stubborn_d0nkey

Nah, Kamui is not T/S, but a permanent genjutsu, like shisui's was, but instead of working on a person it works on the cosmos, and what the cosmos thinks is true is true so that's why it appears as though things really disappear and shit.

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Konnaha_yellow_flash

Perhaps, but probably not...

The databook#3 said the Uchiha who awaken the MS gain amaterasu and tsukuyomi... and when those two are mastered... the jutsu sasanoo can be invoked as well... SO then why does obito have kamui... a jutsu with three different variations, probabaly more, with both eyes... Just like three different jutsu...
It is just like shisui uchiha who awakened the MS to merely have a single genjutsu in both eyes, but it is the most powerful ever though just like obito who has a ninjutsu in both eyes which is more powerful then amaterasu obviously...

What else do both obito and shisui have in common??? Hybrid chakra...

Obito is obviously using uzumaki jutsu so he must be part uzumaki then...
and shisui had chakra comparable to hashirama's and there is only one clan with chakra comparable to his... the uzumaki (like nagato for instance) not even the senju has anyone close to hashirama's chakra...

SO kamui could really be a hybrid eye technique of the uchiha/uzumaki...

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kluang

I hope if Tobi dies he dies like this

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Come on... Kamui (and Kotoamatsukami) being a Hybrid eye technique, not something just an uchiha can do which is why sasuke, Izuna, madara and itachi cannot invoke them makes sense...

SHisui's chakra was mistaken for hashirama's chakra and only hashirama's chakra can use his MS genjutsu properly like he did so him having powerful Uzumaki life energy with his uchiha spiritual energy and chakra also makes sense... If shisui has chakra just like hashirama's chakra, but not actually hashirama's chakra... The Uzumaki chakra is the only thing that can compare...

Obito being able to use uzumaki techniques suggest he is a hybrid... And since kakashi's clan the hattake has yet to be confirmed as descendants of the younger son... I think Obito was born a hybrid, not made one by madara with zetsu material which is why kakashi can achieve kamui... Obito's hybrid eye power is trapped in his eye kakashi was given...

And naruto and obito do look similar... And with both uzumaki hybrids... I could see...

obito: I am an Uzumaki...

Naruto: What!!! Me too, we are family... lets be brother and frolic...

Obito: IDK... I was going to revive Rin using the juubi's power, but I do need a brother... I told My only other brother I was still alive and my plan... He tore his own eyes out and committed suicide... I do not know why, my plan is epic...

Naruto: So that is why shisui offed himself... but my plans are just as gay and uneventful... and Sasuke is too cool for now so lets be brother... frolic with me...

Obito: Okay... Gay character style, Frolic-no-jutsu...

*Naruto and obito join hands and skip off to frolic while music plays in the back ground "Something tells me I'm into something good, something tells me I'm into something"...*

See, it works out for obito to be an uzumaki...

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Konnaha_yellow_flash

Just a thought....

Minato gave naruto the ninetails chakra so he could complete "that jutsu"...

But what is that jutsu??? Then again what could the kyuubi offer? and how will it apply to the defeat of madara/tobi...

1). Huge chakra level and stamina for a huge jutsu like the bijuudama... but brute force does not seem to be minato's idea IMO...

2). the sensory ability of the kyuubi's power in order to improve the FTG...

3). The pure life energy of the chakra is exactly as it sounds, pure life force like what the reaper takes from it's user... so minato intended naruto to use the kyuubi's huge stock of life force to complete the reaper death seal by having it take the life energy instead of his own soul...

IDK, although I am certain naruto will learn the FTG... I also think naruto will improve the shiki fuujin so that he goes into kyuubi mode, makes a clone and has it summon and use the reaper death seal...
and because the clone's in kyuubi mode have so much life energy... it is as if they have live's of their own to sacrifice for the reaper... But, I am not sure how that will come back onto him or if it will come back onto the kyuubi instead due to being in kyuubi mode...

Perhaps... IDK, and that is all...'

*walks out*

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AOTKorby

What I'm seeing here is a lot of Correlation and Causation fallacy. Only those who are presumably somehow not purely Uchiha (i.e. with the blood/genes of the younger son's lineage somehow accessable) with a MS can use the two sides of Kamui (Obito's and Kakashi's) because only only people who have met those conditions have done so. That's what you're saying. What that fails to take into account is that Shisui also has a Mangekyou Sharingan tech which no other Uchiha has and more importantly, that Obito and Kakashi have the same MS. In this case, it's much more plausible to reason that Kamui's power is one unique to Obito's eyes as Kokoamatsukami is to Shisui's.

EDIT: Also worth pointing out that Madara has both sides of the RS' lineage, yet he has shown no sign of using any form of Kamui.

Also, where has Tobi used any Uzumaki techniques? His binding techniques are specifically stated to be derived from the Rinnegan. And then assuming that the Hatake must be descendants of the younger son doesn't make a fuck of sense given that Kakashi has absolutely none of the "distinguishing factors" of an Uzumaki or a Senju.

Also, why are you still convinced that Shisui had Hashirama's chakra when he totally didn't?

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[QUOTE=AOTKorby;2124083]except I did, You just did not read far enough obviously because you probably were reading enough to get the jest of it and just said "fuck no, this is not possible because SPPPPPPPP"... Without actually reading the whole thing that explains everything thoroughly...

SHisui, just like Obito has a power related to the second son as mistaken by Ao as hashirama's chakra... and the fact only hashirama's chakra can properly use his genjutsu.... so if both of those are taken into account...
SHisui obviously had access to a power comparable to hashirama's to the point AO could not tell the difference...
Getting tired of arguing this with you because you refuse to recognize facts and the application of common sense....

Adddduuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrr! Geez!

That is exactly what I said, learn to read for the love of jebus....

Madara was not born with the two lineages, but as a basic uchiha who like sasuke developed his SG to MS to EMS before gaining hashirama's chakra (second sons lineage) while obito and shisui were likely born with both bloodlines so it makes sense why madara would not have a MS+ like those two...

Annnnnnt, WRONG!!!

Tobito's use of chakra sealing chains are exactly like kushina's except they come from the hand...
look...


The RG does not offer chakra sealing chains obviously and nagato never used them either... But that is not the only ability attributed to an uzumaki... the ability to regenerate very quickly is too... and guess what nagato did last chapter...


That is two Uzumaki abilities obito has shown now so it is not some coincidence that he could be using the RG because it does not grant anyone of these jutsu...

I agree which is why I said it is the least likely scenario you putz... If you read my OP you would know this and would not be bitching about something I myself did not choose to believe...

However, kakashi as a hatake has done one thing only decedants of the sage have done... Awaken the MS from the SG... Still do not think the hatake will turn out to be directly related to the uzumaki though...

After everything you are still arguing this...

all you need to know to realize shisui had chakra comparable to hashirama's which could only be Uzumaki chakra at this point...

: AO had mistaken hashirama's chakra in danzou's arm from cell implantation for shisui's... That is cannonz... And danzou did not have shisui's arm only hashirama's cells implanted to increase his power to be able to use the SG's Izanagi and shisui's eye...

: Itachi admitted that only hashirama's chakra could possibly use shisui's eye properly... any other chakra could only use it every ten years... meaning for shisui to use his own eye which he obviously did... he would have to have a chakra of hashirama's level to do it... right!!!!

: Obito uchiha is the only other uchiha like shisui to awaken a jutsu in both eye's and one that surpasses the standard technique... ANd he has shown the power of the uzumaki himself using two of their known abilities... and Uzumaki chakra is the only chakra that is anything close to hashirama's so far in the manga...

SO that is two time shisui is mentioned with hashirama's chakra in the manga... and even obito, the only other uchiha like shisui, has uzumaki chakra which is obviously how he uses his uzumaki abilities... SO that is three different thing that connect shisui and uzumaki or even hashirama chakra...

Not to mention... DO you seriously think that shisui could not use his own doujutsu??? That he had to wait ten years before using it each time??? NO!!! He obviously could use his doujutsu properly once or twice a day, not a decade... However, hashirama's chakra is the only thing that is said to allow this yet you still are denying that shisui had power chakra on hashirama's level... Despite the fact he could use his own doujutsu the same way only hasihrama's chakra would allow...

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kael03

One thing, professor. Itachi said nothing about Hashirama's chakra being needed to use Kotoamatsukami "properly", only that it was useful in allowing Kotoamatsukami to be used more frequently. Frequency doesn't mean properly. The effects of the jutsu are the same with or without Hashirama's DNA, just the frequency in its usage is different.

For the last fucking time, Danzo had Shisui's arm as well as his eye. Ao confirmed that and hasn't said shit about it being Hashirama's when we have evidence of Hashirama's DNA being incorporated into someone that is contemporary to Ao (Yamato).

Konnaha_yellow_flash

How exactly is using a jutsu once a decade unlike the original user a way to properly use his jutsu??? Only by use of hashirama's chakra can it be used as shisui did and judging by danzou's use... about twice of so a day... just like amaterasu or tsukuyomi... So yes, in order to use the jutsu properly as the original user did... one needs hahsirama's chakra to do so...
Or are you suggesting shisui used his own genjutsu once a decade???

Really, because last I checked it was confirmed he had hashirama's cells implanted into his arm in order to use many SG's, Izanagi and then come to find out... the only way to use shisui's eye as he did...

If he had shisui's arm then why are you and numious the only ones who know about it... are you the authors of this story because I am confused...

It is not like you any evidence to even support your claim seeing as how hashirama's power is what the arm was producing as said by tobito himself, but only because shisui's was mistaken you insist otherwise... despite the fact it was confirmed that hashirama's chakra is the only way to use shisui's eye as he did... as well as what danzou was using from cell implantation...

Please show me where it shows shisui's arm with danzou... I mean even AO recognized that only shisui's eye was stolen... even tobito recognized danzou only had shisui's eye... then kabuto said in order to try and edo shisui... th eonly way was to use the EYE danzou had, not his right arm even though he knows everything Oro did and he was the one who did all that for danzou...

Evidence to support my claim is here... showing hashirama's power is all danzou's arm was using... AO mistakes hashirama's chakra fro shisui for some reason... then we find out you have to use hasirama's chakra to use shisui's eye as he did so then the mistake makes sense... shisui had chakra comparable to hashirama's... Also, over and over shisui's eye is all that is confirmed nothing about hisarm with danzou... nothing...


WHat really confirms that danzou never had his arm transplanted is the fact danzou's chakra meridians line up perfectly as does his muscles showing his arm has never been removed... only experimented on, but we learned it was implanted with hasihrama's cells to produce his power...
It's danzou's arm, not anyone else...

Just look...


The kicker is the logic of danzou having shisui's arm and hashirama's cell's Implanted in it too... WHY???
Apparently hashirama and shisui have comparable chakra so only one would be needed because they would both have the same effect...
And uchiha's eye's are taken not their body parts because their bodies ar enot that strong... which is why hashirama's body is what is lusted after because he produced the strongest chakra known which is why his cells are implanted into danzou's arm...
There is just no logical reason to even use shisui's arm too... You guys just make it up because you just cannot grasp the simple concept the author has introduced with shisui's chakra by linking it to hashirama's chakra twice now...

That is your fault for wanting to delude yourselves as opposed to just admitting you are wrong about something in a naruto argument...

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Vishnu

Ok so here it's something strange about Yagura being controled with the Sharingan.

If i recall well, a jincuuriki that is synced with the biju cannot be placed under a genjutsu due to the beast disrupting the flow of chakra and thus releasing the jincuuriki. And Yagura is one of the few that managed to fully control his tailed beast. So then, how could Tobi/Obito/Madara who the fuck you want, control him with a Sharingan? The beast would have simply disrupted the flow of chakra and the genjutsu would have vanished. I hate to say this, i really hate to say this, and if you don't belive me i will say it again: i fucking hate to say this...but the only jutsu that could be able to control Yagura ( from what we know so far) is the Kotoamatsukami. What do you think?

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Dude they said that they have cookies and guess what? There was no fucking cookie!

On a serious level right now: what do you think about what i thought?
I mean, obviously if Kishi doesn't add a new ability to Tobi's Sharingan or links somehow Danzo or Shisui with the Mizukage, this one is a major plothole.

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