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Old 07-31-2012, 02:51 PM   #166
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KYF, i agreee with most of that except about sasuke being faster than Raikage. That fight was pure plot protection. Goes back to what rock leee said, what good is sharingan if it cannot keep up with the speed of an opponent.
The Pope would convert to Islam before KYF recognizes Sasuke isn't that fast compared to the top tier in speed.

Speaking of the devil, why am I not surprised he spent an entire post stroking his theory as he pleased and didn't even bother to respond to my question? Surely such a person dedicated to theories would have an informed opinion on the origins of biodiversity.
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In the Nardo verse you don't need to be fast when you have SusanoO.
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KYF, i agreee with most of that except about sasuke being faster than Raikage. That fight was pure plot protection. Goes back to what rock leee said, what good is sharingan if it cannot keep up with the speed of an opponent.
I never said sasuke is faster then the raikages top speed in super mode, thus my comment "sasuke was capable of keeping up with raikage in raiton armour mode and even srupass him, avoiding an attack of his own while avoiding the raikages..."...

So sasuke>Raikage in basic raiton armour... but raikage in super mode raiton armour>Sasuke obviously...

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The Pope would convert to Islam before KYF recognizes Sasuke isn't that fast compared to the top tier in speed.

Speaking of the devil, why am I not surprised he spent an entire post stroking his theory as he pleased and didn't even bother to respond to my question? Surely such a person dedicated to theories would have an informed opinion on the origins of biodiversity.
Sasuke is top tier fast so what manga are you reading???

You know the guy you believe is so damn fast because he could use the huge amount of yang chakra to increase his reflexes and power his shushin to avoid the raikages speed punch after getting a head start to make it easier to see raikages attack as well as react...
You know, naruto, the one who couldn't even get past raikage in basic raiton armour because he was too fast despite being in RSM yang chakra kyuubi mode.. seen here...http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/543/4
and here...http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/543/5
Naruto even recognizes raikages speed as something amazing because its able to keep up with and surpass his own even in kyuubi chakra mode...http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/541/6

And you know, that same version of raikage was kept up with and even out maneuvered with a slight more speed by sasuke as shown here...
(Sasuke gets behind raikage attacking with chidori gatana, but its deflected leaving sauske to back off 10 meters to use a regular chidori... both charge at the same time, from the same distance...)http://www.mangapanda.com/93-31099-1...apter-462.html
(Sasuke then out maneuvers raikage avoiding his elbow while landing his own attack which stops the raikage in his tracks)http://www.mangapanda.com/93-31674-1...apter-463.html
See! sasuke out maneuvered the raikage which naruto in kyuubi chakra mode could not even do until he got a head big start...http://www.mangapanda.com/93-31674-2...apter-463.html

Here naruto takes a head start, running in the direction of the raikages attack...(starts running in last panel)http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/544/10
(then continues to run even further which has to be a good distance considering naruto's speed in kyuubi chakra mode.. however, the raikage still caught naruto in an instant, showing his greater speed)http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/544/11
(but naruto avoided the attack using shushin which is why hes such a distance from raikage...)http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/544/12

However, raikage is still obviously faster which is why he caught naruto in a instant despite his head start... Factually, the only reason naruto was able to avoid raikages punch is because as an object moving at a high rate of speed, watching the raikage, when the raikage moves, even though its faster then naruto, naruto perceives raikage as moving slower then he actually is, if he was stationary at rest....

Its a matter of naruto moving ahead of the raikage at 100mph, at his distance of 30 meters... and the raikage even though moving at 200MPH, is perceived as moving slower then he actually is... because naruto is already in motion at a high speed at half the speed of the raikage himself... its the only reason naruto was able to perceive the raikages movement and react in time to avoid it...

Its much different then standing still, stationary as naruto was before when competing against the raikage in speed, when he was losing... Naruto stationary as he was before could of never reacted and avoided the raikages speed punch... considering he could not even out maneuver the raikages regular speed attacks...

Anyways... sasuke is one of the top tier shinobi in speed... along with itachi, raikage, naruto, nagato himself and Killerbee in human bijuu form (the form he blizted kisame with, busting his chest open)
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So... nothing on biodiversity? Okay, I just expected you to be better than to argue how a character that doesn't need speed at all somehow is the fastest hedgehog of the bunch, KYF.

Perhaps I overestimated your capability of running a conversation that doesn't include Naruto concepts.
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I never said sasuke is faster then the raikages top speed in super mode, thus my comment "sasuke was capable of keeping up with raikage in raiton armour mode and even srupass him, avoiding an attack of his own while avoiding the raikages..."...

So sasuke>Raikage in basic raiton armour... but raikage in super mode raiton armour>Sasuke obviously...



Sasuke is top tier fast so what manga are you reading???

You know the guy you believe is so damn fast because he could use the huge amount of yang chakra to increase his reflexes and power his shushin to avoid the raikages speed punch after getting a head start to make it easier to see raikages attack as well as react...
You know, naruto, the one who couldn't even get past raikage in basic raiton armour because he was too fast despite being in RSM yang chakra kyuubi mode.. seen here...http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/543/4
and here...http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/543/5
Naruto even recognizes raikages speed as something amazing because its able to keep up with and surpass his own even in kyuubi chakra mode...http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/541/6

And you know, that same version of raikage was kept up with and even out maneuvered with a slight more speed by sasuke as shown here...
(Sasuke gets behind raikage attacking with chidori gatana, but its deflected leaving sauske to back off 10 meters to use a regular chidori... both charge at the same time, from the same distance...)http://www.mangapanda.com/93-31099-1...apter-462.html
(Sasuke then out maneuvers raikage avoiding his elbow while landing his own attack which stops the raikage in his tracks)http://www.mangapanda.com/93-31674-1...apter-463.html
See! sasuke out maneuvered the raikage which naruto in kyuubi chakra mode could not even do until he got a head big start...http://www.mangapanda.com/93-31674-2...apter-463.html

Here naruto takes a head start, running in the direction of the raikages attack...(starts running in last panel)http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/544/10
(then continues to run even further which has to be a good distance considering naruto's speed in kyuubi chakra mode.. however, the raikage still caught naruto in an instant, showing his greater speed)http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/544/11
(but naruto avoided the attack using shushin which is why hes such a distance from raikage...)http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/544/12

However, raikage is still obviously faster which is why he caught naruto in a instant despite his head start... Factually, the only reason naruto was able to avoid raikages punch is because as an object moving at a high rate of speed, watching the raikage, when the raikage moves, even though its faster then naruto, naruto perceives Raikage as moving slower then he actually is, if he was stationary at rest....

Its a matter of naruto moving ahead of the raikage at 100mph, at his distance of 30 meters... and the raikage even though moving at 200MPH, is perceived as moving slower then he actually is... because naruto is already in motion at a high speed at half the speed of the raikage himself... its the only reason naruto was able to perceive the raikages movement and react in time to avoid it...

Its much different then standing still, stationary as naruto was before when competing against the raikage in speed, when he was losing... Naruto stationary as he was before could of never reacted and avoided the raikages speed punch... considering he could not even out maneuver the raikages regular speed attacks...

Anyways... sasuke is one of the top tier shinobi in speed... along with itachi, raikage, naruto, nagato himself and Killerbee in human bijuu form (the form he blitzed Kisame with, busting his chest open)
hmm last I checked Sasuke and Naruto in matter of reflexes were the same.
Naruto when FIGHTING someone has made shadow clones,out maneuvered and even set up more clones that are using transformation jutsu to hide, in a matter of moments!

Sasuke VS. Raikage was an ACTUAL fight, Naruto was ONLY trying to pass him! The reason Naruto evaded Raikage on the last try is because RAIKAGE was trying to KILL HIM. (it became a FIGHT for that instance.)

Remember Naruto came form nowhere and saved Sakura from being stabbed while she was inches away from Sasuke, that is speed. Naruto's reflexes in taijutsu have kept up with (almost)everyone he has fought, including Sasuke.

Raikage can run fast and is powerful. Minato teleported in an instant.
Naruto is NOT SLOW as SHIT, He is not the fastest. BUT he damn sure aint the slowest. RS mode makes him MOVE as fast as Minato's reflexes.Kurama chakra makes his Shushin quick as teleportation, but it is short range, he can ONLY move where he is looking.( he just has figured THAT out yet.)
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hmm last I checked Sasuke and Naruto in matter of reflexes were the same.
Naruto when FIGHTING someone has made shadow clones,out maneuvered and even set up more clones that are using transformation jutsu to hide, in a matter of moments!
Did you seriously just say sasuke and naruto's reflexes are about the same...!?!?

Sasuke's reflexes are ridiculous while naruto's are average at best... maybe not even that... sasuke has many feats of fast reflexes while naruto only has some while in kyuubi mode... at base naruto is slow...

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Sasuke VS. Raikage was an ACTUAL fight, Naruto was ONLY trying to pass him! The reason Naruto evaded Raikage on the last try is because RAIKAGE was trying to KILL HIM. (it became a FIGHT for that instance.)
Again, did you just say that^^^!?!?! Naruto was trying to pulverize the raikage to get out of his way after he knew he simply could not escape because the raikage was too fast... just look...(using force, not simply trying to get by as you put it...)http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/541/8
However, the raikages too fast for naruto in raiton armour...
Again, this time he attacked raikage while he was off guard, ATTACKED not tried to escape as you put it...http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/543/4
Again naruto fails...http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/543/5
Then fails again, this time even though he had KB's assistance...http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/543/7

Overwhelming evidence that naruto was trying to defeat the raikage in order to get by, not simply trying to escape... yet the raikage is clearly the faster shinobi...

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Remember Naruto came form nowhere and saved Sakura from being stabbed while she was inches away from Sasuke, that is speed. Naruto's reflexes in taijutsu have kept up with (almost)everyone he has fought, including Sasuke.
What manga are you reading... Naruto didn't have a speed feat by grabbing sakura before sasuke stabbed her because he was not any known distance away... he was hiding, concealed making it was an ambush feat... use of surprise, not speed...

Naruto has in no way ever kept up with sasuke in base mode... not even with Kage bushin's assisting him... I just cannot understand which manga you are reading to say these things...

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Raikage can run fast and is powerful. Minato teleported in an instant.
Naruto is NOT SLOW as SHIT, He is not the fastest. BUT he damn sure aint the slowest. RS mode makes him MOVE as fast as Minato's reflexes.Kurama chakra makes his Shushin quick as teleportation, but it is short range, he can ONLY move where he is looking.( he just has figured THAT out yet.)
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This takes the cake jericho... Naruto in RSM using shushin allows him to move as fast as minato's teleportation jutsu, the FTG...?!?!?! How do you see that exactly??? Minato's teleportation jutsu allowed him to move instantly between any distance... Naruto's RSM shushin coupled with a head start of moving full speed already ahead of the raikage in order to perceive his movements allowed him to dodge the raikages super punch... nothing more...
The raikage is still faster then naruto which he proved over and over in their many competitions against each other...

Hell, naruto's reflexes in RSM still are not as good as minato's at base because he was able to dodge a head on super punch while stationary giving him no advantages of perception.. he simply stood there and dodged the super punch which naruto did not do... he need a head start and enough distance between him and rai to avoid hi super punch...
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Did you seriously just say sasuke and Naruto's reflexes are about the same...!?!?
Sasuke's reflexes are ridiculous while Naruto's are average at best... maybe not even that... sasuke has many feats of fast reflexes while Naruto only has some while in Kyuubi mode... at base Naruto is slow...
If he was slower than Sasuke he would NOT have lasted against him at VotE.
he created clones and transformed then ALL to rocks surrounding Pein, without Pein even noticing. = SPEED


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Again, did you just say that^^^!?!?! Naruto was trying to pulverize the raikage to get out of his way after he knew he simply could not escape because the Raikage was too fast... just look...(using force, not simply trying to get by as you put it...)http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/541/8
However, the raikages too fast for naruto in raiton armour...
Again, this time he attacked raikage while he was off guard, ATTACKED not tried to escape as you put it...http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/543/4
Again Naruto fails...http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/543/5
Then fails again, this time even though he had KB's assistance...http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/543/7
Overwhelming evidence that Naruto was trying to defeat the Raikage in order to get by, not simply trying to escape... yet the Raikage is clearly the faster shinobi...
He passed his FASTEST ATTACK in the end meaning......{ Speed}

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What manga are you reading... Naruto didn't have a speed feat by grabbing Sakura before sasuke stabbed her because he was not any known distance away... he was hiding, concealed making it was an ambush feat... use of surprise, not speed...
He was RUNNING he didn't WALK to save her HE didn't jump form behind and save her. Why in the world would Naruto OF ALL PEOPLE hide from Sasuke?! He ly in wait to ambush him AT ALL. he was coming up he saw what was happening he saved her, admit it. Naruto has ALWAYS come out of nowhere to save someone it's his M.O. he did it to save sasuke form the giant Snake and vs Gaara in part one, he did it stopping Kabuto's fist from hitting Tsunade. {Speed}

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Naruto has in no way ever kept up with sasuke in base mode... not even with Kage bushin's assisting him... I just cannot understand which manga you are reading to say these things...
HAHA HAHAHAHA he has Always kept up with Sasuke in Base mode, Sasuke taijutsu was just better!
{Right now is hard to say because they have not faced each other since they became OP.}

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This takes the cake Jericho... Naruto in RSM using shushin allows him to move as fast as Minato's teleportation jutsu, the FTG...?!?!?! How do you see that exactly??? Minato's teleportation jutsu allowed him to move instantly between any distance... Naruto's RSM shushin coupled with a head start of moving full speed already ahead of the Raikage in order to perceive his movements allowed him to dodge the Raikage's super punch... nothing more...
The Raikage is still faster then Naruto which he proved over and over in their many competitions against each other...
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He had no intentions on fighting him just EVADING him. when Bee "assisted" him Raikage still tossed Bee into him. THAT IS WHY he didn't get passed him. Once he got hit by Raikage once he KNEW fighting him was a NO GO when he was gonna FIGHT him Bee stepped in, then Tsunade stepped in then Raikage tried to kill him and he EVADED the attack. {speed}

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Hell, Naruto's reflexes in RSM still are not as good as Minato's at base because he was able to dodge a head on super punch while stationary giving him no advantages of perception.. he simply stood there and dodged the super punch which Naruto did not do... he need a head start and enough distance between him and Rai to avoid his super punch...
NO. Minato TELEPORTED out of the way to a kunai to evade the punch. He didn't duck,sway, bob or weave,lol. far as I have seen without FTG Minato didn't seem much different from Naruto in reflexes.

If you really wanna be technical, Naruto is FASTER then Minato. because Naruto CANNOT use FTG but gets similar results. Minato is very fast with his reflexes BUT he incorporates it with FTG. Minato FTG'd out of the way, Naruto moved out of the way.


Think about it Naruto was NOT fighting Raikage, he fought the Zetsu and Edo he met in combat. If he fought the Raikage then rasengans and rasenshurikens would have been used and Raikage would have LOST.
Minato speed plus wind element attack vs. lightning user would have canceled all of that SHIT,lol.



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