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Old 09-26-2012, 01:10 PM   #91
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Doesn't even fix that. The Zetsu suit added maybe 2-3 inches to Obito. Even with a growth spurt he still wouldn't be as tall as he was fighting Minato. Unless Kishi completely rips off Dragonball Z, there isn't enough time passing to give Obito the recovery and rehabilitation to fight on a level with Minato. It's just not possible.
actually he was already taller than kakashi was is you check the gaiden arc and minato wasn't that huge he was normal height for an adult.

also he doen't need to be on anyones level he had his mks which automatically puts him in a very high category time space jutsu and phasing pretty handy to have.

maybe black zetsu came after this zetsu that helped obito maybe madara deemed him faulty because he went against orders. and the mask was ater made to remind obito of this guys kindness.

or those mist ninja attacking rin and kakashi are a ploy made by madara to fully disconnect obito with them and make him hate.
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'k this chapter's pretty ridiculous, but this is like the calm or rather, stomach ache, before the shitstorm.
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OK... The Guyver zetsu suit can explain obito's height and strength increase after obtaining the MS... but what about his skills and knowledge as well... That is not something a zetsu suit can offer...

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AT this point, trying to even attempt to predict what is going to happen, much less what has already happened is getting ridiculous...
This part, everyone excluding the Obito-tards, can agree with.

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And in red is BS!!! tobi/madara has not been proven in control... a long haired figure with a SG appeared behind yagura as if controlling him, but it was shisui's genjutsu that was recognized as the genjutsu yagura was under by the person who saw through it and broke him free of it... AO...

Judging by the timeline and recent info... Shisui may have been working for root (danzou directly) and controlling yagura for him.... it is the only other explanation other then akatsuki... But there is still the chance shisui was madara's first choice before obito...
Also... there is still the connection between obito and shisui with their MS abilities in each eye, but more powerful then the standard... they are the only uchiha in history to have such a thing occur...
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EDIT: and judging by the length of obito's hair... he has already been down there so long, he missed the fight with minato a year after his fake death... I mean it taking less then a year to grow is hair that long is ridiculous obviously... SO then who fought minato, WTF... Timeline is all screwed up!
The fact that you are using bodily measurements as canonical facts and confirmation is fucking ridiculous considering how shitty Kishi has allowed this manga to become. It's a fucking imaginary world, where tvs and telecommunications exist, but not a single fucking car!

Edit (and I do mean this as a compliment): Stop using height and hair length as basis for your stances. Do you not understand how asinine that is? You're more creative than that dude.

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i willl say this once and only once. KYF your a fucking retard that ignores logic and manga facts, at first it was entertaining, then kinda annoying, but now that you have been wrong soooo many times and refuse to admit it i have to call you the dumbest man on the planet. how the fuck do u get shisui from this chapter at all? its not even a reading error. there are fucking pictures to go along with the words you fucking idiot. this aint harry potter or some novel where its up to your imagination there are short ass sentences to go with pictures and u still cant understand? u make my 6 year old sister look like a genius
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i think the black zetsu is created when rin dies and obito's soul is torn to pieces ( like buu)lol. so this spiral zetsu dies but a new black zetsu is born
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This part, everyone excluding the Obito-tards, can agree with.
The whole obito, the half zetsu boy guyvered, put inside a full size zetsu man thus allowing him to increase his size and power enough to take on the 4th is just purely over complicated ass pulls...

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WHY THE HELL HAVE KISAME ADDRESS TOBI AS FUCKING MADARA?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And Ao Implied to everyone that the 4th was controlled by kotoamatsukami... while the current mizukage suggested a connection between danzou's doujutsu and the one that controlled teh 4th mizukage... that obvious connection being Shisui... the user of the genjutsu and it's creator...

So again, while obito was implie dot be there controlling yagura... the person AO fought and implied to be doing the controlling was shisui... SO we will have to wait for the incident to be completely revealed before we go claiming "Proof" of anything....

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The fact that you are using bodily measurements as canonical facts and confirmation is fucking ridiculous considering how shitty Kishi has allowed this manga to become. It's a fucking imaginary world, where tvs and telecommunications exist, but not a single fucking car!
When a person is in a mask, dawned fully in robe not revealing anything about him but his size, shape and hair style... it is not illogical to use the only things we KNOW about the character to try to find his identity...

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You are making no sense not me... The author had tobi with exact obito hair, what his size and shape would of been if he had grown up and look who it turned out to be... I just did not want to believe such a poor outcome would happen so I just kept hoping, however, just to be shat on by the authors poor writting ability...

WHat is worse... he has portayed shisui as being involved in all this as well...

SHisui...

: Supposed to be dead, but kabuto could not find his body anywhere despite finding madara's...

: Has a single MS in each eye, but is more powerful then the standard version just like obito does too...

: Has powerful chakra comparable to hashirama's just as obito does with his zetsu half body and full body zetsu suit...

: Is involved in the mist incident just as obito seems to be as well...

kishi has portrayed Shisui connected to all this somehow... so if shisui just turns out to have nothing to do with any of this... I will just give up assuming shisui was the biggest Tobi/madara trolling character ever... what other purpose did he have being so much like obito/tobi...
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OK... The Guyver zetsu suit can explain obito's height and strength increase after obtaining the MS... but what about his skills and knowledge as well... That is not something a zetsu suit can offer...

I can sense an ass pull a'coming...
Idk kyf think about it. He has Madara as a teacher, dis guys been around for a REAL long time, he knows a lot of jutsu. That along with the sharingan (iirc it helps the user learn Justus?) he could learn a lil something pretty quick. Also he has zetsu. He can travel damn near anywhere he want and we know from the sasuke itachi fight that he can basically watch a fight and analyze Justus. That's my explanation on how obito knew how to combat the ftg. That and Minato is his former teacher. I saw a post where someone said obito still dnt understand how ftg worked even when he was with minato. so givin the short amount of time and how zetsu dissected Kirin when sasuke used it, I say zetsu and madara figured out how ftg worked and madara and zetsu helped obito figure a way around it. Imma go on the deep end and say obito obtained ms after seeing rin die and couldda been down there fighting 100 zetsu at once trying to master kaumi (sp chck). I'm exaggerating on the numbers but that's just how it would make sense to me.

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i willl say this once and only once. KYF your a fucking retard that ignores logic and manga facts, at first it was entertaining, then kinda annoying, but now that you have been wrong soooo many times and refuse to admit it i have to call you the dumbest man on the planet. how the fuck do u get shisui from this chapter at all? its not even a reading error. there are fucking pictures to go along with the words you fucking idiot. this aint harry potter or some novel where its up to your imagination there are short ass sentences to go with pictures and u still cant understand? u make my 6 year old sister look like a genius
How do I get SHisui??? WTF do you mean "Get shisui"??? All I am saying is that he cannot be counted out as involved in all this until it is all revealed... But someone as brilliant as you has to make a post to criticize something you do not even understand...

You went out of your way to call me names like a third grader because you think "I got shisui" from this chapter which is not even what happened... You just cannot read... for the love of jebus... Get hooked on phonics... You clearly have trouble with reading comprehension...

You complain about ignoring logic, but how logical is it to insult someone for something they did not even do because you cannot read what is actually going on... Your being a hypocrite to even bring up the misuse of logic in the same post that completely lacks any logic....

Or maybe you are having a bad day and you wanted some thanks or rep for calling me names because your life is just that sad... You are stuck in a pitiful existence where all the validation... sense of love, admiration or even respect... comes from random internet people because you are just... that.... pathetic....
Are you happy now??? Did you fit in and feel like you achieved something? Good for you... Nothing says "I am brilliant" like going on an internet forum and insulting someone about something you did not even comprehend because it seems to be the popular thing to do...

I will tell ya what... I will thank your post so you at least did not do this for nothing and so you can have something to get you through the day...

Have a great day....
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If & that's a big "IF" Shisui is involved in any of this it'll be as a pawn. Unless Kishi decides to do something dumb like make Shisui Obito's brother. Wait a minute...
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And Ao Implied to everyone that the 4th was controlled by kotoamatsukami... while the current mizukage suggested a connection between danzou's doujutsu and the one that controlled teh 4th mizukage... that obvious connection being Shisui... the user of the genjutsu and it's creator...

So again, while obito was implie dot be there controlling yagura... the person AO fought and implied to be doing the controlling was shisui... SO we will have to wait for the incident to be completely revealed before we go claiming "Proof" of anything....
I agreed with you on what you are saying about Ao and the implication of Shisui. That was before Kishi created this shit storm that is Tobito and these flashbacks.

However, what has been stated/shown was Kisame having a flashback to when he 1st meets Madara/Tobi. We have seen Kisame address Tobi as Madara.

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When a person is in a mask, dawned fully in robe not revealing anything about him but his size, shape and hair style... it is not illogical to use the only things we KNOW about the character to try to find his identity...
Why not use his mannerisms? Why not keywords in his speech?

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You are making no sense not me... The author had tobi with exact obito hair, what his size and shape would of been if he had grown up and look who it turned out to be... I just did not want to believe such a poor outcome would happen so I just kept hoping, however, just to be shat on by the authors poor writting ability...

WHat is worse... he has portayed shisui as being involved in all this as well...

SHisui...

: Supposed to be dead, but kabuto could not find his body anywhere despite finding madara's...

: Has a single MS in each eye, but is more powerful then the standard version just like obito does too...

: Has powerful chakra comparable to hashirama's just as obito does with his zetsu half body and full body zetsu suit...


kishi has portrayed Shisui connected to all this somehow... so if shisui just turns out to have nothing to do with any of this... I will just give up assuming shisui was the biggest Tobi/madara trolling character ever... what other purpose did he have being so much like obito/tobi...
Shisui is dead. He's sleeping with the fishies dammit! Hell, he was probably eaten by the fishies!

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: Is involved in the mist incident just as obito seems to be as well...
No... just no. There is no confirmation, no validation, no proof of this whatsoever.

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Oh shit. Naruto is going to get Obito's and Kakashi's eyes. This is how he is going to defeat "the true perfect defense", the perfect Susanoo.

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If & that's a big "IF" Shisui is involved in any of this it'll be as a pawn. Unless Kishi decides to do something dumb like make Shisui Obito's brother. Wait a minute...
Lol, I have been considering that ever since It was revealed obito also had a single MS jutsu on both MS eye's just like shisui.... but obito has the physical ninjutsu and shisui has the genjutsu... the two different jutsu one gains when awakening the MS....

Obito being shisui's little brother or big brother makes sense, but how come obito is used so well while shisui and his super mind control hax was just merely used to control a single village??
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Madara taking a one-year nap? Rins death activated Obito's MS for sure coupled with Hashi's chakra, the blindness side-effect was subdued greatly.

About his timely recovery, This is Hashi's dna we're talking about. Dude was so rich in vitality, he is instantly healed when injured. As if that's not enough, he is able to create a life form out of chakra alone. I have absolutely no doubt that the same dna now forming half of Obito's body would 'vitalise' and heal him completely in the stipulated time.

Same with skills. Hashi controls bijuu, and with his SG would be able to control Kurama with ease. All he did against Minato was phase, phase, warp, warp and when he got tagged, had to run.

Obito-in-Zetsu covers the height part leaving one vital aspect, Change in Personality. No matter how hard I think about it, it's just not enough to try to destroy Konoha just cos of baby crash on a girl who died in battle. They are ninjas for crying out loud. And MEP, come on.
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Madara taking a one-year nap? Rins death activated Obito's MS for sure coupled with Hashi's chakra, the blindness side-effect was subdued greatly.

About his timely recovery, This is Hashi's dna we're talking about. Dude was so rich in vitality, he is instantly healed when injured. As if that's not enough, he is able to create a life form out of chakra alone. I have absolutely no doubt that the same dna now forming half of Obito's body would 'vitalise' and heal him completely in the stipulated time.

Same with skills. Hashi controls bijuu, and with his SG would be able to control Kurama with ease. All he did against Minato was phase, phase, warp, warp and when he got tagged, had to run.

Obito-in-Zetsu covers the height part leaving one vital aspect, Change in Personality. No matter how hard I think about it, it's just not enough to try to destroy Konoha just cos of baby crash on a girl who died in battle. They are ninjas for crying out loud. And MEP, come on.
Obito/Madara could have seen it as necessary to achieve a greater good. His girl wasnt there anymore and kakashi let her die so he dnt matter. Madara probably saw Konoha as being a threat later on maybe? And getting kurama first, the strongest bijuu would have made EVERYTHING a lot easier.

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I agreed with you on what you are saying about Ao and the implication of Shisui. That was before Kishi created this shit storm that is Tobito and these flashbacks.

However, what has been stated/shown was Kisame having a flashback to when he 1st meets Madara/Tobi. We have seen Kisame address Tobi as Madara.
But anyone with a single SG and middle to long hair could have been the person in the shadows... it did not actually reveal who it was...
while Obito took off his mask and showed kisame his face which made him recognize obito as madara/mizukage...
a genjutsu that was used on yagura to control his mind could have been used there too... making kisame see or believe w/e "????" or tobito wanted... the whole thing has been over complicated by the author IMO...

Kishi just completely messed up the timeline and set up of all the tobi's so it could turn out to be just obito or three different people...


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Why not use his mannerisms? Why not keywords in his speech?
Not much to compare when little is known about either character, but obito's did match up some what... but again, did not want to think the author would actually do that to obito after he became a hero and everything....

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Shisui is dead. He's sleeping with the fishies dammit! Hell, he was probably eaten by the fishies!
Then why is his body missing??? Kabuto knows where every single badass shinobi he wanted is and got almost all of them except Jman who is deep within the ocean at depths no ne can possible go into (will be crushed)...
and SHISUI, who he could find none of at all... despite even finding some of madara around to edo him...

Why is the uchiha who is supposed to be dead missing while the one who is supposed to be alive actually dead and edo'ed... The whole thing implies shisui is still running around or body is being held by someone and all traces hidden as well which is why kabuto could not find any of him except with danzou... having shisui's right eye...

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No... just no. There is no confirmation, no validation, no proof of this whatsoever.
AO said so himself... SHisui is involved... it was his genjutsu that was controlling the mizukage and AO even fought him allowing him learn of shisui's special chakra color that is comparable to hashirama's...

AO said himself... he saw through the genjutsu placed on the 4th mizukage so the genjutsu danzou was using could not fool him... after explaining he fought shisui and knew things about his genjutsu that only someone who experienced it should know...
It all implies shisui was there controlling yagura and was busted by AO, fought him then ran off back to the leaf... Then suddenly wanted to end his identity (kill himself) just to go missing completely after that... otherwise there would have been a shisui edo, but kabuto found nothing of shisui at all and is the only shinobi he could find nothing of... stated by kabuto himself...
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KNOWLEDGE TO LIVE BY...

No matter how POWERFUL/STRONG you are. If you cannot CATCH your Enemy, all you POWER/STRENGTH is no more USEFUL then a squirt gun....
And if You cannot possibly TRACK/REACT to your enemies attacks to Defend yourself, then how can you possibly stop him from DEFEATING you at WILL...


MINATO "KYF" NAMIKAZE.

People live relying on they're Knowledge and Perception, and thus are bound to them.....
Those Boundaries are what they tend to accept as "Reality".....
However..... Knowledge and Perception are both ambiguous....
so "Reality" could be nothing more....
then an illusion....


ITACHI UCHIHA
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