Konnaha_yellow_flash

Did u even read those other guys posts??? They are posting absolute crap with no factual basis in the manga and u are eating up.. lol, WTF is wrong with u people... u can see a dog when its obviously a cat in the picture... and even said to be a cat...

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prez420

What natures are fused to create the Sharingan and Byakugan? I don't think they are the same chakra natures but I could be wrong because I haven't been able to find the answer in the manga.

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xxMESTxx

Isn't that what you've been doing this whole time? Hypocrisy much.

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kael03

I'm just gonna go with "Wow, you're stupid" and leave it at that now.

Konnaha_yellow_flash

The manga states... "hashirama's cells were implanted to boost danzous chakra to use so many SG's..."... nothing about shisui's arm, WTF!

what about "mokuton (hashirama's power) so thats how a nonuchiha can use so many SGs"..."Oro u bastard u must have stayed in contact with danzou"http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/478/10
"He (Oro) implanted hashirama's cells to boost his energy"...http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/478/11

hashirama's power to use so many SGs not shisuis...!!! And if shisui's arm had the power to use so many SG's and his Kotoamatsukami then why would hashirama's power be necessary??

Its the chakra of hashirama being used lol... since its his cells that are implanted not shisui's arm...(confirmed!!!) and u are right it does not say shit about shisui's arm because its not there... u are saying something that is not there, is there....
The reason shisui must have hashirama-like chakra is due to the fact his chakra was compared to hashirama's.... because danzou did not have shisui's arm!! WHat would be its purpose???

Hashirama chakra>>>>uchiha chakra... even to use the SG's power.. this is proven by the fact uchiha chakra can only create an EMS at its best, but hashirama's chakra can take it even further creating the RG from the SG....

tell me hy shisui's arm is necessary when hashirama's chakra, a far Superior chakra, is already in the arm of danzou???

Doofus... the fact danzou only had hashirama's cells in his arm to use his power and not uchiha shisui's arm is the reason why and the proof!!!

:Shisui's chakra was seen in danzou's arm, but its confirmed that hasirama's cells are in danzou's arm to use his power...

anzou does not have shisui's arm.. confirmed by the manga now that danzou is dead even kabuto stated that danzou only had shisui's eye....

:The power of shisui's MS is trapped in his eye so it cannot flow into danzous arm...

conclusion: shisui's chakra was recognized despite the fact hashirama's chakra was actually in the arm from cell implantation... thus shisui and hashirama had very similar chakra...


Did kishi say that it was mistaken? Did he even imply that any where in the manga it was mistake? No, It's only what you're saying and what you want to believe.


ur link proved nothing, didn't even say anything about shisui or imply anything... the link has nothing to do with this argument lol, it talk about edo tensai nothing else... ur link represents ur argument about shisui's arm with danzou... there is nothing there lol!!!!

And where is it said about shisui's arm along with hashirama's cells??? Im waiting??? because danzou lost his arm to hashirama's chakra getting out of control, not shisui's... not even a single mention of shisui's cells so WTF are u guys thinking??


No!!! Kabuto knew danzou had shisui's eye so he would have known about the arm if it was there.... Oro implanted hashirama's cells in danzou's arm so kabuto knew obviously... and if kabuto said nothing about shisui's arm then its not there... it confirms it...

proof shisui's body was found??? A pic of his dead body please.... u have nothing....


That is exactly what I exspected from u considering the shit argument u put up... if u actually knew what u were talking about on this subject then u wouldn't need just insults as an argument...

Danzou did not have shisui's arm... its proven by the manga since danzou is dead and eveything about his arm, shoulder and eye have been revealed...

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People live relying on they're Knowledge and Perception, and thus are bound to them.....
Those Boundaries are what they tend to accept as "Reality".....
However..... Knowledge and Perception are both ambiguous....
so "Reality" could be nothing more....
then an illusion....

ITACHI UCHIHA

jekyl_hyde

kael03... you inspired me to find this.

Gamabunta

Need AIDs, quote the whore and spread the disease...

Numinous

Well, if Kael couldn't bother, so why should I. I'll just stick with this post, since you desperately need glasses.

The fuck? I wasn't trying to prove the cliff they're on is not horizontal (although it isn't horizontal... and it's horizontal the word you're looking for, even means something else), I was trying to prove that Shisui isn't as tall as Tobi. Which he isn't.

Except I have proof the cliff they're on is not horizontal. Look at the cliffs beyond them in the top left panel and in the middle panel. One minute they're horizontal, the next they're sloping downwards, despite no hint in the top left panel about that slope? Now if you consider that the middle panel has an angle to it, it makes sense. And if it's in an angle, that means the cliff they're in is not horizontal, but rather sloping downwards towards its edge. That's why I draw those lines like that, to compensate the angle the panel is in.

Except the surface is not horizontal as I proved and there's an added factor to Shisui's height: proximity from the source of perspective (think of the Sun and the moon). Since he's closer to such source, he'll look bigger, even if slightly.

That's even WORSE for your argument, since the height difference is SMALLER in that panel than in the middle one. At least I can justify that difference, since Shisui is in a lower position than Itachi (since he's closer to the edge) and Itachi is closer to the source of perspective in the top left panel. What's your excuse if in both panels being discussed the ground is even?

Because perspective comparisons are made like that, dimwit.

1. You can't use the cliff they're in because it's not horizontal and we don't see a panel showing the cliff they're in being truly horizontal, while we have a panel of the cliffs beyond them being horizontal and not being horizontal in the following panel, giving something to truly compare and reveal to us there's an angle to the middle panel, so the cliff is sloping, therefore having to compensate the angle using the cliffs beyond them.
2. You never compare size of objects with objects closer to them, only with objects at the same distance or farther (but not by much). Again, the Sun and Moon perspective from Earth is living proof of this.

Because it's impossible by itself, only by comparison with the previous panel shows anyone with a brain that the cliff they're on is uneven.
Too bad none of those is true.

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No one is denying the fact that the manga states about hashiramas cell.

Remember manga also states shisui dies: "The suicide by drowning in the nakano river" (please do not ignore that line it's directly from the manga and don't say what that line means, it's means exactly what it says and no the manga did NOT say or confirm it was a SUPPOSEDLY suicide). The only way for them to know it was a suicide and know it was in nakano river confirms and proves they found the body.

Also (forget the pictures and just READ) what itachi says in this link: http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v58/c550/11.html

READ: " he asked me to hide it's existence and DIED SILENTLY" yes the manga stated that . Yes DIED means he died and SILENTLY referring to no one knew except itachi since he was telling the story.

I noticed one of your post you said he disappeared silently: A big NO. The manga did NOT use the word "disappear" it used the word "DIED"

Just like your saying shisui is alive where the MANGA mentioned twice of his death which I provided above (please don't say it proves nothing, the lines quoted from the manga does, not me).

No, that is your your reason from yourself NOT from the manga. You used the words "must have" and "due to the FACT" like it was stated the manga but it WASN'T. OR provide me the link for that with quoting the lines where it says shisui-hashirama chakra are ALIKE and it was compared. There wasn't ANY comparison at all in the manga of shisui and hashirama's chakra.

So I think everyone, well I at least agree with you on that.

Yes hashirama's chakra is superior for physical boost. The manga said it has shisuis color of chakra running through his arm: that can't be possible without shisuis arm and shoulders being present: "The colour of his chakra on his right shoulder and arm...even his right eyes...no doubt about it's uchiha shisui's colour" Notice it mentioned the shoulders, arms and the eyes together has the same colour. This implicates, it's shisui's eye's and his shoulder and his arm .

You saying he used hashiramas cells to use the power, I agree because the manga states and proves that. But saying this is the reason why it's not shisui is NO proof; it's only your reasoning.

How was shisui's chakra seen in danzou's arm without his arm being there? (and no I do NOT want hear again about shisui-hashi chakra alike and being compared as manga don't say anything about that). Unless if you can prove that (from the manga not from yourself), shisui's chakra on danzous arm is coming from his eyes .

No it's not confirmed by the manga (FROM YOU). The only thing confirmed is he implanted hashi's cells, this does NOT mean it isn't shisui's arm, but it is shisui's arm due to his chakra being present in his arm<FROM MANGA)

What? there you go again chatting about having similar chakra (FROM YOU, NOT MANGA). "shisui's chakra being recognised despite hashirama's chakra was actually...etc) has got no connection of shisui and hashi chakra being similar, you just added a tail that don't need a tail.


Sorry dude, posted the wrong link, here it is:

http://www.mangapanda.com/93-22827-1...apter-459.html

It does say danzous chakra has the colour of uchiha shisui's. In order to have the same chakra as shisuis he must have shisuis arm.

http://www.mangareader.net/93-227-9/...apter-222.html


proof shisui's body was found??? A pic of his dead body please.... u have nothing....
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Proven above from the manga and read what I said again:
"Infact shisui's was found by the uchiha police force and it clearly stated that he commited suicide by DROWNING, if they didn't find that body they couldn't have made the conclusion of the fact that he drowned. And shisui commiting the suicide was a off-panel because kishi just thought it wasn't important. But the uchihas clearly stated in the manga he died in the drowning in the river"

and NO a picture of a dead body doesn't have to confirm that shisui died, where it clearly confirmed by words (from itachi and uchiha police force) that he did. So are you saying you just ignore the whole script of the manga and decide just by looking at the pictures, isn't that what a 4 years old does, they do not read except flip pages.

kael03

By the way, KYF, there's a very good reason why Kabuto didn't say anything about using Danzo's arm to bring back Shisui: IT HAD BEEN RIPPED OFF WHEN HASHIRAMA'S CELLS WENT BERSERK.

Also, here's a question for you: if Shisui did have Hashirama-like chakra and was capable of using Kotoamatsukami more than once a decade, why would he give up his remaining eye to Itachi after using Kotoamatsukami to try to stop the coup? Why wouldn't he continue to try to manipulate people into peace with it if he could use it once a day, like Danzo, or more frequently?

xxMESTxx

Or..how about you actually tell everybody where YOU think the arm came from. Look at Danzou with everything revealed. You'd have to be a complete fucking idiot to believe that's Danzou's actual arm. So explain to me, where did this arm come from, and if it wasn't Shisui's why did it produce Shisui's chakra? You know, like Danzou's right eye..which was also one of Shisui's body parts.

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UzumakiUchiha

You know that is a good point why kabuto did not mention about shisui's arm, as it states "at this rate shodai's cell will swallow me whole" and it did swallow his right arm and shoulder, and also we can see that the arm completely changed into mokuton/tree, it would be completely useless for edo tensei to bring back shisui.

UzumakiUchiha

For the sake of argument, let's just say we agree with KYF of shisui being alive (he obviously is NOT). After he gave out his last eye to itachi, I got 2 questions

1) where can he possible go while being blind?

2) What can he possible do or achieve without any eyes?

Numinous

My answer is:



Totally canon.

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UzumakiUchiha

You know I would be laughing my head OFF when tobi is revealed and he is not shisui. That would make my day and I wonder what would KYF respond to that be when that happens. He will have no choice to admit he was wrong but still covering himself on some points and blame kishi for it (just like his theory of izanami being opposite izanagi; I liked the idea but it was wrong).

However, if surprisingly tobi turns out to be shisui, there is no question that KYF IS KISHI,who is just trolling in this forum . I mean it has to be, that is the only rational explanation I can think of from my little brain