Naruto_600 - Page 24

uzumakinagato · 09-09-2012, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Shrike

I'd destroy the world for that ass too man.

If only he wanted to destroy the world.

He wants do it on the EMO-way, pff...

ckraizitee · 09-09-2012, 11:49 AM

It seems Obito was always looking for reason to destroy the world and Rin's death came skipping by.
I wonder what he would have done if he was in sasukes shoes(clan being wiped out).
Sasuke now looks like a saint in comparism

Numinous · 09-09-2012, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ckraizitee

It seems Obito was always looking for reason to destroy the world and Rin's death came skipping by.

What? Why would he want to terminate the world as known if it isn't Rin? The only thing that makes sense is because of war, but that's a carbon copy of Nagato's motivation for going to the dark side.

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I wonder what he would have done if he was in sasukes shoes(clan being wiped out).

Kiss Kakashi and then forget about world domination just to get on Kakashi's pants, because Obito is Naruto's parallel.

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Sasuke now looks like a saint in comparism

Not really, but at least Sasuke's pathos makes sense. Last of his kind, broken fraternity, once held as a genius far ahead of his generation and was surpassed by a peon, not to mention he was fed with lies all the way through, so going psycho over all is understandable. Obito's pathos is the biggest overreaction over losing a crush ever. You know, best writing evah!

ckraizitee · 09-09-2012, 01:10 PM

I was joking, about obito looking for a reason to destroy the world. Just saying thats a better reason than just Rin is dead.
Yes, no reason is better than Rin reason.

Was just imagining what he would have done if something worst than some girl he liked died? maybe destroy the solar system? or team up with Aliens to destroy the milky way?

About sasuke thats what i mean, after all he went through all he wants is the destruction of konoha, which is realy tame and saintly as opposed to "me like 12 year old, 12 year old die me make hworl worldr go KABOOM! or Enskave it watever.

stubborn_d0nkey · 09-09-2012, 04:26 PM

@KYF For fucks sake, use a spoiler tag if you are gonna post big pictures.

Edit: @ people quoting him, either dont quote his posts when he has the distorting pics, remove the pic or spoiler tag, or whatever else suits you. Him being inconsiderate to others doesn't give you a free pass to do same

Edit2: I didn't say please.

Konnaha_yellow_flash · 09-10-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Numinous

So reality is fiction? Or you're so distracted by bullshit you can't link things properly? I'll be nice and explain why I said what I said:

Seriously... You could not understand the obvious... the reality you are basing your genetics, logic and knowing what you are talking about... all means shat when discussing fiction... anything can happen and likely will... So your argument have to be based around that simple concept which you do not understand considering how much you mention logic and genetics as if they have to apply exactly as they are in a fictional world...

RS could be a damn nara from shika's clan and sasuke could turn out to be a uzumaki/uchiha... all because kishi can link them through plot, no need for genetics... or logic...

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It's all about genetic drift, the more separated one individual is to another, the more different they are. Brothers are more similar than cousins, and cousins are more similar than cousins once removed, and so on, so on. The Senju and Uzumaki have at least 16 generations between them (up to a logistical maximum of 150 generations). That's between 400 and 3500 years, by the way. That allows for a lot of genetic drift between a Senju and an Uzumaki of the same generation, justifying how they're so different.

All this means almost nothing when considering you are applying it to fiction where magnetism is different, ect ect... So why would genetics be the same???

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No. If that was the case, Kushina would say the Senju and Uchiha descend from the Uzumaki, which she didn't. What she said is that Senju and Uzumaki are distantly related clan, meaning they have a common ancestor, being the most recent known ancestor the Second Son. So, as the Second Son isn't Senju or Uzumaki, the RS isn't either Senju, Uzumaki or Uchiha.

What?? Kushina's comment "The senju and uzumaki are distantly related" could mean they are related distantly because the uzumaki was the sage's clan and the senju his son's clan...
With the senju are the younger son's clan and the uchiha as the older son's clan... Each having half the power of the sage himself...
However, the uzumaki has abilities like both clans (high physical energy/life energy=senju... and the power to control the kyuubi which only the uchiha can do with the power of their SG's... and just like the uchiha... when their power is taken too far, their red hair turns snow white the same way the uchiha's MS goes from red to white as well...)

If the sage was an Uzumaki and the younger son a senju then they would distantly related through the juubi...

SO it could mean they are related through the juubi itself since they are both clans who have some of the power of the juubi from the sage...

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Disregarding the ridiculous argument from ignorance (Juubi worship? Where the fuck did you pulled that from?), that would apply also to the Uchiha, considering they have inherited part of the Juubi's doujutsu, so that's really moot.

Except it is already confirmed that the uchiha got their doujutsu from the elder son who got his eye power from the sage himself... Just his spiritual/mental energy for powerful chakra... which takes on the form of a form of SG equal to the EMS... SO that is explained easy enough...

However, how the uzumaki got powers that both the sage's clans have is a big mystery... If the uzumaki is a clan that came from the elder son then they should merely have powerful physical and life energy... Not also the special power to suppress and control the kyuubi which is the power of the MS... As well as red hair that changes when power is over used which is the same as the uchiha's MS as well...

The only way I could think of the uzumaki to have some of the juubi's full power... would be from some kind of worship that allowed for them to receive some of the juubi's power...

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So you don't believe there's such a thing as brothers? Because that's exactly what you said. See, individuals of a population do not share the same path of evolution, so you can have multiple populations descended from an ancestral one because its individuals evolved in different ways.

So all you have is "I do not actually have a reason why the uzumaki have the power of both the sage's clans... just a random argument about genetics and evolution that has very little likeliness of being the same in a fictional world"....

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That's why I said to consider genealogy and evolution, because they explain things very well without having the need to invent some unknown Juubi religion.

Again, there is no reason to believe kishi will draw upon actual genetics and evolution of nonfiction for his fictional story where he can make any bloodline come from anything he wants...

I i"invented" the juubi religion because it is something that can be fictionally based and explain how the uzumaki have abilities of both the sage's clans...
And it is also something that has...

Also, there is a god of evil named Mikaboshi who was worshiped by a person in order to wield it's power against his/her enemies...

Here..

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Japanese onmyoji (mystics) attempted to establish a cult to Mikaboshi in the Nineteenth Century in an attempt to direct her power of destruction against one's enemies. Queen Hitoka of Yamato was one of the last known Mikaboshi worshippers until turning to more diplomatic measures with China. Mikaboshi later returned during World War Two in the form of the red sun insignia on the Imperial flag.

AOTKorby · 09-10-2012, 02:49 PM

So essentially, your argument is: "Instead of following a principle which the manga has thus far generally followed and which does a perfectly fine job of explaining it, here's an alternate explanation with no basis in evidence because it's fiction and it doesn't necessarily have to follow real world science even when it totally does."

k-lai · 09-10-2012, 02:50 PM

@kyf: Where do u get all these stuff?

stubborn_d0nkey · 09-10-2012, 02:56 PM

Copy, open google, paste then search. Or if your browser has a shorter way, use that.

Numinous · 09-10-2012, 04:11 PM

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Seriously... You could not understand the obvious... the reality you are basing your genetics, logic and knowing what you are talking about... all means shat when discussing fiction... anything can happen and likely will...

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Again, there is no reason to believe kishi will draw upon actual genetics and evolution of nonfiction for his fictional story where he can make any bloodline come from anything he wants...

I "invented" the juubi religion because it is something that can be fictionally based and explain how the uzumaki have abilities of both the sage's clans...

Excuse me while I get someone to substitute me in the next 10 minutes... by doing the exact same thing I'm doing after reading these quotes.

One has to wonder some people's reading habits.

Edit: Now on a serious tone, I remembered I invited KYF for a casual discussion about biodiversity. What happened to that? Would be interesting and a change of pace.

azazel · 09-10-2012, 06:24 PM

all of KYF post above... just silly.. has no sense and just bash his onw theories..

xxMESTxx · 09-10-2012, 06:41 PM

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Edit: Now on a serious tone, I remembered I invited KYF for a casual discussion about biodiversity. What happened to that? Would be interesting and a change of pace.

You would want to discuss biodiversity with someone who still doesn't understand what Suspension of Disbelief is? What a stimulating conversation that would be.

uzumakinagato · 09-14-2012, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by k-lai

@kyf: Where do u get all these stuff?

His ass

Konnaha_yellow_flash · 09-15-2012, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by xxMESTxx

You would want to discuss biodiversity with someone who still doesn't understand what Suspension of Disbelief is? What a stimulating conversation that would be.

Suspension of disbelief has no basis here when discussing the use of real life genetics and how they works in our world, thus thinking it is logical to believe genetics will work the same in a fictional world of naruto were Gold is completely magnetic... where wind can overcome fire instead of increasing it... and flames as hot as the sun's surface do not burn all that well while regular fire just does not do squat... and gais fists can creates fre balls from friction...

The point is, why should genetics be exactly the same as they are in the real world if every other form of science is not in this story??? It's a fallacy...

The logical idea would be... because every other science is screwed up in this manga then the science of genetics should be as well... thus trying to use the science of actual genetics in an argument about genetics of the naruto world is not such a good idea...

kael03 · 09-15-2012, 01:24 PM

You're a little off there, chief. Real world genetics does have a role here logically. Look at bloodline limits. They appear in people related by clan and can't be used by people without the genetic capabilities to do so. Hence anyone with a sharingan being unable to copy bloodline limits.

Also, wind does enhance fire, but it is strong against lightning. Enough friction can cause flames to appear, so Morning Peacock is feasible with suspension of disbelief involving the enhancements from opening the gates. Gold does have magnetic properties, just not the ones depicted in the manga.

09-09-2012, 11:49 AM	#347
ckraizitee Genin Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 252 Thanks: 1,176 Thanked 63 Times in 51 Posts	Re: Naruto_600 It seems Obito was always looking for reason to destroy the world and Rin's death came skipping by. I wonder what he would have done if he was in sasukes shoes(clan being wiped out). Sasuke now looks like a saint in comparism

09-09-2012, 01:10 PM	#349
ckraizitee Genin Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 252 Thanks: 1,176 Thanked 63 Times in 51 Posts	Re: Naruto_600 I was joking, about obito looking for a reason to destroy the world. Just saying thats a better reason than just Rin is dead. Yes, no reason is better than Rin reason. Was just imagining what he would have done if something worst than some girl he liked died? maybe destroy the solar system? or team up with Aliens to destroy the milky way? About sasuke thats what i mean, after all he went through all he wants is the destruction of konoha, which is realy tame and saintly as opposed to "me like 12 year old, 12 year old die me make hworl worldr go KABOOM! or Enskave it watever.

09-10-2012, 02:50 PM	#353
k-lai ANBU Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Ghana Posts: 1,750 Thanks: 947 Thanked 628 Times in 430 Posts	Re: Naruto_600 @kyf: Where do u get all these stuff? __________________ <<Tell me $ome Lie$>> Maybe, just maybe I may be able to do it and you would not be there when I'm doing it but just so you know, I did it without your help and that'll be my legacy.

09-10-2012, 06:24 PM	#356
azazel Fallen Angel Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: MX Posts: 232 Thanks: 16 Thanked 16 Times in 15 Posts	Re: Naruto_600 all of KYF post above... just silly.. has no sense and just bash his onw theories.. __________________ Azazel fallen angel Proud member of:Akatsuki FC

09-15-2012, 01:24 PM	#360
kael03 Aspiring Physicist Join Date: May 2010 Age: 27 Posts: 4,606 Thanks: 4,861 Thanked 8,545 Times in 3,788 Posts	Re: Naruto_600 You're a little off there, chief. Real world genetics does have a role here logically. Look at bloodline limits. They appear in people related by clan and can't be used by people without the genetic capabilities to do so. Hence anyone with a sharingan being unable to copy bloodline limits. Also, wind does enhance fire, but it is strong against lightning. Enough friction can cause flames to appear, so Morning Peacock is feasible with suspension of disbelief involving the enhancements from opening the gates. Gold does have magnetic properties, just not the ones depicted in the manga.

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