Game of Thrones and other TV shenanigans - Page 7

kael03 · 05-29-2012, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by xxMESTxx

I won't hold my breathe for the Stark's. Kind of wondering what happened to Jon Snow though.

Servo · 05-29-2012, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mal

Mest was referring to Bronn, not Podric. I agree with him that Bronn could take the Hound.

I don't know how they're presented on the show, but my assessment based on the source material is there's no fucking way Bronn would beat Sandor.

Edit-All things being equal that is (i.e. Sandor not roaring drunk as he is many times)

ACt · 05-29-2012, 10:29 PM

So, just watched episode 9 and I'm not even going to spoiler this.

Stannis Baratheon. WHAT. THE. FUCK. Honestly? Stannis in the vanguard? Stannis FIRST up the siege ladders?!?! First up those laters ALWAYS DIES! Holy crap I can't believe that Martin even wrote that!! Stannis believes it is his god given right to be king - everyone else can spill their blood so he can be king.

I don't even know how to defend how they've done his character. Idiocy.

Everything else was pretty darn good, though I'm guessing the whole episode will be largely devoted to Danaerys and perhaps a little Arya and Rob.

As for these fights - only guy who would give Sandor a good fight is his brother. Which never happened, unless you're going to believe the wild theories from book speculators. Of course, given what Martin has done...

***Shino*** · 05-29-2012, 11:48 PM

@Mal - You're right, I forgot all about Bronn. In which case, I believe Bronn could beat Sandor, though it would be extremely close if Sandor wasn't piss drunk.

**Mal** · 05-30-2012, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Servo

I don't know how they're presented on the show, but my assessment based on the source material is there's no fucking way Bronn would beat Sandor.

Edit-All things being equal that is (i.e. Sandor not roaring drunk as he is many times)

I won't be reading the books for a while, but the show seems to present them as fairly even but with vastly different styles. Sandor fights very stiff and straight forward, parries and strikes simultaneously with little wasted movement; Bronn is much more fluid and evasive, looking for the chance to strike rather than overpowering his opponent's defenses.

Based on how the show presents these styles, I think Bronn would likely be able to avoid Sandor's attacks just long enough to strike.

Shrike · 05-30-2012, 07:59 AM

The episode was awesome...aside from the very very bad scene with Sandor and Bronn which made them both speak words which are completely out of character and the fact that Stannis charged first. What the hell. Everything else was nothing short of amazing. I am surprised I liked it so much.

ACt · 05-30-2012, 08:04 AM

Yeah, but that's the problem with real life - very tough to find actors who are both large and agile. From my memory, the Clegane brothers were both excellent warriors beyond being brutes. Hard to kill and fight because they were big, strong and fast whereas in the show they just chop people in half. Monsters. And Sandor is supposed to be the quick one. Bronn's advantage was also being unnoble in his manner (victory at the Eyrie). They've also made Bronn far more sauve in this show which gives him more mystique. He was a brute himself, albeit an intelligent brute, in the books.

There were few who could match the Clegane brothers (couple of the Kingsguard, Jamie especially, Briene on some level, one or two of the Night's watch and, of course, the Red Viper.) so I still would say Bronn would lose. But I see how the show makes the case against it.

Tzu Men · 05-30-2012, 08:34 AM

I think Quarth's been pretty dull this season but I'm looking forward to the season finale. Last season the dragon birth scene managed to top Ned's execution, at least in giving you something to look forward to, and so I'm curious as to what can pique the battle that just passed.

***Demi-God*** · 05-30-2012, 09:00 AM

I liked that Stannis charged in first, 'twas badass.

I'm reading alongside the show now and I'm treating the two as different stories, I would get bored if I was just seeing an exact repeat of what was in the book so I'm glad they've changed a few things, even if they are character traits.

Though I do wonder if they'll introduce the Reed children later on, I understand leaving out some minor characters so that the viewers don't get too confused, but the Reeds seem more important than that. Maybe in the 3rd Season somehow.

***Demi-God*** · 05-30-2012, 09:29 AM

Season 3 Casting - May be a spoiler to some:

ACt · 05-30-2012, 10:07 AM

Beric Dondarrion is a character they can really mess up. He's minor but important (and a good character), so I hope they get the feeling right.

You aren't supposed to like Stannis though. The whole thing seemed stupid rather than the intelligent, cold calculating ruler he's supposed to be. People don't LIKE Stannis. People would like a leader willing to risk dangers with his men - which was supposed to be the whole goodwill that Tyrion was to get for defending the city by actually fighting. Of course...

Qarth has been boring. but then, I've found most of danaery's chapters are pretty boring after the exits of Drogo and Viserys. The good news is that they'll pick up a bit with Strong Belwas and Whitebeard. The Houses of the Undying should be a good finale though.

Shrike · 05-30-2012, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ACt

Yeah, but that's the problem with real life - very tough to find actors who are both large and agile. From my memory, the Clegane brothers were both excellent warriors beyond being brutes. Hard to kill and fight because they were big, strong and fast whereas in the show they just chop people in half. Monsters. And Sandor is supposed to be the quick one. Bronn's advantage was also being unnoble in his manner (victory at the Eyrie). They've also made Bronn far more sauve in this show which gives him more mystique. He was a brute himself, albeit an intelligent brute, in the books.

I never imagined Bronn as a brute. I always thought of him as a quick and very capable fighter who is quite intelligent. Sandor was, in my mind's eye, always large, but quicker than Gregor. Indeed, Sandor from the show doesn't show much of the Sandor from the books, especially in character if you ask me, but he is still okay.

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Originally Posted by ACt

There were few who could match the Clegane brothers (couple of the Kingsguard, Jamie especially, Briene on some level, one or two of the Night's watch and, of course, the Red Viper.) so I still would say Bronn would lose. But I see how the show makes the case against it.

I am not sure, it would be a good fight, but I would also go with Sandor for the winner if he ever fought Bronn. Sandor is as intelligent as Bronn is and definitely a better fighter. I am just not sure if he is as quick as Bronn is, and he should be.

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Originally Posted by ACt

Beric Dondarrion is a character they can really mess up. He's minor but important (and a good character), so I hope they get the feeling right.

You aren't supposed to like Stannis though. The whole thing seemed stupid rather than the intelligent, cold calculating ruler he's supposed to be. People don't LIKE Stannis. People would like a leader willing to risk dangers with his men - which was supposed to be the whole goodwill that Tyrion was to get for defending the city by actually fighting. Of course...

Qarth has been boring. but then, I've found most of danaery's chapters are pretty boring after the exits of Drogo and Viserys. The good news is that they'll pick up a bit with Strong Belwas and Whitebeard. The Houses of the Undying should be a good finale though.

I dunno, I somewhat like Stannis. I like that he is persistent in his ideals. I like that he is iron fist. I like that he keeps to his character no matter what. Indeed, his character doesn't leave much to be liked, but as I said, his morals and attitude is what I, well, respect about him.

Daenerys was always boring for me. There were a few chapters in four goddamn books that I liked. That speaks volumes. I find her really boring, too. Honestly, she had more character when she was remembering the red door then she has now.

ACt · 05-30-2012, 11:27 AM

Maybe I'm using brute to broadly. What I was implying was that Bronn is a fighter, always and ever. He has no scruples so long as he wins. He was never the biggest or the strongest or even the fastest (I think the books give that to Loras and Jamie) but he always sets out to win. Like a physical manifestation of Tyrion's mind. He's a mercenary brawler who finds a way to survive any situation. I don't mean brute as "big dumb strong" but rather in this sense. And yes, he'd definitely give Sandor a good fight.

I kinda envision Bronn similar to how most of us write Miburo, though with a bit less of the Viking bravado and smaller.

Also, I understand the character of Stannis and it is likeable in the sense of honour, but as a character within the story, you are loyal and dutiful to Stannis, but you don't like or love him. He's a ruler who holds to a definite line of justice and ideals... but he's not lovable. He's not a character who lead men into battle. He's a character who takes people to battle and expects them to fight for him, because that is what his right as being the "rightful" heir to Westros.

***Demi-God*** · 05-30-2012, 11:47 AM

Phil, maybe I should clarify that, I don't like Stannis in a kind of "Oh he would be so fun to be around!" kind of way, more that he's an interesting character to me and I always want to know more about him and am curious as to what he's doing, both the book and TV versions of him.

**Mal** · 05-30-2012, 09:51 PM

I'm the same Demi, I find Stannis interesting and want to see how he deals with situations that arise, but I don't particularly like him and won't really care when he dies.

05-29-2012, 10:29 PM	#93
ACt Heart Wizard Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Halls of Irreverence Posts: 3,257 Thanks: 5,326 Thanked 18,706 Times in 4,853 Posts	Re: Game of Thrones and other TV shenanigans So, just watched episode 9 and I'm not even going to spoiler this. Stannis Baratheon. WHAT. THE. FUCK. Honestly? Stannis in the vanguard? Stannis FIRST up the siege ladders?!?! First up those laters ALWAYS DIES! Holy crap I can't believe that Martin even wrote that!! Stannis believes it is his god given right to be king - everyone else can spill their blood so he can be king. I don't even know how to defend how they've done his character. Idiocy. Everything else was pretty darn good, though I'm guessing the whole episode will be largely devoted to Danaerys and perhaps a little Arya and Rob. As for these fights - only guy who would give Sandor a good fight is his brother. Which never happened, unless you're going to believe the wild theories from book speculators. Of course, given what Martin has done... __________________ It's amazing to me that, unlike in the real world, people on the internet will wear "everyone thinks I'm a moron" as a badge of honour.

05-29-2012, 11:48 PM	#94
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05-30-2012, 07:59 AM	#96
Shrike █▄ █▄█ █▄ ▀█▄ Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Silent Hill Posts: 5,164 Thanks: 7,887 Thanked 9,887 Times in 2,952 Posts	Re: Game of Thrones and other TV shenanigans The episode was awesome...aside from the very very bad scene with Sandor and Bronn which made them both speak words which are completely out of character and the fact that Stannis charged first. What the hell. Everything else was nothing short of amazing. I am surprised I liked it so much.

05-30-2012, 08:04 AM	#97
ACt Heart Wizard Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Halls of Irreverence Posts: 3,257 Thanks: 5,326 Thanked 18,706 Times in 4,853 Posts	Re: Game of Thrones and other TV shenanigans Yeah, but that's the problem with real life - very tough to find actors who are both large and agile. From my memory, the Clegane brothers were both excellent warriors beyond being brutes. Hard to kill and fight because they were big, strong and fast whereas in the show they just chop people in half. Monsters. And Sandor is supposed to be the quick one. Bronn's advantage was also being unnoble in his manner (victory at the Eyrie). They've also made Bronn far more sauve in this show which gives him more mystique. He was a brute himself, albeit an intelligent brute, in the books. There were few who could match the Clegane brothers (couple of the Kingsguard, Jamie especially, Briene on some level, one or two of the Night's watch and, of course, the Red Viper.) so I still would say Bronn would lose. But I see how the show makes the case against it. __________________ It's amazing to me that, unlike in the real world, people on the internet will wear "everyone thinks I'm a moron" as a badge of honour.

05-30-2012, 08:34 AM	#98
Tzu Men hostis humani generis Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 714 Thanks: 4,014 Thanked 2,700 Times in 861 Posts	Re: Game of Thrones and other TV shenanigans I think Quarth's been pretty dull this season but I'm looking forward to the season finale. Last season the dragon birth scene managed to top Ned's execution, at least in giving you something to look forward to, and so I'm curious as to what can pique the battle that just passed.

05-30-2012, 09:00 AM	#99
*Demi-God* BEST Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,263 Thanks: 2,813 Thanked 6,862 Times in 2,437 Posts	Re: Game of Thrones and other TV shenanigans I liked that Stannis charged in first, 'twas badass. I'm reading alongside the show now and I'm treating the two as different stories, I would get bored if I was just seeing an exact repeat of what was in the book so I'm glad they've changed a few things, even if they are character traits. Though I do wonder if they'll introduce the Reed children later on, I understand leaving out some minor characters so that the viewers don't get too confused, but the Reeds seem more important than that. Maybe in the 3rd Season somehow.

05-30-2012, 09:29 AM	#100
*Demi-God* BEST Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,263 Thanks: 2,813 Thanked 6,862 Times in 2,437 Posts	Re: Game of Thrones and other TV shenanigans Season 3 Casting - May be a spoiler to some: Ha, I was right, in your face... someone! Casting news for Season 3 http://winteriscoming.net/2012/05/ew...-is-blackfish/ Looking forward to seeing the Reeds and Thoros mostly.

05-30-2012, 10:07 AM	#101
ACt Heart Wizard Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Halls of Irreverence Posts: 3,257 Thanks: 5,326 Thanked 18,706 Times in 4,853 Posts	Re: Game of Thrones and other TV shenanigans Beric Dondarrion is a character they can really mess up. He's minor but important (and a good character), so I hope they get the feeling right. You aren't supposed to like Stannis though. The whole thing seemed stupid rather than the intelligent, cold calculating ruler he's supposed to be. People don't LIKE Stannis. People would like a leader willing to risk dangers with his men - which was supposed to be the whole goodwill that Tyrion was to get for defending the city by actually fighting. Of course... Qarth has been boring. but then, I've found most of danaery's chapters are pretty boring after the exits of Drogo and Viserys. The good news is that they'll pick up a bit with Strong Belwas and Whitebeard. The Houses of the Undying should be a good finale though. __________________ It's amazing to me that, unlike in the real world, people on the internet will wear "everyone thinks I'm a moron" as a badge of honour.

05-30-2012, 11:27 AM	#103
ACt Heart Wizard Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Halls of Irreverence Posts: 3,257 Thanks: 5,326 Thanked 18,706 Times in 4,853 Posts	Re: Game of Thrones and other TV shenanigans Maybe I'm using brute to broadly. What I was implying was that Bronn is a fighter, always and ever. He has no scruples so long as he wins. He was never the biggest or the strongest or even the fastest (I think the books give that to Loras and Jamie) but he always sets out to win. Like a physical manifestation of Tyrion's mind. He's a mercenary brawler who finds a way to survive any situation. I don't mean brute as "big dumb strong" but rather in this sense. And yes, he'd definitely give Sandor a good fight. I kinda envision Bronn similar to how most of us write Miburo, though with a bit less of the Viking bravado and smaller. Also, I understand the character of Stannis and it is likeable in the sense of honour, but as a character within the story, you are loyal and dutiful to Stannis, but you don't like or love him. He's a ruler who holds to a definite line of justice and ideals... but he's not lovable. He's not a character who lead men into battle. He's a character who takes people to battle and expects them to fight for him, because that is what his right as being the "rightful" heir to Westros. __________________ It's amazing to me that, unlike in the real world, people on the internet will wear "everyone thinks I'm a moron" as a badge of honour.

05-30-2012, 11:47 AM	#104
*Demi-God* BEST Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,263 Thanks: 2,813 Thanked 6,862 Times in 2,437 Posts	Re: Game of Thrones and other TV shenanigans Phil, maybe I should clarify that, I don't like Stannis in a kind of "Oh he would be so fun to be around!" kind of way, more that he's an interesting character to me and I always want to know more about him and am curious as to what he's doing, both the book and TV versions of him.

05-30-2012, 09:51 PM	#105
Mal Scotch Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,102 Thanks: 12,874 Thanked 10,828 Times in 3,841 Posts	Re: Game of Thrones and other TV shenanigans I'm the same Demi, I find Stannis interesting and want to see how he deals with situations that arise, but I don't particularly like him and won't really care when he dies.

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