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Old 10-18-2012, 01:47 AM   #76
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This is his the "cycle of hate" ends. Naruto forgave Nagato for killing both of his Sensei's and decimating his birthplace, forgiving Obito will be cake.

Btw Obito is kinda like Madara, his MS was on tap, and seemingly Sasuke, and Madara are weaker, or less interested in genjutsu, opposite of Itachi, and Obito. Sasuke made a version of Itachi vs. Danzou, Obito fooling Kisame, too hard, brainiac he was far from. Nagato and crew were nomads after J.Man left, with no direction, and running from Hanzo. Santa could've walked up and hired them as elves and they would have joined him.
Honestly looking at this chapter and realizing how much more directly Obito parallels the Elder Son of the RS than Sasuke and thus contrasts Naruto, I think what is going to end up happening is that the "cycle of hatred" shit can only be broken by Sasuke. Sasuke will probably have to choose to reject the legacy of the Uchiha. Naruto effectively cannot break the cycle of hatred himself because he cannot force Sasuke to reject retribution. If he destroys Sasuke he only proves that his "peace love and other rainbow magic" philosophy doesn't hold up. IMO, with the "Child of Prophecy" shit I think the choice which will decide that fate, saving the world or dooming it, is going to be Naruto choosing whether to spare Sasuke's life (because who the fuck are we kidding, Sasuke doesn't have a prayer against the fullest power of Kurama).
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Old 10-18-2012, 02:07 AM   #78
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Kuruma is a pet of the Uchiha. Kuruma at full power was controlled with ease by Madara and all Ms Uchiha's have that ability. So I wouldn't say Sasuke doesn't stand a chance against Naruto.
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Old 10-18-2012, 03:20 AM   #79
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Questions I'd hoped this chapter might answer:

1.) Why did Obito go completely bat shit insane over the death of a girl who never knew his feelings for her and instead loved his rival?
2.) Why did this confrontation end with Kakashi and Obito interacting at all?
3.) Why did Kakashi kill Rin?
4.) How did Madara know what was going to happen to Rin? He seemed pretty confident that Obito would come back and join him, how'd he know?
5.) Why did Madara leave his precious rinnegan eyes in a child in the middle of a war torn country in constant strife and just hope he'd survive long enough to be manipulated into killing himself to bring Madara back?

Questions that WERE answered:
1.) Where did the black Zetsu come from?
2.) Can kishi make more plot holes.

Well....thanks I guess.
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Old 10-18-2012, 03:23 AM   #80
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Kuruma is a pet of the Uchiha. Kuruma at full power was controlled with ease by Madara and all Ms Uchiha's have that ability. So I wouldn't say Sasuke doesn't stand a chance against Naruto.
Not all MS users have the ability to control Kurama. And even if you talk about control, it only applies to Bijuus alone. Also, this time, Kurama and Naruto are fighting together and I doubt Sasuke can control either just like that...
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It was for Madara.
I have a hard time believing Obito still intended to follow that through as the years passed.

Nagato had well past matured. Obito could've had him bring back Madara if it were possible or if that was what he wanted. Instead, he was gladly continuing to let him rot and called Kabuto a mad man for bringing him back.
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I have a hard time believing Obito still intended to follow that through as the years passed.

Nagato had well past matured. Obito could've had him bring back Madara if it were possible or if that was what he wanted. Instead, he was gladly continuing to let him rot and called Kabuto a mad man for bringing him back.
Yeah....exactly almost word for word what I said..but at least you agree......too much time on his hands to be a complete failure in the end......
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Not all MS users have the ability to control Kurama. And even if you talk about control, it only applies to Bijuus alone. Also, this time, Kurama and Naruto are fighting together and I doubt Sasuke can control either just like that...
According to Itachi, Sasuke and the Uchiha Tablet, MS Uchiha's can control the kyuubi. So what makes you think these sources are wrong? Think how easily Madara controlled the REAL Kuruma as opposed to this one, with half its power sealed away.

Also, Sasuke can easily break the new found link between Naruto and Kuruma, which at the very least, will provide him an opening.
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According to Itachi, Sasuke and the Uchiha Tablet, MS Uchiha's can control the kyuubi. So what makes you think these sources are wrong? Think how easily Madara controlled the REAL Kuruma as opposed to this one, with half its power sealed away.

Also, Sasuke can easily break the new found link between Naruto and Kuruma, which at the very least, will provide him an opening.

Not even Madara could summon Kurama once he was brought back with Edo...Naruto and Kurama are synched completely together..No genjutsu can break that connection..Not only that..If the connection could be easily broken by someone of Sasukes caliber then Madara at this moment would already have both Hachibi and Kyuubi. At this point breaking their seals, connection is anything but easy.. Naruto has an even stronger connection to his bijuu unlike that of KB. So to say Sasuke could just enter Naruto's consciousness and seal away the chakra source so Naruto couldn't tap into is wrong. Sasukes reach with Naruto is so far off.. If his ems status has really boosted his own skill we have yet to see it..
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Not even Madara could summon Kurama once he was brought back with Edo...Naruto and Kurama are synched completely together..No genjutsu can break that connection..Not only that..If the connection could be easily broken by someone of Sasukes caliber then Madara at this moment would already have both Hachibi and Kyuubi. At this point breaking their seals, connection is anything but easy.. Naruto has an even stronger connection to his bijuu unlike that of KB. So to say Sasuke could just enter Naruto's consciousness and seal away the chakra source so Naruto couldn't tap into is wrong. Sasukes reach with Naruto is so far off.. If his ems status has really boosted his own skill we have yet to see it..
I didn't say summon the kyuubi, I said break their link. Also, Madara is only NOW facing Naruto and the Kyuubi so its yet to be seen how hard it will be for him to break their connection. Previously, he tried to summon the kyuubi when facing Naruto's clone. This is actually the first time he will be facing them.

I was too rash saying Sasuke will break their link easily however, I still believe he can, albeit, a lil harder
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I didn't say summon the kyuubi, I said break their link. Also, Madara is only NOW facing Naruto and the Kyuubi so its yet to be seen how hard it will be for him to break their connection. Previously, he tried to summon the kyuubi when facing Naruto's clone. This is actually the first time he will be facing them.

I was too rash saying Sasuke will break their link easily however, I still believe he can, albeit, a lil harder
Either way...just think about it this way..Mito stole Kurama from Madara..by sealing him within her...in the process they somehow synched to where Naruto was with his base rikudou mode. If it was easy to split apart their connection Mito would of never got ahold of Kyuubi. Kishi builds up the connection thing to only weaken it to have Madara strip Kurama from Naruto..I don't see it coming or happening.. Without these powers Naruto and KB would have zero chance and the bad guys would win.... Now only way Kishi could save it is if Naruto does in fact become the real Resurrection of the Sage of Six Paths. Then he would not need to rely on Kurama's power. But hey man we both could be wrong or right..since Kishi hasn't hinted at going this direction
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Madara already showed that if he tries to summon the kyuubi it puts naruto on his knees in pain... so that is a matter of control an uchiha can have over naruto... but, is irrelevant now since perfect sasanoo surpasses the bijuu, and guess what kurama is... Yea...

Perfect sasanoo is sasuke's way of surpassing kurama mode naruto... control of the kyuubi and naruto with the MS is no longer necessary... despite plausible considering naruto's genjutsu weakness and kurama's slavery to the MS....
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Not even Madara could summon Kurama once he was brought back with Edo...Naruto and Kurama are synched completely together..No genjutsu can break that connection..Not only that..If the connection could be easily broken by someone of Sasukes caliber then Madara at this moment would already have both Hachibi and Kyuubi.
He's referencing early part II. Sasuke with the standard 3 tomoe Sharingan walked into Naruto's inner world and suppressed that chakra.

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Either way...just think about it this way..Mito stole Kurama from Madara..by sealing him within her
Hashirama stole Kurama and Mito sealed him.
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He's referencing early part II. Sasuke with the standard 3 tomoe Sharingan walked into Naruto's inner world and suppressed that chakra.

Hashirama stole Kurama and Mito sealed him.
Um...I know what he is referring to...did I not say Sasuke entering Naruto's subconsciousness? And the matter is not that Hashi helped her...it's the fact that if it was simple to just waltz in and take..Madara would of left with his pet....
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^if all tht is possible he could have done it when he was fighting hachibi right?
I guess going hand in hand with a tail beast might have some perks of its own. Remember Son Goku said that "that mask man cannot come in here" or something like that which is even with a SG, MS and RG.
So i guess naruto has a better adv over sasuke in that aspect
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