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Old 09-04-2012, 03:41 PM   #376
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I like how we're the ones actually defending Kishimoto's art consistency prowess while KYF is indirectly calling him an artistic hack for not making three panels in the same page consistent. Goes to show the whiny bitches that we aren't cynics that thrash Naruto mindlessly.
Thanked for keeping "whiny bitches" vs. "cynics" a thing. Gonna go read that thread again.

EDIT: Good times. Though it is another reminder of people who are misusing AG... as in not.
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Old 09-04-2012, 05:24 PM   #377
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Why are people so concerned about a Tobi long haired and a short one? I cut my hair each and every month, am I a different person everytime?

Answer is no...
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Old 09-04-2012, 06:31 PM   #378
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hair of course no but height does.. and guessing anyone´s height like kyf does well its not all that accurate need to take into the mix angles from were are u viewing.. and such not just drew some lines and "there here is proof of these two are the same person.." that's just silly....
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Old 09-04-2012, 10:46 PM   #379
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Re: Naruto_599

Pre-Gaiden Obito Uchiha appearances:
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v02/c016/2.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v14/c122/16.html

I found it a bit interesting.
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:04 PM   #380
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hair of course no but height does.. and guessing anyone´s height like kyf does well its not all that accurate need to take into the mix angles from were are u viewing.. and such not just drew some lines and "there here is proof of these two are the same person.." that's just silly....
Not only that there's an angle problem, but there's also just the way that Kishi draws them. Unless mistaken, there's no clear height indication, in the manga that is.
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:38 PM   #381
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Could you elaborate as to why?
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Old 09-05-2012, 12:47 AM   #382
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Re: Naruto_599

I suppose we may know soon enough what is going on but here are some interesting panels.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v58/c550/9.html

First panel Kabuto is claiming its "his eye", theres only one genjutsu strong enough to do this.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v58/c550/13.html

Second panel Kabuto finds out that the eye actually belongs to Shisui and its his Koto amatsukami.

There was also the panels where Danzo was using Shisuis eye at the kages meeting and AO and the Mizukage believe that it was that type of power related to the previous Mizukage being manipulated.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v59/c560/3.html

Here is another panel in which Madara and Kabuto are referring to this person that Kabuto believed the eye to belong to with a genjutsu strong enough to control the Mizukage.


http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v51/c480/12.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v51/c480/13.html

Here are 2 panels of Danzo using Shisuis eye, Shisui Doryuku is used but its not clear what exactly was done. It appears like it could be some type of space time ninjutsu.

We have only seen the mangekeyo awake in brothers up to this point so its possible Shisui is indeed Obitos brother. We will find out more soon enough but Shisui has some relation to the one pulling all the strings.
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Old 09-05-2012, 12:48 AM   #383
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Could you elaborate as to why?
It's interesting, to me, that it shows if it wasn't for the third Hokage there'd be no evil in Konoha. Seriously, that guys influence has fucked three straight generations into creating a ninja hitler. And we're not 100% sure what Sasuke is doing yet, so we may wind up with four generations.

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Old 09-05-2012, 01:16 AM   #384
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Here are 2 panels of Danzo using Shisuis eye, Shisui Doryuku is used but its not clear what exactly was done. It appears like it could be some type of space time ninjutsu.
"Doryuku" means "eye power". Tobi was referring to Danzo deciding whether or not he wants to use Kotoamatsukami or Izanagi. Hence the part of "use it as a genjutsu or throw it away like Izanagi".
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Old 09-05-2012, 01:26 AM   #385
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"Doryuku" means "eye power". Tobi was referring to Danzo deciding whether or not he wants to use Kotoamatsukami or Izanagi. Hence the part of "use it as a genjutsu or throw it away like Izanagi".
Maybe im wrong but I think when he said Doryuku he was referring to what Danzo had just done, the manga focused on sasuke coming at him, showed a close up of his sharingan and then next panel sasuke has barely moved and Danzo is all the way by Karin. It appeared to be an ability from his sharingan hence why I said space time ninjutsu.
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Maybe im wrong
You are, hence the part about Tobi saying "can't decide if he wants to use it as a genjutsu or throw it away like Izanagi". The page right before that Tobi points out that Shisui's eye has recharged, and Danzo mentioned before that he could only use Kotoamatsukami once a day.

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but I think when he said Doryuku he was referring to what Danzo had just done,
He wasn't. He was talking about using Shisui's genjutsu to control Sasuke or throw the eye away by using Izanagi one last time.

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the manga focused on sasuke coming at him, showed a close up of his sharingan and then next panel sasuke has barely moved and Danzo is all the way by Karin. It appeared to be an ability from his sharingan hence why I said space time ninjutsu.
Go back and reread the manga. The sharingan gives the user the ability to predict their opponent's movements. Danzo knew where Sasuke was going to attack and moved out of the way. If you also notice, he goes to Sasuke's right side, where his eye was blanked out from overuse. That was Sasuke's blind spot. He couldn't react to Danzo's movements to that side because that eye couldn't track anything.
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In the time Sasuke thrusted his arm to use chidori and hit Danzo, Danzo mangaged to get all the way to Karin only after having Shisuis eye working again and a close up on his eye right before he was able to do this. Yea probably was just him reading the movements, dodging and getting all the way to Karin before Sasuke could thrust his arm.

Either way it really doesnt take away from the actual thesis of my post which you ignored.

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Re: Naruto_599

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I suppose we may know soon enough what is going on but here are some interesting panels.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v58/c550/9.html

First panel Kabuto is claiming its "his eye", theres only one genjutsu strong enough to do this.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v58/c550/13.html

Second panel Kabuto finds out that the eye actually belongs to Shisui and its his Koto amatsukami.
i guess this might be an evidence to say tobi is not shisui???
assuming kabuto knows who is behind the mask
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In the time Sasuke thrusted his arm to use chidori and hit Danzo, Danzo mangaged to get all the way to Karin only after having Shisuis eye working again and a close up on his eye right before he was able to do this.
I explained how that entire part happened. The sharingan reads and predicts movements (see Sasuke vs. Naruto @ VotE), it also takes in details automatically that the user wouldn't with normal eyes (see Kakashi's perfection of the Chidori). Danzo, with the sharingan, was able to take in details he wouldn't normally have seen at that pace (Sasuke's right eye blanked out) and predicted Sasuke's movements, so he saw Sasuke move for the Chidori before Sasuke started moving and dodged around it.

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Yea probably was just him reading the movements, dodging and getting all the way to Karin before Sasuke could thrust his arm.
There's no probably about it. That's exactly what happened. Shisui only had Kotoamatsukami (both of his eyes could use it), he didn't show any other noteworthy ability with his eyes. When Tobi mentioned "doryuku" he was talking about Kotoamatsukami, because that was Shisui's "eye power".

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Either way it really doesnt take away from the actual thesis of my post which you ignored.
Pardon me, I'll get to that now. Your thesis is that Shisui is somehow related to Tobi, yet you have no solid evidence, only circumstantial (at best) evidence. Your thesis claims that brothers have similar eye powers, that's already been proven false if you want to claim Shisui and Obito are brothers. Obito has the ability to warp anything into another dimension with Kamui. Kotoamatsukami doesn't affect the space/time continuum, only the mind(s) of the target(s). Nothing about those eye powers are related.

If you want to argue about Tobi controlling Yagura, Itachi was controlling a hooker with just his base Sharingan.

Also, you are arguing that Madara and Izuna had related eye powers, since they were siblings. Izuna's Mangekyo abilities are unknown so you are arguing from ignorance on that.
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I explained how that entire part happened. The sharingan reads and predicts movements (see Sasuke vs. Naruto @ VotE), it also takes in details automatically that the user wouldn't with normal eyes (see Kakashi's perfection of the Chidori). Danzo, with the sharingan, was able to take in details he wouldn't normally have seen at that pace (Sasuke's right eye blanked out) and predicted Sasuke's movements, so he saw Sasuke move for the Chidori before Sasuke started moving and dodged around it..
He was standing right infront of Sasuke, Close up on Danzos eye. Sasuke thrust his arm to use Chidori only to hit air because Danzo is all the way by Karin.



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There's no probably about it. That's exactly what happened. Shisui only had Kotoamatsukami (both of his eyes could use it), he didn't show any other noteworthy ability with his eyes. When Tobi mentioned "doryuku" he was talking about Kotoamatsukami, because that was Shisui's "eye power"..
How do you know Shisui only had Koto amastukami, where do you get this from. I believe when he said doryuku he was referring the the technique Danzo had just used to avoid the attack. The guy was called "Shisui of the Body Flicker" and coincidently when Danzo suddenly has Shisuis eye working again he can be standing still and then in the time of Sasuke thrusting his arm be completely in a different area.



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Pardon me, I'll get to that now. Your thesis is that Shisui is somehow related to Tobi, yet you have no solid evidence, only circumstantial (at best) evidence. Your thesis claims that brothers have similar eye powers, that's already been proven false if you want to claim Shisui and Obito are brothers. Obito has the ability to warp anything into another dimension with Kamui. Kotoamatsukami doesn't affect the space/time continuum, only the mind(s) of the target(s). Nothing about those eye powers are related.

If you want to argue about Tobi controlling Yagura, Itachi was controlling a hooker with just his base Sharingan.

Also, you are arguing that Madara and Izuna had related eye powers, since they were siblings. Izuna's Mangekyo abilities are unknown so you are arguing from ignorance on that.
Shisui is related to or is the one pulling the strings was my thesis hence Kabuto saying only "his" eye could use this genjutsu and then finding out it was shisuis eye. Mizukage and AO thinking shisuis eye power at the kage meeting was related to the control of the former mizukage. Yea thats my thesis. If Tobi was the one controlling the Mizukage how in the world can you say they dont have similiar powers. If he used Obitos eye this whole time how in the world is it not possible that they are related. I suspect shisui used space time ninjutsu too hence the body flicker name which would make sense since obitos eye can use space time ninjutsu as well. Itachi and Sasuke have the exact same abilities from the mangekeyo. Probably just coincidence and it has nothing to do with them being brothers.
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