UzumakiUchiha

Thanks, i never noticed there was a one piece forum in fandom 'till now i went to the anime&manga section and scrolled down lol. I usually type "naruto manga fandom forums" in google to get to the naruto forums.

Anyways kind of wondering where the hell is sabo? and why he hadn't shown himself yet. [/QUOTE]

Numinous

You can bookmark the site (if your browser allows, I know Firefox and Chrome do but I'm not certain on others) for convenience instead of going to google everytime. It's a big time saver.

He died when the World Noble shot him and his boat, back when him and Ace and Luffy were kids.

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mashmas

I think the younkou law is referring to has to be Big Mom. luffy did say he would bring down big mom and I guess this is Oda trying to make her demise look more plausible by two supernovas than if luffy and his crew were to fight here on their own. Luffy is Strong but Strong enough to bring about the demise of a yonkou? at least not yet anyway.

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When Ichigo said ‘i will defeat Aizen’ I said : ‘Keep dreaming’
When Naruto said ‘i will be hokage’ I said : ‘Grow up kid’
But,
When Luffy said ‘i will be Pirate king’ I said :’Go for it

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It's well past midnight
I should get up to pray
The mirrors of my honesty
have long been filmed with dust

I should get up
I still have time
My hands can yet discern
a jug of water from a jug of wine

as time's wheeled chariot
hurtles down the slope of my life

Perhaps tomorrow
the poisonous arrows aimed at me
will hunt down my eyes
two speckled birds startled into flight

Perhaps tomorrow
my children
will grow old
awaiting my return

UzumakiUchiha

IMO whether he is alive or dead is remain to be seen. I think he did survive that attack, well it is possible, they didn't exactly show him dying other than boat sinking or ssomething, luffy and ace assumed that he died. So I wouldn't be surprised if he pops up sometime later in the manga and likely he would end up being with dragon. Then again it could be argued that if he was alive why he didn't come to rescue ace (could have been few reason like due to the obligation to the revolutionary army; thats if he is alive and with them).

uzumakinagato

"He died" ?

Nah don't think he's dead especially cause of the talk Sabo had with dragon it makes it more likely dragon saved him. And you know Oda doesn't like to kill of char. and if he does kill them off you will see them die with your own eyes, look at bon-chan.

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The eclips, damn that was fucked up....

Numinous

I think Sabo is dead due to his character type. Like Bell-mère or Olvia, he was meant to die to shed light on another's characters personality and actions. And, like them, he has no major purpose in the plot anymore. His introducing character is already done and what would make him stick around? Ace is dead and Luffy won't go back to Dawn Island for a long while, so there's no longer that feeling around the character. Furthermore, Sabo being alive would cheapen both his and Ace's death scenes, making Luffy no longer the only one of the three rascals who survived.

Also, I think that, if Oda wanted Sabo to be alive, he'd play one of his tricks (like Railegh being introduced way before Sabaody), but, as far as I saw from Dragon's scenes, I haven't spotted Sabo anywhere.

One last thing, just because Bon Kurei is alive doesn't mean Sabo can be. If you notice, both instances where Bon Kurei was thought to be dead it was played as scenes of sacrifice, not of morbid death like Sabo.

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Spiegel

I have a feeling that Sabo isn't dead because of this
It's not definitive proof but this at least makes it less possible that he's dead.

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uzumakinagato

Yeah thanks spiegel, that's the proof for him being alive anyway Bon-chan was also done like a character although he still could become a nakama but for the rest he was pretty much played his role.

And his sacrifice would have been better if he stayed died still Oda let him live so i see him doing the same thing with Sabo.

And I thought Sabo was an intresting char. so I hope he's still alive, but that's just my opinion obviously.

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Griffith- The man we all hate, still we consider him as one of the greatest villains ever. Raping the girl of you best friend before his eyes while he killed all his comrades.....




The eclips, damn that was fucked up....

Numinous

Dully noted. I only argue for his death on a character study point of view, of course storyline-wise he could still be alive.

@uzumakinagato: I don't think people should use Bon Kurei as proof of survival of other characters. He sacrificed himself while said sacrifice was never on-panel and his survival has become a running gag to the point of "Okama never die!" being true. Sabo's (assumed) death is really more akin to other flashback characters, not Bon.

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Spiegel

Maybe Oda meant to say that Bon Kurei sacrificed himself in the sense that he'll never leave Impel Down. Who knows. Bon Kurei became a pretty impressionable character that I'm sure we'll see him again in the future.

The only way certain to know why Bon Kurei isn't dead is to see a flashback. I'm sure Blackbeard and his crew made a move on Magellan before Bon Kurei could make a move, and in all the confusion headed back to Level 5.5.

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-Gol D. Roger

*Ex-Kakashi87*

PSJiraiya

What if Big Mam turns out to be Lola's mom? I don't see the SH's trying to take her down if that's the case. Nami should still have the vivre card that Lola gave her that's for her mom, so if Big Mam is Lola's mom they'll know. Lola said her mom was a big deal pirate in the New World and you don't get any bigger than the Yonko.

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uzumakinagato

I like the idea of Bon being dead in the sense that he will never leave Impel Down. Or maybe instead of becoming a nakama he will be for Luffy what Ivan is/was for Dragon.

Would make sense if you think about it.

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Griffith- The man we all hate, still we consider him as one of the greatest villains ever. Raping the girl of you best friend before his eyes while he killed all his comrades.....




The eclips, damn that was fucked up....

Spiegel

That's what most people thought at first but after actually getting a glimpse of Big Mam and seeing what kind of person she is I'm inclining on that not being the case anymore. Lola mentioned that her mom was a great pirate so we can assume she's good since she looks up to her.

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"Inherited will, the destiny of the age, and the dreams of its people. These are things that will not be stopped. As long as people continue to pursue the meaning of freedom, these things will never cease to be!"
-Gol D. Roger

*Ex-Kakashi87*

ask me anything

^ To be fair though, Lola is kind of a psychopath herself. She turns people into babies, and old men, and LOL's while doing it. So I could still see Big Mam being her mother, and them both just having warped personalities.






Big Mam: Hey pumpkin, watch me kill these people.

Lola: You missed one mommy. (slash)

Big Mam: Awww, my little girl got her first kill. You kids grow up so fast. <3




Edit: my mistake :[

Dagoro

That is Bonney you just described. Lola is the leader of the rolling pirates, that big chick at TB that asks every guy she sees to marry her.

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