect arguments) be considered a civil union?
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I have a question for both sides..

What about a civil union isn't on equal par with a marriage.( for homosexuals)
It isn't recognized largely by the entire country (only 8 states have legalized Civil Unions).

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Nothing is so bad about calling the union between 2 people a marriage. But "marriage" is a religious connotation and the United States is slowly turning into a theocracy. So, yes, it is simply the fact that it's called a marriage that bothers people.

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I, personally, have no knowledge of an anti-gay atheist. Homophobia is largely (and wrongly) influenced by religion, and since atheists do not follow a religion, there is no basis for that hatred.

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Honestly, I don't care what it's called. My support of same-sex marriage is it entitles homosexual couples the rights associated with standard heterosexual marriage. Most gays I've spoken to only want these rights (the ability to make decisions on behalf of a partner, joint accounts/insurance, the ability to adopt, etc.). They aren't "out to destroy heterosexual couples".
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So a civil Union doesn't accomplish those rights.. If not then whats the point of a civil union
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In most states, it does not give the same rights as marriage as it isn't legally recognized. There are 8 states, currently, that have legalized civil unions to afford the same rights as a "traditional" marriage.
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