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Old 10-02-2012, 07:06 PM   #46
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Re: /Naruto 604\

Wow this could have been pretty decent if Kakashi had been more important to the narrative and anyone had reason to give a solid shit about Obito's backstory at this point.
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Is it me or is something not right here? Middle panel, speech bubble 1 says "we'll use that to guide you". Speech 2 "that voice.. spiral one". Speech 3 "I'm counting on you".

Wtf was all that about? Its like Obito is shocked at this "voice" that he is hearing, and this "voice" is declaring that he is counting on you. That whole sequence of speech was a lil off for me. Sounded like there was this other "voice" instructing Spiral Zetsu, NOT Obito. Why would he be instructing Obito in the first place, and be so emotive about it?

Most of us know Madara is orchestrating shit, but I'm kinda intrigued by this other voice that's got Obito spooked.
It is one of the other zetsu... Obito is hearing the voice of one because of the telepathy thing... He is being spoken to in his mind by a zetsu...
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:00 PM   #48
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Re: /Naruto 604\

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This manga is so screwed up, the only saving grace is that everyone is under Kotoamatsukami, and Shisui is one f'ed up dude.
Something has to be going on IMO... Kotoamatsumaki is one the most haxed out techniques in the manga yet it has done almost nothing so far and the the story is coming to an end with a quickness...

All these people acting foolish the past 16 years needs a good reason and Kotoamatsukami would be a good reason... SHisui or someone else mind fucking everyone, controlling the world is the only way to somewhat justify such a screwed up plot....
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Re: /Naruto 604\

How much you want to bet that either the Rin or Kakashi that Obito witnessed were fake. Or maybe they're both fake. Madara set up a conflict between Obito and Kakashi, and puts to shame what Naraku did to Inuyasha and kikyo.
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Huuu??? An explanation is in order. Based on just this Obito's personality seems wrong. He should be hating Kakashi not the world. Yet this was never played on in earlier interactions between Kakashi & Obito. Last minute dialog before the unmasking is no excuse for the years of neglect on what should have been a very important subject matter. Overall this whole Obito thing was poorly executed. Yeah still doesn't justify him going darkside. 1 out of 10 in story development, & plot advancement. I will say this I wasn't expecting that. O yeah did I forget to mention that Obito still only has two tomoe after like a year of so called training.
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Re: /Naruto 604\

Wonder if there is any significance to us being shown that Obito was able to see through Kakashis sharingan. Either way next week should pick up after a few lack luster chapters in a row.
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Huuu??? An explanation is in order. Based on just this Obito's personality seems wrong. He should be hating Kakashi not the world. Yet this was never played on in earlier interactions between Kakashi & Obito. Last minute dialog before the unmasking is no excuse for the years of neglect on what should have been a very important subject matter. Overall this whole Obito thing was poorly executed. Yeah still doesn't justify him going darkside. 1 out of 10 in story development, & plot advancement. I will say this I wasn't expecting that. O yeah did I forget to mention that Obito still only has two tomoe after like a year of so called training.
This is pretty much my biggest gripe about Obito being Tobi, along with my distaste for how Obito and Kakashi's current interaction is being played out. Just lacks substance.

Rather see Sasuke's story right now.
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Re: /Naruto 604\

Whatever. I have hope Kishi will have a good explanation for this plot twist. Not high hopes, but a tiny, forced shred of hope.

More interested in the fact that Obito can still see through his eye in Kakashi. Wonder if that will have any relevance in their fight, and I'm hoping he'll take his eye back and awaken their full potential.
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Re: /Naruto 604\

Crazy ass chapter. Not gonna condemn Kishi until this flashback finishes. Mostly glad Kishi confirmed Asuma was the kid looking like a pimp in the Minato/Obito battle flashback.

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And don't know if it's canon or not, but did anyone notice that on the first page with the old Obito and young Obito, that Iruka had the scar on his nose in the young picture. Funny how that scar didn't happen until the attack of the kyuubi on Konoha.
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v53/c503/6.html

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Madars never stated HOW Obito got to his base. I think in one panel one of the Zetsu's said they were the ones that got him there but vaguely
They did. Obito fell into a passage and they brought him the rest of the way.

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Wtf was all that about? Its like Obito is shocked at this "voice" that he is hearing, and this "voice" is declaring that he is counting on you.
It was the spiral face Zetsu clone that had annoyed him. Obito was surprised that it was now aiding him.

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Wonder if there is any significance to us being shown that Obito was able to see through Kakashis sharingan.
Sasuke and Edo Itachi were shown doing this.
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Sasuke and Edo Itachi were shown doing this.
No, they weren't. Sasuke was shown to be under a genjutsu that showed Shisui's last moments through Itachi's eyes.
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Madars never stated HOW Obito got to his base. I think in one panel one of the Zetsu's said they were the ones that got him there but vaguely. I would find you the panel but i gtg to campus.
Actually, Madara said Obito just appeared on his lair and said nothing about the Zetsu getting Obito. Reread the first chapter of the flashback.
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Wonder if there is any significance to us being shown that Obito was able to see through Kakashis sharingan. Either way next week should pick up after a few lack luster chapters in a row.
Of course, have you notice Tobi, Obito's REAL Personality? He's sounds like Naruto, and Sasuke, BEFORE THE CHUUNIN EXAMS!!! He never grew up, he's a child. That lead the fucking Akatsuki... unfuckingbelievable. YOU KILLED RIN!!!!! WAAAAAHHHHH!!! A Fucking Baby. The Height of EMO. Now that I got that shit out of my system finally, Capt. Obvious states that since Obito originally said to Madara that my Sharingan with Kakashi together can..blah blah... plus since they can see what each other sees, use the same techs, its a given at some point Obito will inevitably turn against Madara once he finds the truth in why Kakashi MURDERED Rin. It may not be something long lasting though because of Kakashi being tired, but I suspect something similar to DBZ when Vegeta hit Cell with a shot unexpectedly that only distracted him and allowed the Gohan Goku Ghost Kamehameha to blast him into the history books of manga.
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Re: /Naruto 604\

How much better would this story have been if Sasuke and Naruto had accidentally killed Sakura during their roof top fight? By which I mean, why do we need teenage issues now?
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Re: /Naruto 604\

^ God that would have been one hell of a story, not only that when pain revived the ppl of konoha he shud have left out all the teen idiot who does nothing else but to cry.

dont know, suddenly i like the idea that every1 in this manga dies at the end and peace is restored coz "there is no ninja (system) left". This ending i wud see without whining
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My biggest problem with Obito as tobi is the fact that Kishi has to make such ass pulls and plot holes to allow obito to actually be all three masked people we saw..

In order to be the one who fought minato... Obito has climbed into a zetsu suit which is man size and taken on the power of a zetsu plus his own which is already half hashirama as well... Still though, there is no explanation as to how tobi or obito knew about minato, the konaha barrier, jinks seals weak at birth and how the third uses his anbu personally... or how he learned so many seals and how to use them so well like a uzumaki, not a senju...

In order to be the one on the mist... Obito has grown out his hair being the only know character to gain hair then lose hair too... But was short haired when he ofught minato while he is currently long hair... watch obito keep his long hair, but have short hair when tobi closes his head over obito's to cover the long part making tobito appear to have short hair...

In order to be the current one... Obito has to lose tobi suit, know everything madara does and have his spikey hair change shorter and longer, thinner and thicker while in his spiral mask which makes no sense...

IMO, it would have turned out better of there was three different tobi's because such ass pulls and plot holes would not be needed for such a thing considering how easy it would to make danzou/kagami/madara the one from the minato fight...
Shisui/danzou/madara the one in the mist...
And then made obito the current one...
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