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Old 10-02-2012, 02:00 PM   #1
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Guinea Pigs or Oro's and danzou's...

"Guinea Pigs OF Oro's and danzou's"... My bad... SOrry for the size of the first panles, comp screwed up and forgot to reside...

WHite zetus said something aboutthe Mist's "Guinea Pigs" being involved in kakashi and Rin's fight...



And danozu, Oro's accomplice does seem to be involve din the mist incident since it was his ideals that were being enforced...




And even Oro called Yamato a "Guinea Pig" as a part of the hashirama DNA experiment... Where Oro was implanting Hashirama's DNA in kids...



SO it seems that for some reason, there could have been more survivors of the experiments then thought possible and it is all connected to the mist as well...

Yagura being a survivor makes perfect sense with his ability to control his bijuu completely just as hashirama and madara did before him... But without any SG eye's that only leaves one other possibility...

SHisui known for having hashirama-like chakra too and Kotoamatsukami would obviously be another survivor too I would imagine...

There is no telling how many other survivors there are of the experiment...


EDIT:

If the zetsu, plant people of hashirama's cells and power... Can communicate telepathically... Then it is plausible that practical mind control could be used with the same power IMO...

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If there were some people who were implanted with hashirama's cells to give them his power... Allowing them to use telepathy with each other... Then the use of telepathy not to communicate, but to implant ideas and suggestions for mind control is plausible...
Which could explain how yagura was controlled by obito, someone with hashirama's power and the ability to use telepathy with his Poo free zetsu body wrap suit...

Obito actually could have been controlling yagura with Kotoamatsukami... But AO did see through an illusion placed on yagura which was believed to be shisui's koto genjutsu... So it still applies here as well, somehow...
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Re: Guinea Pigs or Oro's and danzou's...

Also, Obito is almost without a doubt using his hashirama telepathic ability to communicate with zetsu under ground which is how he can know where anyone is as long as they are touching the earth somehow...

It is how he found naruto in the hotel, found sasuke heading towards konaha... Found danzou on his way back to konaha... Even found minato as he escaped being drawn in by kamui when he FTG'ed out of there...

I figured it was a zetsu/hashirama ability ever since black zetsu was shown using plant roots like a nervous system to communicate with white zetsu... I did not expect telepathy though... WTF couldn't hashirama do...
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Re: Guinea Pigs or Oro's and danzou's...

but what if zetsu just tags along everywhere that obito goes, that's how tobi knows where to go... but great theory
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Re: Guinea Pigs or Oro's and danzou's...

On the second image, it said that of all the experimented children, there was a LONE SURVIVOR, so it means, only Yamato survived.
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Re: Guinea Pigs or Oro's and danzou's...

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On the second image, it said that of all the experimented children, there was a LONE SURVIVOR, so it means, only Yamato survived.

Not only was Yamato the only survivor....he only experimented with hashirama's cells with the kids(infants).. and Yamato

He also experimented with Sharingans..
Danzo-
because of this work and more he was able to find out the link between SG-RG

other than that..no other type of survivor
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Re: Guinea Pigs or Oro's and danzou's...

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On the second image, it said that of all the experimented children, there was a LONE SURVIVOR, so it means, only Yamato survived.
AT that point in the manga probably... Yamato being the only known survivor after 20 years ago when there was more like yagura, the jink that had full control over his bijuu which would likely be attributed to hashirama DNA/power...

Shisui, who has already been implied to have hashirama chakra on multiple occasions...

Kakashi being able to use kamui makes me really makes me wonder if he was not one of them too... He is able to create water without water around which only those who have an affinity to water should be able to do like tobirama senju did... and can use earth... the two elements of hashirama senju...

Kamui most likely being a technique invoked by those who have the power of both the elder sons and younger son of the sage in a lower form (not the RG, but less... The RG comes from the union of the EMS and hashirama's power which is the full power of both halves of the sage... while obito had a two tomoe SG and hashirama's power which is the full power of the younger son, but about 1/3 of the elder son's full power)... Meaning that kakashi having the power to use kamui... Must mean that he has the ability to use senju-like chakra from either implantation or as a descendant...

How else is kakashi using kamui if it is a senju/uchiha doujutsu as a lower form of the RG which is why it does not lose eye sight, has no side effects... and has three different variations more like different techniques then anything... not including what obito would be capable of doing by using both eyes at once... Obito's MS is the closets MS to the RG then the regular IMO...

It is like a path of the RG with a single ability like deva realm's power... it can only use one power, but has three different variations with shirnei tensai, banshou tenin and chibaku tensai...
While the uchiha's MS has three separate techniques, no other variations...
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Re: Guinea Pigs or Oro's and danzou's...

I forget, who stated that yamato was the lone survivor?
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I forget, who stated that yamato was the lone survivor?
orochimaru after seeing him there at the bridge... He apparently did not know anyone of them survived because he was forced to abandon his experiment after being caught... But danzou could have easily took some other survivors and used them for Root... Like:

: Yagura... the only one of two able to control their bijuu like hashirama and madara did before himself... Hashirama's power would be one of only two powers that could allow this and it is obviously not in yagura so then that leaves hashirama's power as what yagura is using to control his bijuu...
: SHisui... Is implied to have hashirama chakra multiple times and has a genjutsu that is so powerful only the use of hashirama's chakra or equal to it could possibly create such a powerful eye technique IMO...
: Even maybe kakashi who is using a a eye technique that should only be able to be used by someone with the power of sneju and uchiha like obito....

Kakashi was obviously being controlled somehow which is why he killed Rin...
Even zetsu mentioned the "guinea Pigs" which have only been mentioned one other time in this manga by Oro concerning the hashirama DNA implantation experiment that danzou was also involve din as well...
And telepathy was mentioned as a power of those who have hashirama's power as well...

So then the use of either telepathy to implant Ideas and suggestions to control the "guinea pigs" or powerful genjutsu of shisui's level is being used IMO...
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People live relying on they're Knowledge and Perception, and thus are bound to them.....
Those Boundaries are what they tend to accept as "Reality".....
However..... Knowledge and Perception are both ambiguous....
so "Reality" could be nothing more....
then an illusion....


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Re: Guinea Pigs or Oro's and danzou's...

I agree, kishi has shown us that just bc a creditable.character states something, by no means does that mean its true. Obito being the most recent example.
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Re: Guinea Pigs or Oro's and danzou's...

Also obito can see through kakashis eye's. So the eyes are linked, meaning anything obito can do with his eye so can kakashi. Tho kakashi doesnt have the knowledge and training from madara like obito does so all he has is kamui. Tho in theory.... Anything is possible
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Also obito can see through kakashis eye's. So the eyes are linked, meaning anything obito can do with his eye so can kakashi. Tho kakashi doesnt have the knowledge and training from madara like obito does so all he has is kamui. Tho in theory.... Anything is possible
I think the link of Obito's SG is one way IMO... It is his SG so it makes sense only he would be able to see through it with a telepathic-like link due to his use of hashirama's power and only because of his power...

Zetsu foreshadowed the telepathic link between his eye in kakashi IMO with is explanation of how he communicates with his clones... and the use of hashirama's power... It is not something obito had before his use of hahsirama's power with zetsu tobi so it must be because of it...

SO hashirama's power offers him a telepathic link to his SG in kakashi and Kamui instead of amaterasu which offers two variations in one eye... more like two separate techniques though... It is likely that obito could use two different variations in the eye kakashi has too IMO...
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People live relying on they're Knowledge and Perception, and thus are bound to them.....
Those Boundaries are what they tend to accept as "Reality".....
However..... Knowledge and Perception are both ambiguous....
so "Reality" could be nothing more....
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