Naruto_600 - Page 27

AniMeFaN · 09-24-2012, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Vishnu

Sasori, Gaara and Karui would like a word with you.

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Vishnu · 09-24-2012, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by AniMeFaN

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So now Gaara, a black chick with red hair and Sasori are also Uzumaki? Right now, we have Naruto, Mito, Kushina and Karin as confirmed. And what help would do to the plot if those three above were Uzumaki?

AniMeFaN · 09-24-2012, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Vishnu

So now Gaara, a black chick with red hair and Sasori are also Uzumaki? Right now, we have Naruto, Mito, Kushina and Karin as confirmed. And what help would do to the plot if those three above were Uzumaki?

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Vishnu · 09-24-2012, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by AniMeFaN

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Right...something else?

AniMeFaN · 09-24-2012, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Vishnu

Right...something else?

Reading comp, short for reading comprehension. Meaning you should read my post again because you obviously did not understand it.

Konnaha_yellow_flash · 09-24-2012, 02:11 PM

I had a long night so I will try to argue with you on this, but....

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Correction, professor. THERE IS NO DATABOOK ENTRY. Fuck you for trying to pull that bullshit. The "Six Paths of Pain" technique doesn't appear in any of the databooks, while Nagato and the Rinnegan do. The entries for both of those topics body have nothing for using other bloodline limits.

Nah shit Sherlock, there is no databook entry about nagato's six path of pains jutsu... However, from what we know it is easy to deduce how the jutsu works...

:Nagato takes dead bodies with no soul or chakra of their own...
:Implants chakra receivers in them so he can send his chakra into them, six bodies at a time...
:The bodies are then capable of being controlled, use of RG ability each and all have nagato's consciousness in them which is why he can talk through them all...

It is just like the yamanaka's technique except they use theirs on living people without rods to guide their chakra... they just point and shoot... I mean It is not rocket science dude...

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Nagato:

Clearly states he can only use the 5 base elements.
Rinnegan (again):
Again, says the user can only use the 5 base elements. Bloodline limits are not mentioned, anywhere. When Ibiki says that a Rinnegan user can use "any" technique, he meant any technique that used the base elements. Unless they had the genetic material of a bloodline limit (Madara with Hashirama's DNA), they can't access the bloodline limit.

That DB entry is from the 3rd databook before ibiki even said what he said about the sage's RG ability to use any jutsu...
And you are forgetting that KKGs are just the use of two elements at once... a user of a bloodline limit is a person with an affinity to two elements instead of just one... SO the RG user who can use any element being able to use any KKG is not a stretch exactly... Makes sense...

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Dude, you are fucking dense. The mind transfer jutsu the Yamanaka clan use is NOT a bloodline limit. It has never been stated to be a bloodline limit, even in the databook. It is the Yamanaka clan's specialty jutsu, just like Kagemane is the Nara clan's specialty jutsu, and the Body expansion jutsu is the

Hidden jutsu make no sense... then why is it only those of the nara, yamanak and akamichi clans can possibly use them? There has to be more to it... it just has not been elaborated yet...

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...Gaara's dad had AUBURN HAIR, dumbass, which is a reddish-brown. Meaning it is predominantly brown, with red accenting it. His mother had BROWN hair as well.

Your kidding right!!! Just because daddy garra's hair was not bright red is is not red... lol., his hair is red dude, get over, it...

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Wait, wait, wait. How the fuck is Gaara considered a pure Uzumaki, but his SIBLINGS are not? They have the same parents you twit. And, as I pointed out above, BOTH PARENTS HAD BROWN HAIR.

Do you read the manga... daddy gaara has red hair... are you color blind??? While momma gaara had dirty blonde hair...
And as I said as well, Gaara has red hair because he took after his father who was obviously a pure uzumaki, thus his red hair...

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Just stop. Gaara has never been stated to have the Magnet element. Ever, at all, nothing. The composition of sand, in general, has so little in the way of magnetic elements that it is impossible to maintain a sufficient enough magnetic field to affect it. Not to mention that any magnetic impurities in the sand would be affected, while the sand itself would stay put.

Your kidding right??? Gaara even has the same dark pigmentations under his eyes that his father has, uses sand (earth particles) and looks exactly the same... it is more then obvious that Gaara has his fathers KKG as well as bloodline of the uzumaki...

do not complain to me about kishi's use of magnetism which makes no sense because that is what I have been saying this whole time and you and numi choose to complain about it after having the same opinion at first until I had a similar one later...

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Naruto and Tsunade would like words with you. Enough of that "pure blood Uzumaki" bullshit. Naruto is an Uzumaki, he was born from an Uzumaki, but he has Blonde hair. Tsunade is at least 1/4 Uzumaki, depending on her parents lineage, and she has Blonde hair.

What about the "purity" of the uzumaki bloodline within either naruto or tsunade... Clearly from what the manga stated and how they actually are. they did not inherit much of the bloodline of the uzumaki from their parents obviously otherwise they would have red hair as well...

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Trademark, as defined by the World Dictionary - "a distinctive mark or feature particularly characteristic of or identified with a person or thing."

Just because a feature is the trademark of something, doesn't mean that all of that something have that trademark, or that those with the trademark feature are part of the group with said trademark.

Trademark... What context you keep implying is the correct one or... what kabuto said is the right one...

(Note:Not all pure uzumaki will have red hair after a certain age obviously... their hair will grey... or those who have pushed their chakra too far causing their red hair to turn white as snow)

You: "Just because a feature is the trademark of something, doesn't mean that all of that something have that trademark"

Tobito and kabuto have something they wish to tell you...

Well, kabuto, an actual character of the manga and someone who actually understands how things work in his world... clearly is the one who actually knows about the uzumaki and what tobi's statement "Uzumaki's have trademark red hair" means...

So, either you are going to delude yourself believing your context is the accurate one while the manga character who kishi wrote the dialogue for said character to clarify about the uzumaki's red hair, is wrong...

Or, that you did not wish to acknowledge what the manga actually said because I supported it and you can be too competitive against me at times when it comes to these debates... But you do admit that clearly the author is speaking of all uzumaki's having red hair, which is what he must have meant by "trademark" for descendants of the uzumaki....

You take your pick...

kael03 · 09-24-2012, 02:18 PM

^I'm done with this idiot.

@ Vishnu: Animefan is attempting to be facetious, and failing miserably at it.

Senkradlol · 09-24-2012, 02:35 PM

Lol you think he's trying to be facetious? Vishnu completely took what he said wrong and is trying to correct him or prove him wrong by saying the same thing Animefan said to begin with.. Wut

kael03 · 09-24-2012, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Senkradlol

Lol you think he's trying to be facetious?

I don't think he is. He is. Go look at his first post in this string, then look at the rest of the arguments. He's being facetious/ironic, or a Poe, take your pick.

UzumakiUchiha · 09-24-2012, 02:40 PM

All uzumaki have red hair is not the same as all red hairs are uzumakis. I spent a few seconds to comprehend that. Not a night wasting time

Konnaha_yellow_flash · 09-24-2012, 03:29 PM

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Well, the timeline for RS is 500~3500+ years, so the genetic drift is really an unknown. That said, even taking into account the fabricated timeline of 1000 years, we're talking about 35 generations and you can even count by hand the amount of generations that are enough to witness small differences in the phenotype of related families, like predominant hair/eye color, etc.

My family is a great example: my great-grandfather and his brother had blue eyes and, while my great-grandfather married a blue-eyed woman, his brother married a brown-eyes woman. Result? My side of the family has a huge tendency for blue eyes (specially after my grandfather married another blue-eyed woman) while the side of my great-granduncle are all practically brown-eyed. And that's a phenomenon that took only 4~5 generations to happen.

One could say "but they're still the same family". Well, again, my family has a great example: I have Mizrahim ascendancy that is traced all the way back to late XVI century, where a family of that Jewish clan changed its name and fled to Portugal to avoid the Spanish Inquisition. But my family isn't the only one descended from that family, there are two others that actually branched off each other in early XVIII century (so my family is like the Uchiha and the other two like the Senju and Uzumaki, if you like the comparison). That's only 4 centuries and 13 generations, and we know for a fact that the Uchiha, Senju and Uzumaki clans are older than that (thanks to the Akimichi putting the lower limit at 16 generations/5 centuries).

Of course such genetic drift and conservation of traits depend on many factors, but Kishi actually did a good job on the Uzumaki, considering he placed them on a less accessible region for many generations, which is wonderful for conservation of traits (like the British Isles' redheads, the Ainu from Japan and even the Basques' predominance of Rh negative blood and lack of B and AB blood).

So only a complete idiot would say 1000 years aren't enough for genetic drift between 3 clans, when 150 years were enough for Europe to recover its genetic diversity damaged by the bottleneck effect of the Black Plague.

I was not referring to just hair color or eye color, but skin tone/color as well.
And there is only supposed to be two clans directly from the sage himself about 1000 years ago...

Meaning that two white as white skinned brother, each with black eyes living on the same small continent managed having a whole ranbow of descendants...

basic descendants, correct...
Uchiha:black eyes, black hair... pale skin... just right...
Senju: Back hair, black eyes, pale skin... just right...

However....
Uzumaki:Red hair... light eyes (green or hazel I think) slightly tan, not just pale skin...
Kin:Light eyes, not pale skin and dirty blonde hair...
Gin:Light eyes, not panle skin and Grey hair...
Note:Those who are jinkchurrrikis are related to the sage enough that they are compatible to become one with a bijuu created from the juubi and the sage's powers... passed down through his bloodline....
So then...
7Tails Jink Fuu: Light green hair, Tanned skin, redish eyes...
8tails jink KillerBee: White hair, brown skin and no known eye color...
3tails Jink Yagura: Very light brown with greenish tent almost, not pale skin and greyish eyes...
Of course gaara 1tai and roushi 4tail jinks have red hair, pale skin and greensih eyes (obvious uzumaki's)

the rest look allot like the basic black haired, black eyes, pale skinned descendants except the 2taisl jink with light brown hair... but still....
Explain all how all this^^^ up here came from two black eyed and haired, pale as white shit skinned brothers in only about 1000 years.... It should not be possible if proper genetics is being applied in this here manga story.... even you know it as one of the members who constantly complain about the misuse of science and everything else in this manga...
but the moment it becomes a valid point used against your argument... you change your position and start to argue the opposite which is just sad pal...

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Wow, thinking that people take on only one of their parents' traits instead of the two, thinking that phenotype somehow proves genotype entirely... the fuck where you doing in biology classes, jerking off instead of paying attention?

It is not uncommon for a child to take on more of one parent then the other, pay attention... I never said take on only one parent, that is ridiculous...

Clearly gaara took after his father and his bloodline thus gaining his red hair and magnetism element KKG... why do try to complicate this so much???

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Well, if you actually read the posts in the forum instead of staring at them like a retard, you'd see what I posted in the 602 discussion thread:
So yes, you're a retard. Not exactly something new, but thanks for recognizing it yourself.

Yea, thanks for admitting you were wrong to me... wait, that is not what you actually did... You must of just randomly said, "well I guess madara did give nagato his eyes"... never actually admitting you were wrong as shit and trying to use shit arhuments like "Madara still had a SG in his left eye so he did not give nagato his eyes, you theory fails". SPPPPPPPPPPP *thumbs down*

You already said you admitted you were wrong somehow, somewhere in 602 discussion, but not to the person you criticized and taunted... insisting I have no evidence and you have yours to prove me wrong and I am in denial for still continuing to believe in such a moronic outcome after you already proved me wrong (something like that)...

No, you should have been mature about it, grew a set of testicles over your mangina and apologized to me directly... Then maybe there would be no need for this stupid argument about where or how you already admitted you were wrong about something the manga already proved you wrong on two separate occasions... could have saved us both some time...

AniMeFaN · 09-24-2012, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kael03

@ Vishnu: Animefan is attempting to be facetious, and failing miserably at it.

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Originally Posted by kael03

I don't think he is. He is. Go look at his first post in this string, then look at the rest of the arguments. He's being facetious/ironic, or a Poe, take your pick.

My question is do you actually believe what you are writing and not what Senkradlol wrote?

Konnaha_yellow_flash · 09-24-2012, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kael03

^I'm done with this idiot.

@ Vishnu: Animefan is attempting to be facetious, and failing miserably at it.

Again with the well poisoning... How does this^^^ help your argument?

You stupid, I quit. *goes up stairs, stomp-stomp-stomp-stomp slams door*

Really... is it that hard to admit you are not right about this... the author wrote it and you still continue to believe you are right meaning you believe you know more about his story, he writes, then even he does himself lol...

Trademarks was clarified by Kabuto.... "those in the Uzumaki clan ALL have RED HAIR"...

Just give me an example of someone who has red hair and could not possibly be descended from the uzumaki... and remember, kushina said their village was destroyed which made all the remaining uzumaki spread all over the place meaning there could be some in every known village by now...

now give me an example, prove me that example could not possibly be uzumaki then I will concede... and you win!

Vishnu · 09-24-2012, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Konnaha_yellow_flash

now give me an example, prove me that example could not possibly be uzumaki then I will concede... and you win!

Here is your example.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Chōza_Akimichi

kael03 · 09-25-2012, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Konnaha_yellow_flash

Just give me an example of someone who has red hair and could not possibly be descended from the uzumaki... and remember, kushina said their village was destroyed which made all the remaining uzumaki spread all over the place meaning there could be some in every known village by now...

now give me an example, prove me that example could not possibly be uzumaki then I will concede... and you win!

Karui. Part of Team Samui and the Second Division. Red haired, dark skinned (all known Uzumaki are light skinned, as are all known descendants of the Sage (the Gold/Silver brothers were merely rumored to be descendants of the Sage, never confirmed)), from the Cloud village.

09-24-2012, 02:18 PM	#397
kael03 Aspiring Physicist Join Date: May 2010 Age: 27 Posts: 4,607 Thanks: 4,861 Thanked 8,544 Times in 3,787 Posts	Re: Naruto_600 ^I'm done with this idiot. @ Vishnu: Animefan is attempting to be facetious, and failing miserably at it.

09-24-2012, 02:35 PM	#398
Senkradlol Chuunin Join Date: May 2010 Location: PA Age: 20 Posts: 396 Thanks: 468 Thanked 150 Times in 88 Posts	Re: Naruto_600 Lol you think he's trying to be facetious? Vishnu completely took what he said wrong and is trying to correct him or prove him wrong by saying the same thing Animefan said to begin with.. Wut

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UzumakiUchiha Genin Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 249 Thanks: 725 Thanked 150 Times in 97 Posts	Re: Naruto_600 All uzumaki have red hair is not the same as all red hairs are uzumakis. I spent a few seconds to comprehend that. Not a night wasting time

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