jeanericuser

Either way its still a better story than twilight.

The Special One

I see. Fine work, young chap.

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stubborn_d0nkey

KYF can definitely be creative, but what is in his SIG has nothing to do with creativity (or at least it shouldn't). Stupidity is probably a correct description, whether its politically correct or not.

Let me give it a try:

Where do you think Orochimaru learned horcruxes from?

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Vishnu

He kinda looks a little like Voldemort. Except the hair.

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MrAdam

Just a shot. I would say Tobi is Obito's father. He was an Uchiha, we know nothing about him. He could take second eye of son's and get special abillity = vortex jutsu which is similar to Kamui. Possibly have reasons for revenge, he could blame Konoha and especially Minato for Obito's death. We know Minato was his Sensei. He would also know everything about Kakashi and Gai. When he attacked Konoha with Kyuubi, Kakashi was 16, it'd be 4 years after Obito's death? Am I right?

Vengeance

I stopped reading after this. Isn't this a theory KYF made a while back?

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krurk

Everything was/is a KYF theory, guy has a new one every three days.


Anyway, I did see someone comment and say Tobi could be a portion of Madara, which is possible but I think Tobi took up the mantle of Madara after Minato called him by the name when they were fighting, because he never admits too being Madara but he does find it interesting.

Kishi really has not hinted at who Tobi could be, he uses a Space Time jutsu, which makes people think Obito, he is clearly older which makes people think Shisui, he continues to say he is nobody which makes people think he is Kagami.

I personally think all three of these would be pretty lame, I'd be more impressed if Tobi turned out to somehow be related to Naruto, Uzumaki or Namikaze, it would be more interesting in my personal opinion.

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1. Naruto's act 1 was really good

2. Part Two started off alright, it introduced new characters and it continued to show the same potential, honestly, the story had a lot of promise up until the Pain Arc.

3. Pain Arc occurs and all Leaf ninja are revived after they were slaughtered, this started the failing of Kishi because he won't kill off main charcters.

4. Kage Summit was a tad disappointing simply because we didn't see any of the charcters that SHOULD have been introduced during the chuunin exams.

5. The War has been epicly disappointing because Kishi is killing off Edo's in a matter of one chapter when each edo (Kages, Swordsman, Nagato and Itachi) when they should get around 4 or 5 chapters of dedication.

Kishi started cutting the story shorter, his chapters have gotten shorter from 21 pages to 17 per week,

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Amuro

Psshhh this again hu? Well I love to speculate so imma have fun with this. I think I'm goin to stick to my original idea that I posted a while back. Actually act mentioned something like it, not sayin he stole it but it's similar I guess great minds do...

I think tobii is a zetsu clone that madara made after his fight with the first. I'm not sure when he met zetsu but he knew him after the vote fight. (He told kabuto he made that zetsu/first hokoge thing after his fight with the first.) I think Madara was injured after his fight so he cloned himself and infused some of his chakra in him. Prob even gave a eye. I think that Madara was maimed and couldn't be perfect, so tobi's job was to create nagato so he could revive Madara in his full form (nagato was supposed to use the tech on him remember)He was shocked that kabuto revived him with all of HIS enhancements and gt pissed wen kabuto tried to claim it as his own. Madara found out how to gt the rinnigan an died before it was awakened. He also didn't have time to test out his new powers (hashis power) so he did on the kages. Anyway tobi probably saw something's or was corrupted somehow and decided to do things a lil different. So that's where we are now. Moons eye, edo madara and I am no one, cause he isn't ^_^.

It's jumbled and confusing but...ya my 2 cents

ninjalostboy95

An old friend of kakashi and Gai?

ACt

OK - let's go through it. Tobi is either:

Madara.
Madara's brother.
Zetzu clone of Madara.
Zetzu clone with the sharingan.
Obito.
Shisui.
Sasuke's father.
Some random Uchiha.
Some random ninja from another nation who stole a shit load of sharigans, probably with help from Danzo.
Minato.
The second Hokage.
That Uchiha who hung out with the second hokage.
Jiraiya.
Jiraiya's evil twin.
Hilary Clinton.

Did I get them all? Oh, hell, I'll add one more - an Orochimaru genetic testing child in an attempt to create the powers of Uchiha Madara, just as Yamato was a test to recreate Hashirama. DNA testing, wooooo!

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jekyl_hyde

You forgot Rikudo Sennin's wife/mistress. She's the one who gave birth to the two sons, and he's the one who gets all the credit. The infinite tsukuyomi is her way of cleaning up the mess by her dead-beat husband and dead-beat kids who always complained about who had more candy and what not.

Vishnu

Or Aizen. He could be Aizen.

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Konnaha_yellow_flash

For the love of god... Since when does both combatants have to be trying to kill each other for it to be a death match... WHen naruto fought sasuke, although naruto was not trying to kill sasuke, sasuke was trying to kill him. Thus naruto was fighting a death match. When madara said he fought a death match against hashirama it still could of been the circumstances of Hashirama fighting to kill madara while madara was merely fighting to gain hashirama or a portion of him for experimentation. Even though both are not fighitng with the intention to kill, it could still be a death match as long as one is.

Explain to me how this makes no sense to u exactly...

DO not be a dick... I came up with that theory of tobi a long time ago... its is very plausible, but after a while I began to believe it was too elaborate for kishi to do in this manga so I pretty much gave up on it... Now I am just convinced its shisui running around behind the mask...

Anyways, Bakc on topic: Two things that I think should be considered when determining who tobi could be...

1. tobi, the masked man was trying to make eveyone believe he was madara uchiha... someone that was supposed to be dead, but still was alive. However, it turned out that the person we though was alive "madara" was actually dead... then, of all dead people in the manag, kabuto confirmed that the one person who was supposed to be dead may actually be the one who is alive because his body is missing... SHisui...
Think about it... Tobi tries to convince everyone he is a person who is supposed to be dead, but must be alive, but still turns out to be dead. So, if tobi is not that dead person who was supposed to be alive then he must be the only other dead person who is likely still alive... SHisui... the same hair, body, height, Simlar MS abilities, special chakra, connection to the mist and the control of yagura, ect ect.

2. For some reason shisui had two MS genjutsu eyes when he should of had the normal one genjutsu MS eye and one ninjutsu MS eye... IMO, he must of had the normal MS line up... but a little different... If shisui did have two MS genjutsu eyes after awakening his MS, then its likely that he was able to use a physical ninjutsu and genjutsu with each eye, as opposed with only one or the other eye...
Its so very unlikely that shisui ONLY awaken two MS genjutsu eyes because uchiha's who awaken the MS get one ninjutsu and one genjutsu ability. However, because of shisui's special chakra (IMO hashirama-like meaning he could of been a senju uchiha hybrid or Uzumaki uchiha hybrid) which allowed him to awaken MS with two of the same abilities for each eye just as the RG, the MS's final form, which has seven of the same abilities for each eye which is why only one eye is necessary to use all the RG jutsu...
IMO, shisui's MS is like this too... and is the reason tobi wields only one MS level eye... due to its ability to use a ninjutsu and genjutsu while the SG eye is used for a Izanagi defense if he really gets in trouble.

I know, but shisui gave away both his eyes... However, we never actually saw the eye danzou had as a MS like itachi's... It could have simply been a SG with an ability similar to kotoamatsukami due to it being powered by hashirama's chakra which is likely what powered shisui's Kotoamatsukami...

(pure speculation) SHisui most likely gave his eye to danzou since danzou had no way to take shisui's eye with force considering how much weaker danzou was, However, SHisui used Kotoamatsukami to convince danzou the eye he gave him was actually his MS eye.... SO when danzou used hashirama's chakra to perform a genjutsu with the SG shisui gave him, it would create a similar mind control jutsu capable of controlling a person, but not someone of sasukes level with the EMS or edo tensai...
Its due to hashirama's chakra that shisui was able to awaken Kotoamatsukami so he knew if danzou used hashirama's chakra with a SG it would produce a similar genjutsu...

Again, speculation, but how do u explain why shisui had two MS genjutsu eyes and not one ninjutsu and one genjutsu as its supposed to be... IMO, probably because shisui did have a ninjutsu he awakened... its just that he could use two of the same abilities (a ninjutsua and genjutsu) with each eye, not one or the other....

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Lord Blackheart

um, it's stated that Danzou forced the one "right" eye from Shisui and that the other was indebted to the protection of Konoha and given to Itachi.

We are not very sure who tobi is but many of us have come up with some very creative yet interesting theories.

Lord Blackheart

I don't think tobi is shisui. At first I had thought it was really possible, especially with the last chapter to come out. Tobi made those two statements to Kakashi and Guy making some kind of reference of knowing them. Shisui would have been in the same age group as Itachi, Guy and Kakashi too. Shisui body was also never found by Kabuto of all people. This is another plausible sign that he might have something to do with Tobi. What if that is where Sasuke, Orichmaru ect are going? What if their were 3 people that were apart of the coup instead the two we know of right now? Nevertheless, that just one theory.


Tobi = Izuna?

1. They are brothers that competed with each other all the time.

2. Itachi said Madara forced the eyes from Izuna. However, Tobi had mentioned that he gave them up honorably and that the brothers were very close. (Is Itachi or Tobi lying? And, what would they achieve from lying about it other than retaining Izunas honor?)

3. Izuna was said to be killed in battle, yet again, every other character has been summoned back to fight in the 4th war. Even 3 of the Hokages have come back in the manga through EDO. What is interesting about that, Kabuto never took Madara's eyes (izunas) from his dead body before summoning him. Why summon Madara and not Izuna too if they are considered equals?? Itachi came back with his powers and a set of eyes, it's not like Izuna couldn't have eyes transplanted in him too.