Amuro

I'm a funny person. I agree that Kishi fcked up and I agree that homer and kish can't b compared. I understand people are human and make mistakes. Idk how to put it but mistakes arent excusable but they are forgivable. If kish planned pt 1 & 2 frm the beginning, then I say he slipped up....he should know better. I was under the impression (correct me if im wrong) that Kishi didnt plan on making this manga this long to begin with...so he prolly (actually he did) pull shit out his ass to stretch the story. Does that make it ok? No. It should b pointed out but to ME....I cn let him pass. Idk y but it's not serious to ME. Ages...ok. I haven't looked into it myself but if ages were stated n pt 1, and here we are w/tobi and obito, imma assume (prolly shouldn't) that kish b.s'd and did wat he thought would b cool (evn if it's not cool it's his manga. Like if I made something imma do wat I think is best n cool fr me) not excusing his fck ups....but
Lke I said, if it wasn't planned to b this lng I let it slide...but future Kishi mangas can't have that or I'd label him a "wack" author. I kno mst ppl dnt agree with me but that's hw I feel...

Kakkakuzu

Canon, maybe, but I wouldn't use the word "story" there. Then again, I haven't read them, but I'd assume it's just a bunch of data, not "storytelling"...

Not that it matters much. Just wanted to clarify my own personal feelings towards the databooks, not to use it as an argument.

They are probably something ordered by the publisher anyway, and Kishi most likely half-assed the work and hasn't given it a second thought since. Not saying it's not unprofessional, just explaining why I don't really care. I can see why others would, though.

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kael03

Read the entire post you quoted next time. I said that the databooks give more information than the manga has room to provide. Regardless of your own personal feelings they are just as much of the story as the manga itself, since Kishi is the one that pens them.

As for being something ordered by the publisher, Kishi isn't the only mangaka creating databooks. Kubo has the "Masked" databooks, Oda has databooks as well for One Piece. All are used simply for background information (I'll keep repeating that point until it sinks in, fyi) that the author doesn't have time to convey in the manga.

Kakkakuzu

I did. Although it was pretty elaborate, I still managed.

Maybe you should focus more on comprehending what you read instead of jumping to conclusions and arguing.

You said, I didn't argue.

Despite the fact that I haven't read them, I have an idea of what the function of a databook is. Maybe it's semantics, but I don't consider it a part of the story when it's not in story form. If it's a list of data, it's just that. A list of data. Additional information. I don't argue against the validity of the data, I just don't consider it a part of the story.

And my whole post was to explain my personal feelings, not to argue against the validity of the databooks. I was just trying to explain why I haven't read them, nor do I care to. I wasn't saying others shouldn't read them, or that people shouldn't trust what they say. Or that people should even care about my "personal feelings", I just don't like to be misunderstood.

And I also, at no point, have questioned the use of databooks as background information. My original question was whether all the timeline related plot holes originated from the databook, or if I had perhaps missed something in the manga. It was not intended as an attack against the databooks. Which is also why I wanted to explain my comment about them.

And the fact that others release them as well, rules out the possibility of the publisher wanting it, instead of Kishi actually wanting/deciding to provide it himself?

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kael03

They are a part of the story. Deal with it.

I'll answer this. Yes, the timeline plot holes originate from the databook. They also originate from the story itself. It's because of the databooks that we know when Obito/Rin/etc graduated and became Chuunin and their ages. The manga had Kakashi state that he became a Chuunin at 6.

You dismissed the databooks completely because you haven't read them, even when they provide information that is pertinent to the story.

Kakkakuzu

Still semantics.

Thanks for answering my question.

Pertinent? Exactly how pertinent to the story is the data contained in the databooks? I assume it's mostly minor details about characters (nothing that's actually required to understand and enjoy the story itself), and if it hadn't created these plot holes none of you who have read the books would give them much more value than I do.

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