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Let's get one thing straight since many people somehow fall into the same stupid hole as KYF about what Kabuto said.

Here's the raw, in case you want to check it out for yourself.

うずまき一族の血を継ぐ者は髪が赤いのが特徴でね

Red hair is a feature of the heirs of the Uzumaki clan's blood.

Since feature means, in context, a prominent/distinctive characteristic of something, this means that the red hair is indeed a prominent/distinctive quality of the Uzumaki, but that does NOT mean all Uzumaki are red hairs, like the previous trademark remark made by Obito meant. Also notice how the word "all" is completely absent of the original Japanese. So, please, stop using inanities as evidence when the damn protagonist is a blond Uzumaki.

Now for KYF failing at... pretty much everything.

... which is as easily changeable since it's all about how much melanin the skin cells have, so it requires roughly the same amount of genes as hair/eye color. I don't know why you bothered taking it into account, honestly.

It's three clans and the timeline is unknown. You said nothing correct here.

And humans, chimpanzees and gorillas share a common ancestor that lived in southern Africa 6 millions of years ago, and look how its descendants are so different from each other. So what's so unbelievable about people with different hair/eye/skin colors being descended from the same guy a good chunk of centuries ago? Time is key here, and the descendants clearly had time to be diverse.

One of the Uchiha that confronted Itachi about Shisui's death was blond and Tobirama had gray hair with red eyes, and I call bullshit if you try to say Tobirama isn't as much of a Senju as Hashirama was, they're brothers for fuck's sake.

So I think I pretty much detonated your pitiful attempt at undermining basic genetics, didn't I?

Karin has burgundy eyes that match her hair and we don't know what color were Nagato's eyes. So trying to extrapolate eye color of the Uzumaki based on Kushina alone (she has blue eyes, by the way, even on that you fail miserably) is laughable at best. And tan? Where? I'm more tanned than the three known Uzumaki, and I'm pale by local standards.

... and they're not confirmed to be descended from the RS, only rumored to be. And even if they were, so what? None of their features require more time than the timeline RS is in.

Not canon, therefore the examples that follow that asspull of yours can't be considered.

Easy: only the Senju, Uzumaki and Uchiha are confirmed to be descendants. Also, while Senju and Uchiha shared the same genetic conditions by living in the same area, the Uzumaki suffered others by the simple fact of living in another area, which was more remote. After drifting apart from the Senju, the Uzumaki bloodline simply had a significant input of red hair genes, either by mutation or from mating with another local clan and, since they lived in a more remote area, the trait was kept down the generations.

If you don't understand this, read the Origin of Species by Charles Darwin. He made a fantastic job studying this with bird species that were separated by living in different isles of the Galapagos and witnessed the same effect in them.

So the guy who is studying goddamn genetics is telling you that it is most certainly possible with proper genetics and you don't believe in it? My God, your bias knows no bounds.

Of course it's not uncommon, because there's threesome and monosome syndromes resulting from the child taking more or less chromosomes from a certain parent than they should. But the standard is the child taking 50% of its genetic material from each parent, meaning that, by the standard, you're wrong.

O'rly?

Unless you can't read what you write yourself, you pretty much said that both Naruto and Tsunade did not take after the Uzumaki bloodline, meaning they did not inherit the traits of the Uzumaki, which is physically impossible for Naruto at least since he had to take 50% of his mother's DNA. And his mother is a Uzumaki.

It's not confirmed Gaara has that KKG and Temari and Kankurou also take from their father's bloodline, meaning that if Gaara is an Uzumaki, Temari and Kankurou also are, also meaning that not all Uzumaki are redheads, further meaning that the universal premise that even took Gaara into account is completely bogus. So by trying to make Gaara an uzumaki you're destroying your own premise.

I don't owe you anything, I already admitted I was wrong, if you didn't bother to give it a read it's your own damn fault, not mine.

ARE YOU COMPLETELY BLIND? I gave the quote by the word, if you don't trust me click the damn arrow, it'll take you to the original post where the quote is there, completely unadulterated. Seriously, your bias is pathetic.

After you apologize to me for all your slander without being a cynical pussy lashing out more slander over the butthurt.

Well, considering you were wrong about so much shit the manga proved itself and never admitted it, I don't consider it a stupid argument to call you retarded when you're being retarded.

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What kind of evidence is that??? You did not show who her parents were... that she did not have an uzumaki parent... How can you prove she does not have the uzumaki bloodline simply because of her skin color...
YOU CAN'T!!!!!!

and enough about Kin and gin not being confirmed as descendants... they ate chakra meat and gained the kyuubi's power... even growing whiskers just like naruto has.... something a regular shinobi from the village could not do, he died... thus they have to be descended form the sage to use the juubi's power so easily the same way naruto, an Uzumaki and w/e his father really is... does as well....

Here we go again... I translate Japanese better then anyone else which is why I translate these chapters for us.... SPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP *thumbs down*
All you do is claim a trans is wrong when it utterly shits on your argument lol... you have at that denial buddy....

Quit whining because you are wrong as shit as usual!!!

And the blonde lead character is uzumaki by name only... He took it from his mom, but clearly takes after his father... Uses his jutsu, looks just like him, ect... You are trying to argue that because the name "Uzumaki" is behind naruto's, yet he has blonde hair... that uzumaki's having red hair is false... lol, yea, you keep believing w/e you want little fellow...

Now for KYF failing at... pretty much everything.

If you can not understand why it is "unbelievable" that two black haired, black eyed pale skin brothers can become so different after such a short amount of time, not millions of years.... then that is your fail....

And you are still not taking into account that KB, clearly not pale white, but brown... by Control of his bijuu has some relation to the sage as well... So how can you explain in such a short time how all these different people came from that one person???

It was made clear not just anyone can become a jink, taking on the power of the sage/juubi.... Gaara had to be compatible... Mito and kushina had a special chakra that made them as well... Clearly jinks are descended from the sage as well since they can just use his power like their own...
Just something else you will have to apologize about....

Yea....
That did not explain all the different hair, eye colors... or skin tones.... All of which should have taken much longer then 1000 years to achieve from the two black haired, black eyed, pale skin brothers....

and the hair color of the uzumaki hair seems to be more like the uchiha's SG.... Their hair is red, but can change to white like the MS when chakra is over used... It's more a feature of their power, not genes probably...

Birds can fly and go great distances to mate so it is understandable with them.... But humans are bipedal, leg walking, bald monkeys that find an area with proper resources to live, settle.... then once the resources are used up... they move on...
back then, It is not like human's travel great distances for pantie hamster... They pound what was around... because it is all they had... You are suggesting that there was such an abundance of different kinds of pussy that it was easy for the sage's sons to spread their bloodline to so many different kinds of people... which is just foolish...
Especially since not until about 100 years ago did the sage's power (the SG, senju's and uzumaki's) start to really evolve...

It is possible with the ridiculous circumstance you suggested... You are just trying to justify one false argument by making another false argument... Good job...

going by standards... Again, you are basis your argument on standards of actual genetics while standards in the story are something completely different...

You yourself know what dominant genes are so why are you claiming this to mean anything to help your argument... Naruto takes after his father in everything except he has his mothers face...
And tsunade's parents are not even known, but it is said she takes after he grand father, senju...

and for someone who studies genetics you sure do not seem to know much...

Gaara is completely different from his other two siblings... He completely takes after his fathers bloodline, not his mothers... while temari looks like her mother, clearly taking after her... Kankuro doesn't really look like any them...
But point being, gaara's fathers genes are clearly dominant in him which why he has red hair and his KKG... While the others have the same genes but are not dominant obviously they would have been compatible as a jinchuriiki and have a KKG as well...

So no then... W/e... Making a random statement is not an actual apology... but w/e...

Yea yea, I have been proved wrong as well... but your the one who is trying to pass off a random statement as an apology creating an argument out of it lol... Yea, tell me about being retarded king of all that is special...

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People live relying on they're Knowledge and Perception, and thus are bound to them.....
Those Boundaries are what they tend to accept as "Reality".....
However..... Knowledge and Perception are both ambiguous....
so "Reality" could be nothing more....
then an illusion....

ITACHI UCHIHA

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Hey, mister "suddenly I'm skeptical of everything that contradicts my point of view even if I don't understand it", I gave you the raw and even gave you the Kanji in my post that are in the raw. Move your ass and translate it yourself. If you find the word "all", congratulations, you might be capable of finding Big Foot.

Again I say that scanlations aren't infallible and it's worth much more to check what the original Japanese says before clinging to a specific word that happens to be a mistranslation.

Oh gee, I thought he was Uzumaki because his mother was one and he has some characteristics of the Uzumaki like a great chakra pool which was the reason why he was able to be a Jinchuuriki.

Hey guys, remember in middle school when they said that oocytes had 50% of the mother's DNA and spermatozoa 50% of the father's, thus creating a baby with both parents' DNA when the oocyte was fertilized? Forget about it, now oocytes have no DNA because spermatozoa have all the DNA, basically making all kids their father's clone!

Females in this manga? You wish, they're all shemales that somehow are able to get pregnant! Happy nightmares provided to you by KYF.

Do you believe in dog breeds? If you do, you pretty much killed your own argument, since various breeds of dogs are only centuries old, and even some ancient breeds are within RS' timeline. So if you believe there are dog breeds which include morphological differences between each other, what's unbelievable about humans only changing slight things as hair/eye/skin color?

Betting on the future unknown, are we? Well, KYF, I'm not a prestidigitator, so I can't see into the future or pull factoids out of my ass, so I work with the manga provides. And there's no manga panel stating that Jinchuuriki necessarily have to be descended from the RS. So why don't you stop bringing non-canon?

How the fuck doesn't it explain? What the hell do you want me to do, mapping out when and where the gene mutations/acquiring happened so your closed-mindedness disguised as skepticism understands?

The human evolutionary path is conditioned by many factors, like geography of their habitat, weather, diet, resources, risk of predation, diseases, etc. It's also conditioned by mutations on the DNA, which occur at a rate of 0,00003% of the genome per generation. It might sound a small rate, but keep in mind that the difference between humans and Neanderthal's DNA is only 0,03%, so that figure can escalate into significant differences given enough generations.

It also demonstrates how insignificant things like hair/eye/skin color are in terms of the genome, specially after considering that the proteins responsible for them can have different properties by just having a different aminoacid in them, caused by a simple relocation of base pairs in the DNA and even a switcharoo within the same pair caused by a previous mitosis, and considering there are millions of base pairs in the genome, the 0,00003% figure suddenly becomes huge.

Now my question is, you keep saying it's unbelievable, it's impossible, it doesn't have enough time but you never say why it is so. You never provide a counterargument that isn't "it's wrong because I say so". At least I put my knowledge on the table, now what's the reason behind those statements? Or it is simply you not wanting to listen to reasonable answers and preferring to keep yourself in delusion?

(I'd also like to know where in your colon you pulled that 1000 years number.)

Oh my fucking Cthuhu, so much stupid in one go.

1. You completely misunderstood the example of Darwin's Finches. They'll not fly great distances and fuck somewhere else, we're talking about little birds contained in little habitats that are each Galapagos' islands (which are almost 1000 km away from mainland), thus a finch in a specific island having different conditions than another finch in another island, explaining how they're diverse.
2. Finches and humans suffer the exact same conditionings of geography, weather, diet, predation, mutations, etc. The only thing that changes is how they affect them, since finches and humans are different animals. So saying they aren't under the same type of circumstances is stupid.
3. Who the fuck talked about the RS' sons either doing great distances or having plenty of pussy to go around to justify the diversity of their descendants? Because that's a ridiculous strawman. The variances in both phenotype and genotype could happen anywhere in the bloodlines between RS and modern Uchiha/Senju/Uzumaki, it's unreasonable to think they had to happen in the very beginning. Also, Uzumaki's red hair had to appear after they and the Senju separated, since that hair color isn't nearly as common in Senju as it is in Uzumaki
4. You're confusing evolution with the prerogative of the narration. Just because the people of the last 100 years are given proper limelight it doesn't mean the evolution of the bloodlines was frozen until then.

So proper genetics and evolution are "ridiculous circumstances" and "false arguments". You see, this is the kind of thing that makes you sound like a retarded Creationist, but since you condemn Creationism, I don't know what's your stance in the matter. Do you accept evolution or not? Because you can't have it both ways.

Prove to me the standards of the manga's genetics are completely different from actual genetics. Bring me evidence of something that can't clearly happen with actual genetic mechanisms. And before you make an ass of yourself and bring up Kisame or Zetsu, you have to realize I accept there are genes in the Narutoverse that are absent from the real world and that Zetsu is created by DNA and chakra, thus being under Suspension of Disbelief.

Phenotype=/=genotype, dumbass. Just because the phenotype tilts towards one parent due to dominant/recessive and other gene dynamics it doesn't mean the genotype is the same way. It's 50% father, 50% mother, so Naruto is a Namikaze as much he is a Uzumaki.

Right, because thinking phenotype determines genotype and not the other way around clearly demonstrates how much you know about genetics. Which is little to none.

Kankurou is the damn carbon copy of his father, have you seen Kankurou without makeup and his father? You can't deny the similarities.

Also, Gaara, Temari and Kankurou share the same father and mother, they simply received some different genes from both. So if one is Uzumaki, all of them are Uzumaki, simple as that.

I don't know what you think dominant genes are. In genetics, they're simply genes that are translated in favor of other genes (recessive genes). They're not some fatalistic genes that only express themselves on the chosen ones as what you're trying to depict them.

Also, the Fourth Kazekage does not have red hair, it's brown like Kankurou's. Also, the KKG is not confirmed on Gaara. So along with being wrong, you're running on all kinds of assumptions with no canon behind them. That's how pathetically weak your argument is.

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