Just a Thought THREAD - Page 117

kluang · 09-04-2012, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jericho Uzimaki

If Kishi based Naruto (or was in fluenced by) on the ninja from Ninja Scroll hiw would Naruto(the character) differ?

Or better Akira.

The women would be useful

Spiegel · 09-04-2012, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jericho Uzimaki

If Kishi based Naruto (or was in fluenced by) on the ninja from Ninja Scroll hiw would Naruto(the character) differ?

Or better Akira.

The male protagonist wouldn't be an emo-fawning-furry-stupid-fag.

kluang · 09-04-2012, 08:47 PM

From the chuunin exam, we were told sharingan was actually from byakugan.

of course this was retcon for the shippudden plot.

what if the story follows the original plot. the uchiha is from the hyuugas and they gain their sharingan by making a deal with the kyuubi.

fuck the current plot.

let say the shippudden follow this plot

uchihas is from the hyuugas. they gain sharingan by making a deal with the kyuubi. No EMS. Just MS. they will go blind and there no way to reverse it.

The byakugan is more useful.

No Senju vs Uchihas plot thingy.

Senju is just another powerful clan

Rinnengan is actually superior then Byakugan and Sharingan

Nagato is healthy.

Naruto got captured and the kyuubi is extracted. Naruto survive. Nagato brainwash him and give him the rinnengan and most of his jutsu

Sasuke is Tobi's bitch.

The leaf says, fuck sasuke let save naruto. and let the other char be useful.

the war is a three way battle. tobi, sasuke zetsu army vs the 5 big village vs Pain, Naruto, Konan, missing-nins and the small villages.

The final battle is about naruto vs kyuubi.

sasuke is just a mid boss.

jericho Uzimaki · 09-04-2012, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kluang

From the chuunin exam, we were told sharingan was actually from byakugan.

of course this was retcon for the shippudden plot.

what if the story follows the original plot. the uchiha is from the hyuugas and they gain their sharingan by making a deal with the kyuubi.

fuck the current plot.

let say the shippudden follow this plot

uchihas is from the hyuugas. they gain sharingan by making a deal with the kyuubi. No EMS. Just MS. they will go blind and there no way to reverse it.

The byakugan is more useful.

No Senju vs Uchihas plot thingy.

Senju is just another powerful clan

Rinnengan is actually superior then Byakugan and Sharingan

Nagato is healthy.

Naruto got captured and the kyuubi is extracted. Naruto survive. Nagato brainwash him and give him the rinnengan and most of his jutsu

Sasuke is Tobi's bitch.

The leaf says, fuck sasuke let save naruto. and let the other char be useful.

the war is a three way battle. tobi, sasuke zetsu army vs the 5 big village vs Pain, Naruto, Konan, missing-nins and the small villages.

The final battle is about naruto vs kyuubi.

sasuke is just a mid boss.

Look here Sir, I will not allow you to make up something like this without first.....

Saying, that sounds AWESOME! Do a fan fic for it!

KiddJutsu · 09-04-2012, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jericho Uzimaki

Look here Sir, I will not allow you to make up something like this without first.....

Saying, that sounds AWESOME! Do a fan fic for it!

I agree, write that thing out.

kael03 · 09-05-2012, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by kluang

From the chuunin exam, we were told sharingan was actually from byakugan.

No we weren't. We were told that it was rumored that the Sharingan evolved from the Byakugan.

kluang · 09-05-2012, 02:02 AM

I dunno kael. All that bullshit of sharingan and senju from the man create ninjutsu and senju and uchiha are big time ninja clan and pretty much kill each other for generations and no one even bother checking its history and origin?

I'm too damn lazy to do any fan fic

batonnoir · 09-06-2012, 01:59 AM

Just me venting but...

1. If so many of us could figure out that Obito or his eye was involved in "Tobi", Kakashi, the master strategist and technique decipherer with the Sharingan eye that can see chakra, should have figured it out long before too.

2. Yes, Orochimaru was cool, but he should have been gone...period.

3. I know this doesn't make sense...but I think Sakura is due to show up and get killed soon. Why??? just for the sake of some bullshit parallel...so Naruto can understand the pain of loss or some such crap.

***Kishi, I've enjoyed this story for a long time and endured through the unexplained plot twists and missing explanations...but I'm tired...so very tired.

J-man123 · 09-06-2012, 02:03 AM

at least u can take obitos other eye off your sig

Konnaha_yellow_flash · 09-06-2012, 02:54 AM

There is one serious inconsistency that has to be addressed with Tobio... If The fight against Minato 16 years ago is him, then why isn't he blind by now??? I mean sasuke lost his eye sight in not time and kakashi is obviously losing his eye sight in his SG which is why he made the reference to itachi way back at the beginning of part 2...

Then if you cannot gain an eternal MS to use, then what is the next best thing... Gain a shit load of SG eyes to use when one MS goes blind...

The DB3 said that kamui is a technique that is invoked through the training of ones chakra... not like how basic uchiha's awaken their techniques... And if tobito is using a zetsu like body then the first's cells are in him which should give him a hell of powerful chakra to use IMO...
With Hashirama's chakra the invoking of kamui must be rather easy I guess...

Then again, by changing SG eyes, the user's MS pattern should be different with every SG eye...

Lol, the whole thing makes no sense... Kishi will need to make an ass pull and have hybrid uchiha's that can use the power of another bloodline of the sage create powerful MS that do not go blind... You know, because obito is infused with zetsu shit thus hashirama's cells meaning the use of his power too... Otherwise why obito is still able to even use his MS much less see out of it makes no sense after 16 years of usage...

And how could obito, someone who just a year before was being crushed by boulders, have to wait so long that he would even say "I have waited a long time for this moment" when freeing the kyuubi from kushina... and how would obito know about a jinchurriki's most weak moment during birth which only a select people should know... none of which are madara...

This whole obito as tobi thing is just a headache...

apacolypz · 09-06-2012, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Konnaha_yellow_flash

There is one serious inconsistency that has to be addressed with Tobio... If The fight against Minato 16 years ago is him, then why isn't he blind by now??? I mean sasuke lost his eye sight in not time and kakashi is obviously losing his eye sight in his SG which is why he made the reference to itachi way back at the beginning of part 2...

Then if you cannot gain an eternal MS to use, then what is the next best thing... Gain a shit load of SG eyes to use when one MS goes blind...

The DB3 said that kamui is a technique that is invoked through the training of ones chakra... not like how basic uchiha's awaken their techniques... And if tobito is using a zetsu like body then the first's cells are in him which should give him a hell of powerful chakra to use IMO...
With Hashirama's chakra the invoking of kamui must be rather easy I guess...

Then again, by changing SG eyes, the user's MS pattern should be different with every SG eye...

Lol, the whole thing makes no sense... Kishi will need to make an ass pull and have hybrid uchiha's that can use the power of another bloodline of the sage create powerful MS that do not go blind... You know, because obito is infused with zetsu shit thus hashirama's cells meaning the use of his power too... Otherwise why obito is still able to even use his MS much less see out of it makes no sense after 16 years of usage...

And how could obito, someone who just a year before was being crushed by boulders, have to wait so long that he would even say "I have waited a long time for this moment" when freeing the kyuubi from kushina... and how would obito know about a jinchurriki's most weak moment during birth which only a select people should know... none of which are madara...

This whole obito as tobi thing is just a headache...

I agree with your last paragraph. Kishi will have a hell of a time trying to connect these inconsitentsies in the story. So many plot holes with Obito being Tobi and who and which guy was pretending to be Madara and when?
The short haired Madara, first seen 16 years ago when he faced against Minato, second appearance over 16 years later against the rookie 11 and so on. Long haired Madara was shown talking with Kisame, manipulating the Mizukage, Meeting with Itachi,Deserting the Leaf, Killing off his clan.

The point where he left the village IMO I believe he went straight for the newly established ( I think) Mist Village. Starting his plans there and starting the legendary tale of the Bloody Mist. Madara didn't care about other clans...and had bitter resentment against his own. Meets Kisame and starts the place where he could fit and call home...Akatsuki.....

At this point I am sure Zetsu should have been created.
Comes back to the Village maybe when War breaks out. As seen in the Manga, heads to Land of the Rock and puts them to shame and pretty much holds their village under his leash. Maybe learns of a plot to sabatoge some Hidden Leaf nins. (Minato's group) watching from a distance finds Obito after his last stand. Heals him with Zetsu and takes him back. Passes along his legacy so that he can be revived. Obito is impatient and wants to test out his abilities asap. My guess is Madara did in fact pass along some of his great knowledge to Obito and chakra. Thus the reason Obito is able to summon the Kyuubi and the Kyuubi recognizing his chakra as Madara's..Obito could also as mentioned be some sort of descendant. Obito wants to test his powers against the newly promoted Hokage...the very position he fell short of achieving. Mastering his MS in a short time he fights against the Yondaime and gets beat...if you notice what he says to Minato after the hokage asks why are you doing this? Obito: "I guess you could say its both a whim and a plan"
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v53/c502/11.html

Second line Obito: "No wonder you're the Yondaime Hokage. I'm impressed you were able to wound me and wrest the Kyuubi from me.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v53/c503/8.html3

IMO I believe Obito did want the Kyuubi then, but also just to test out his abilities..He acted like a kid with a new toy.....Also his personality still seems peculiar. He seems to be serious one second then the next..joking wildly....like a split personality. Even when he was pretending to be Tobi when first introduced..it seemed like he genuinely was fucked in the brain lol.

Anyway shortly after being beat by Minato and really getting depressed over his many failures...he got serious...and at this time really wants to move along with the Moons Eye plan.....The point of which Rin dies and Obito resurfaces. Kishi really has to explain this

sorry for the rant

stubborn_d0nkey · 09-06-2012, 01:53 PM

Random thought, or what not, about the Kabuto Madara thing.

What if what Kabuto found was Madara's DNA prior to him getting senju juice, and then he added the senju juice to that Madara?

Wolverine · 09-06-2012, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by stubborn_d0nkey

Random thought, or what not, about the Kabuto Madara thing.

What if what Kabuto found was Madara's DNA prior to him getting senju juice, and then he added the senju juice to that Madara?

I thought that's what he did, when he meant that Madara had been improved past the point he was at, even in his prime...

Konnaha_yellow_flash · 09-06-2012, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolverine

I thought that's what he did, when he meant that Madara had been improved past the point he was at, even in his prime...

You are correct...

Turns out that danzou was just Oro and kabuto's prototype and madara is the finished product... an uchiha who has been completely fused with hashirama's cells for a perfect hybrid...
and apparently the full power of hashirama in madara is what was able to take the EMS to RG...

The Hypothesis was that if the full power of the elder son of the sage (the Eternal MS) was ever reunited with the full power of the younger son of the Sage (hashirama's power)... then the power of the sage would be created from the union... the RG!
However, I guess they could not find a way to unite the two halves of the sage until they figured out the secret to the uchiha's body which is also written on the tablet at the naka shrine...

Wolverine · 09-07-2012, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Konnaha_yellow_flash

Turns out that danzou was just Oro and kabuto's prototype and madara is the finished product... an uchiha who has been completely fused with hashirama's cells for a perfect hybrid...
and apparently the full power of hashirama in madara is what was able to take the EMS to RG...

I presume it could just be that Madara's body was strong and capable enough to handle Hashirama's cells due to his Uchiha DNA stemming from his lineage to the Rikudou Sennin.

Quote:

The Hypothesis was that if the full power of the elder son of the sage (the Eternal MS) was ever reunited with the full power of the younger son of the Sage (hashirama's power)... then the power of the sage would be created from the union... the RG!
However, I guess they could not find a way to unite the two halves of the sage until they figured out the secret to the uchiha's body which is also written on the tablet at the naka shrine...

Yeah, I figure that might be the case. However, if the Rikoudou Sennin passed on his Eye powers to his Elder son, then he should be able to independently activate the Rinnegan without the influence of the Younger son's DNA, since the Younger son most probably has the full power of the Rikudou Sennin's body. (Not so sure the correlation of energies between the two sons and their correspondence so I'm not gonna go there).

09-04-2012, 08:47 PM	#1743
kluang One Punch Man Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,418 Thanks: 3,186 Thanked 4,658 Times in 2,099 Posts	Re: Just a Thought THREAD From the chuunin exam, we were told sharingan was actually from byakugan. of course this was retcon for the shippudden plot. what if the story follows the original plot. the uchiha is from the hyuugas and they gain their sharingan by making a deal with the kyuubi. fuck the current plot. let say the shippudden follow this plot uchihas is from the hyuugas. they gain sharingan by making a deal with the kyuubi. No EMS. Just MS. they will go blind and there no way to reverse it. The byakugan is more useful. No Senju vs Uchihas plot thingy. Senju is just another powerful clan Rinnengan is actually superior then Byakugan and Sharingan Nagato is healthy. Naruto got captured and the kyuubi is extracted. Naruto survive. Nagato brainwash him and give him the rinnengan and most of his jutsu Sasuke is Tobi's bitch. The leaf says, fuck sasuke let save naruto. and let the other char be useful. the war is a three way battle. tobi, sasuke zetsu army vs the 5 big village vs Pain, Naruto, Konan, missing-nins and the small villages. The final battle is about naruto vs kyuubi. sasuke is just a mid boss. __________________ To err is human, to forgive, divine. Humans aren't machines... they have souls, feelings. They live, they die, they love, they hate... And yes, they even make mistakes..... When kluang finds you creepy and wrong then you are beyond horrible. He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you. Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Being Malaysian is about driving in a German car to an Indian restaurant for an Indonesian food, then travelling home, grabbing a Pakistani kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American shows on a Japanese TV. Because we have no originality.

09-05-2012, 02:02 AM	#1747
kluang One Punch Man Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,418 Thanks: 3,186 Thanked 4,658 Times in 2,099 Posts	Re: Just a Thought THREAD I dunno kael. All that bullshit of sharingan and senju from the man create ninjutsu and senju and uchiha are big time ninja clan and pretty much kill each other for generations and no one even bother checking its history and origin? I'm too damn lazy to do any fan fic __________________ To err is human, to forgive, divine. Humans aren't machines... they have souls, feelings. They live, they die, they love, they hate... And yes, they even make mistakes..... When kluang finds you creepy and wrong then you are beyond horrible. He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you. Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Being Malaysian is about driving in a German car to an Indian restaurant for an Indonesian food, then travelling home, grabbing a Pakistani kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American shows on a Japanese TV. Because we have no originality.

09-06-2012, 01:59 AM	#1748
batonnoir Chuunin Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Fort Walton Beach, FL Posts: 488 Thanks: 804 Thanked 182 Times in 109 Posts	Re: Just a Thought THREAD Just me venting but... 1. If so many of us could figure out that Obito or his eye was involved in "Tobi", Kakashi, the master strategist and technique decipherer with the Sharingan eye that can see chakra, should have figured it out long before too. 2. Yes, Orochimaru was cool, but he should have been gone...period. 3. I know this doesn't make sense...but I think Sakura is due to show up and get killed soon. Why??? just for the sake of some bullshit parallel...so Naruto can understand the pain of loss or some such crap. ***Kishi, I've enjoyed this story for a long time and endured through the unexplained plot twists and missing explanations...but I'm tired...so very tired. __________________ Unsolved Mysteries. Kimmimaru's Disease no jutsu Itachi's Disease no Jutsu Izuna's "Death"? Obito's other eye Nagato's Disease no jutsu

09-06-2012, 02:03 AM	#1749
J-man123 Supernova Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: England Posts: 275 Thanks: 443 Thanked 108 Times in 63 Posts	Re: Just a Thought THREAD at least u can take obitos other eye off your sig __________________ Final Act of Marineford Zoro Ignition

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