ACt

Oh man, do I ever agree. Fuck religion; be a goddamn whore until you're set to be married. FUCK EVERYTHING THAT MOVES! Even Jesus loved him some whore... wait... that's religion. Uh...

EDIT: Oh yeah, my wife also just had a child... is she ever old and fat now.

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Upon reading I would kind of agree with Jerk on some levels.

There's plenty of experience that you should sexually get before going into a serious relationship like marriage. The probability is simply against you unless you guys talk about it and get really in-depth with analyzing about how you imagine your sexual life will play out, and even then it's probably just one of those things you have to experience first to know for sure.

So waiting to have sex until marriage is already kind of stupid, assuming axioms like: sex is an important part of the relationship for you or your not some form of 'asexual.' or the reason for marriage is NOT that it has nothing to do with a romantic relationship with sex as an important part of it (financial reasons or whatever).

But then add in the fact that you're doing it because of a religion. Ugh. You have reasons for doing it that are completely unfounded and not grounded in reality as we know it.

But let's say that even if you take out religion, the idea of waiting is important to you. Why, then? Loosing your virginity isn't that big of a deal, based on evidence and reality. As long as you have safe sex, and are generally cautious about who you sleep with, there shouldn't really be anything serious that you lose out of it, logically anyway. Oh, and you also have to be decently mature (I can see how this might be a relevant problem for some). And second, the whole idea is that sex is sacred, but isn't marriage supposed to be, also? Why would God want you to go into something where in order to do one of those sacred things well or decently intelligent, you may have to break the sacredness of the other one?

I don't see the whole obsession with pointing out, "It's a choice, a choice!" It being a choice doesn't make it any less stupid. In fact, if it weren't a choice, it would be less stupid to do it, because you/they don't have a choice in the matter. Now, do I care if you want to wait? No, but I do think that technically it is considered stupid, somewhat-ish. Just like anything that is solely based on emotional weakness or appeal is stupid. I do stupid things like that all the time, but you should admit it's just one of those stupid things that you want to do because of emotion, or whatever.

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Miburo

I wouldn't say that saving your virginity till you're married is necessarily illogical or stupid. If a chick wanted to save herself for the person she wants to spend the rest of her life with, like it's a symbolic sort of thing that represents her devotion and trust or whatever, then sure. Whatever.

Now, this crystal chick worded her shit in a way that seems to imply her reason for not getting banged is purely because of her religion. She also states that her religion is 'weird' and said "I'm not supposed to have sex till I get married". Not "I want to wait till I'm married" or something along those lines. That kinda sounds like she could be doing what is expected of her, not necessarily what she wants to do or agrees with.

So responding by saying that she shouldn't let something that is fairy tale level ridiculous dictate her life isn't really completely unwarranted or anything in this particular scenario. Going on a crazy rant and rambling about House and telling chicks to go out and whore it up before they turn into old fatties was shit he probably should have left out if he didn't want to come off like raging retard.

I don't understand the sexual compatibility thing they were talking about. Like, if a chick is wife material then I probably find her pretty damn hawt and non-bitchy and shit. I can't imagine a situation where when I go to bang her she'll be so horrible at it that there is no hope of me ever enjoying banging her. If she's doing something crazy stupid like axe kicking my ballsack or something...I'll just tell her to stop. She'd have to have a vagoo full of razor sharp fangs or something. But even then, I dunno. I could probably even live with that. It'd be like battling a kraken with my dong. It'd be like she married me because she knew I was the only dude bad ass enough to be able to bang her. Fucking awesome.

ACt

The girl's problem stems from the current society's horribly powerful emphasis on sex as the crucial portion of a relationship. The whole "won't put out on the 3rd date so I'm gone" or "have to test the goods before you buy the product" are horribly outdated and simple thinking of people who want to have sex not have a relationship. I mean, think about it:

"You better have sex before entering into a long term relationship/marriage because if the sex is bad the whole relationship will suffer and fail."

Seriously? Kids these days. You know what happens when you get married? You have LESS sex. Not because you don't want it, but your priorities in life change. Home ownership, parenting, the fact that you are getting friggen old, etc. If you based the choice of your marriage heavily based on sex, once the sex life slows, you're probably going to be less happy. Wouldn't be surprised that most divorces occur because A) after the sex there is nothing in common B) they loved the sex that when it waned they wanted the excitement back and left for someone else.

People can have completely healthy and reward relationships without sex and, quite honestly, when put less emphasis on sex, they develop stronger happier relations with another. If there is physical attraction, the issue of sex will work itself out - this girl wouldn't be the first to ignore a religious decree to get some. To chew her out because she has a faith that says "don't do it" even when most is a moronic display of distain.

If someone wants to wait, I'm prefectly ok if they tell me a magic man tells them to. It doesn't affect me. If someone tells me their magic man tells me that I should wait when I don't want to and my partner is willing, THAT'S when you get to call them crazy. Atheists need to accept that people are going to believe in god and so long as it doesn't impact their lives, they can stop calling people stupid.

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I don't think something has to impact my life for it to be stupid.

Agree with everything else though. So add another nickle to my tab.

Numinous

Sorry to derail this interesting discussion, but I'm in a software pickle now.

Beware: kind of a dimwit when it comes to technical stuff, so it might look easy to you but it's hell for me.

So I downloaded software for biochemistry study by imagery... and it has BIN files on it to install certain components and I can't figure out how to extract the damn files. I tried to convert them to ISO, didn't work because ISO 9660 is not found and can't figure out how to find it. I also tried to use freeware that says it can extract from BIN files... it doesn't extract at all or asks for CUE files I don't have.

Can someone please explain what to do in this scenario?

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Instead of converting them with a program. Just rename the file extension .ISO instead of .BIN. If that doesn't work use a program like Fireburner or Iso buster. Where did you get the program from? It should have had the .CUE files.

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PowerISO

I'm not sure that there is a free version available, you may have to find an "alternative" method of procuring it.

Darth-Nero

Daemon tools is the best out there when it comes to creating virtual drives and mounting images. It was always free but i guess the "buy" part is all about some extra options that aren't needed for casual users.

Tabris

see, i figure this jerk guy was dumped by a girl for "religious reasons" and that's why he's so butt hurt.

I can't help with the software issues, i have no knowledge about that stuff
i have Mal for that.

so they've changed the dress code at work, goign into effect on the 18th.
i don't usually care that much, except that they told us that you can't wear sweaters between may and thanksgiving... but the store thermostat is set to 17 and the front end is where all the air conditioning ducts are! i'm cold all the fuck time!

on top of that they have new shirts for the girls to wear if they want to wear their shirts untucked, shits with no pockets...
girl pants don't actally have pockets that can HOLD anything...
so now where do i put all my papers and pens and highlighters and markers and work phone?

If i wear a shirt with pockets it must be tucked in... because looking like a billowing sail that's all pulled tight at the bottom is super appealing.

anywyas, that's all i have to say. Other than that i still love working at Cabelas.

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Numinous

Thanks for the help, but I got it fixed. Had to create .CUE files from scratch to match the .BIN files and it worked.

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I always miss debates.

Anyway, I dunno guys. This guy Jerk sounds like he needs a vent, but it doesn't seem so far away from my logic. I mean, sure, he came out as a moron when he said the shit about using your body while you are young or whatever, but his stance is okay.

For me, sex is an important part of the relationship. No matter how old I will get and how much less sex will I have if I am in a long term relationship, there is a part of it when the sex is important and it can very well break your relationship no matter how "similar" you two are. Read below in my response for further explanation.

But it can be true. I mean, I can meet a super awesome chick who is a cool person and all and when we go into bed she lies there like a mannequin without letting a sound because she is all shy or whatever and I feel like I'm fucking a corpse, I would tell her to at least try to change that or bye bye. Really. There is a level of tolerance for this sex stuff. For example I've been in a relationship where this girl wants to turn off the light every time before sex because she is shy. Another one was afraid of my dick (what the fuck??) so she did the same. She said penises scare her, but that didn't stop her from swallowing my load (because she likes to please people). What? No really, there is a level of weirdness I can take and talk it over.

Some things are just too much. There are people who are not too much into sex. Not joking, met several. There was this one chick who kept saying that "it doesn't matter to her". Well, it matters to ME. I want her to want me. I don't want to have someone who is all like "sure, we can have sex, yeah", but jump on my dick like I jump on her pussy.

Marriage is a different thing than a relatioship, so I wouldn't know, but the same works for marriages if they are sudden or happened when the two were young.

You say that they might have nothing in common after the sex, and I agree, but the reverse is also applicable. Albeit a lot less in importance, you can discover that your sex life is very boring and that you are pretty much stuck with it when you get married.

That is why, for me, it's important to try out things before the marriage.

What if there is very little physical attraction but a lot of attraction to the personality? There is that, too. Besides, it doesn't mean that sex will work itself out if there is simply physical attraction.

And honestly, I can't have a healthy relationship without sex. I need it, and it completes my relationship. If the sex part is bad, than it means I will need to sate my appetites somewhere else, meaning cheating on my wife, which sucks balls. Sure, the sex part gets less important later, but never unimportant. There are too many cheaters out there just because their sex appetites are not sated (and they thought they will cope with it or that it will work out).

But it does affect you. If a chick tells me that the said magic man wants her to wait until marriage, I can respect that, but I cannot stay in a relationship because it affects my perception of a relationship. I don't care if the girl is an atheist or a believer; she can be whatever she wants, but if we don't talk things out to the best of both of our interests, then too bad.

But there is such a thing as sexual compatibility. I learned that the hard way (just like everything else), as I am sure you did, too.

You can think at first that the chick is wife material, but as the relationship progresses, things change. For example, she was super happy in the first 4-7 months, never bitched about a thing and loved everything about you. Then, for example, comes a period where you spend much more time with her then you did before. She appears bitchy, completely unorganized and whimsy (like my woman atm, which I somehow cope with, for now), blames everything on you, can't say sorry even when proved wrong, etc etc, and nothing of that did you even get a glimpse of before.

The same thing goes for sex, too, so it's important to check all grounds before going to the altar. At first it can be weird or it can be great. If weird, sort it out by talking or by sexing a lot. If it can't be sorted out than you already got a problem which would be kind of a big deal if you already married this woman. If great, keep it up, it can be a big boost for your relationship, but still keep your head up, things can turn after just a few months and she could be riding her dildo or neighbor more than your dick. Edit: see what I told ACt about her being a mannequin and shit. Stuff like that.

The point is, my stance is that you should try everything with that person before deciding to take them to the altar. That includes everything about sex, picnics, nights out and living together.

Miburo

^You're just too picky, comrade! Or I just have really low standards.

See, I'd be completely cool with a chick turning off the light because she thinks she's fat or whatever, and especially if she's scared of my dong. I'd be scared to have something that massive penetrating me too. Har har! Just lying there? Whatever, I'll put on a watch and pretend I'm time stop guy.

Me, I'm easy. Only things that will kill my raging hard-on are crazy shit like her being a hutt or wanting me to do degrading type shit like wear a gimp mask and crawl around on all fours while she rides me like a mount and shoves stuff in my ass. Or if she tried to take a dump on me or whatever. I have my pride. That shit is nonnegotiable.

Now if she wants to hit me with a bullwhip or whatever, then whatever. I'm tough as fuck, I don't care. Good way to train my already super-human pain tolerance. Want me to roleplay as something? Sure, so long as it's something manly, I'm not going to be a baby or a furry animal or anything. Want me to lick your toes or some shit, babe? Sure, get a pedicure, wash that shit well, and if everything looks and smells okay then I'll see what I can do. I aim to please.

But I'm also referring to a definite cool babe here. For me, other than the obvious shit, that means that she doesn't fuck around with any womanly mind games and is someone I can just communicate with and discuss shit. So I could talk all this shit out with her, and we could both work towards making each other happy in regards to banging and whatever else. Most that shit can be worked on so long as we're both willing to do it. And if I'm going to marry a chick then I'll make damn sure that we're both able and willing to work on that shit. That was kinda what I was going with there with my quoted post: Communication and willingness to improve. If we don't have that then I'm sure as hell not going to consider letting her marry me. Edit: If she's compatible with me regarding everything else, I'd already know if she's compatible with me in regards to banging. /fag

ACt

Shrike - a lot of my response was pretty much to refute the "Jerk"'s stance that if you don't have sex before marriage, it won't work out. Ever. End of story. I fully accept that sex is an important part of relationships, but to go out and attack someone else's belief that they shouldn't wait because if they do they'll be unhappy later is weak. There is nothing wrong with either approach so long as you maintain some level of integrity with yourself.

I'm mostly with you - I enjoy sex and wanted a sexually healthy portion of a relationship from the get go (even if I had to wait a bit for it). Which was the final paragraph and what makes "Jerk"'s argument really one of a shithead: he went out of his way to tell the girl she's an idiot for believing the way she does. More than one route to happiness that we cannot say "no, this is the only way." I get that you wouldn't probably enter into a longterm relationship with someone who says "wait until we're married", and that's fine, no one is forcing you to. What I was saying is that it was an idiotic statement to say that its wrong. That's her belief and she's welcome to it. It doesn't affect me, so I can support it.

I do sort of believe that people who want to wait are either "super duper religious that I might get ostracized or stoned" or "I'm just not ready". The former usually comes with a lot of extra issues, like fanatical parents, but has matches within the religion so not unfeasible. What gets me is the "I'm just not ready" really seems incompatible with today's society and there is lots of pressure, as the girl says, "to give it up on the 3rd date". It's insane and to attack her and her religion, even when I don't agree with it, is just the sort of sex centric and male-driven attitudes that do more harm than good when it comes to relationships, in my opinion.

The part of "physical attraction" was in a sense just a comment that I find people who want to wait but find themselves in a relationship in which they want to have sex, they usually do and just don't tell anyone. Yeah, there's still stuff to work out in a sex life (there always is), but if there is attraction, two honest people will figure out how sex fits into their lives. For some, it's hop into bed and fuck like bunnies. For others, it's "wait until I'm ready". Both are fine.

And I don't know what's wrong with you fools. I only have ever been with one girl who I felt was wife material and married her. Shit was simple. (Note: my love life was pretty pathetic before her.)

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Had a lot of fun reading this cracked article: http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-unheal...nto-movements/

Linked are two groups I'd never heard of, pro-anorexia(linked) and gang stalking...
Niggermania (linked) and MGTOW were both very funny. xD

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