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Old 11-02-2012, 05:02 PM   #136
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Re: Secret behind Obito's Kamui?

You know, I had this long and detailed post refuting you and m.u., but I realized you will just ignore it because it goes against your deluded interpolation of the manga. So... fuck it.

Cool story, bro.
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Old 11-04-2012, 11:11 AM   #137
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Re: Secret behind Obito's Kamui?

@kael: lol, whats the matter, scared your points wont stand up to scrutiny?
So now were deluded because you and others say so. Lol, cool story bro
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Old 11-04-2012, 01:02 PM   #138
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@kael: lol, whats the matter, scared your points wont stand up to scrutiny?
Not scared, just tired of beating my head against a brick wall. You and KYF are so focused on a mistranslation that you won't agree to anything else.

But, I'll humor you with a couple of quick points:

1. If the jutsus are so different, or have different versions as you claim, why bother naming them the same name? Makes no sense and Occam's Razor says that the Sage's ability, Banbutsu Souzou, is the precurser to Izanagi, not just another version of it.

2. The manga states that the Uchiha don't need Senju DNA to perform Izanagi, as Madara/Obito are the only known Uchiha with Senju DNA and Izanami was created to counter Izanagi long before Madara fought with Hashirama.

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So now were deluded because you and others say so. Lol, cool story bro
Considering the overwhelming majority of the english speaking fanbase, on top of the original raw, says you and KYF's version of things is wrong...yes, you are deluded.

Anyway, I'm done with you. Enjoy your time on my ignore list, KYF is getting lonely there.
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Old 11-04-2012, 01:28 PM   #139
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Not scared, just tired of beating my head against a brick wall. You and KYF are so focused on a mistranslation that you won't agree to anything else.

But, I'll humor you with a couple of quick points:

1. If the jutsus are so different, or have different versions as you claim, why bother naming them the same name? Makes no sense and Occam's Razor says that the Sage's ability, Banbutsu Souzou, is the precurser to Izanagi, not just another version of it.

2. The manga states that the Uchiha don't need Senju DNA to perform Izanagi, as Madara/Obito are the only known Uchiha with Senju DNA and Izanami was created to counter Izanagi long before Madara fought with Hashirama.



Considering the overwhelming majority of the english speaking fanbase, on top of the original raw, says you and KYF's version of things is wrong...yes, you are deluded.

Anyway, I'm done with you. Enjoy your time on my ignore list, KYF is getting lonely there.
1. You clearly have the comprehension of a blonde bimbo, but its ok, its not your fault. Tobi amd Danzou perform a technique called Izanagi, which saved their lives. Tobi then says the jutsu comes from an original application of a jutsu called BS. However UNLIKE BS and the SAGE, he could much more with the application of Izanagi, than simply cast a genjutsu on one self.

So obviously you simpleton, it is a different version of it, although it bares the same name.

2. Lol, this part is your idiocy at its best. When did me or Kyf say Izanagi needs Senju dna? Dummy, we've being saying, the exact opposite.

I'm on your ignore list. Ooooh the pain, the horror of it all. As you can imagine, I'm devastated that Kael has chosen to ignore me and leave me isolated in this world called Fandom Forum. Please Kael, please don't do this to me. I need you in my life. Kmt
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:13 PM   #140
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Re: Secret behind Obito's Kamui?

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Not scared, just tired of beating my head against a brick wall. You and KYF are so focused on a mistranslation that you won't agree to anything else.
WTF are you talking about??? I have the most accurate translation there is so you are just deluding yourself that there is a version that says something else just because you will not agree that Izanagi is what the sage used to create the bijuu and many other things with his power...

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But, I'll humor you with a couple of quick points:

1. If the jutsus are so different, or have different versions as you claim, why bother naming them the same name? Makes no sense and Occam's Razor says that the Sage's ability, Banbutsu Souzou, is the precurser to Izanagi, not just another version of it.
WHy bother... IDK, maybe because one was the original created and used by the sage while the other is just a half ass byproduct of half the sages power, created by the uchiha with a counter jutsu as well... Izanami...

The original brings imagination to life by applying YIN element to cast a genjutsu, then applying YANG element to bring the genjutsu to life...
The sage's Izanagi is the power to make genjutsu real... allowing the sage to make anything his mind can think up, REAL...
This power requires the Uchiha/YIN and Senju/YANG powers to use it...

Meanwhile, the uchiha's kinjutsu Izanagi is the power to turn reality into an illusion for a moment in order to cheat death... This power requires only the Uchiha/YIN power to use... But, the power of the senju/YANG can be used, but only to increase the time reality can be an illusion...


That is two Izanagi's that both require two different things and do, two completely different things...!!!!!
The uchiha's Izanagi is a self cast genjutsu with the power to cheat death at the cost of one's eye...
While the Sage's Izanagi as it originally was, is a creation jutsu that uses the power of Yin/Yang/uchiha+senju to make anything the sage thinks up, imagines... real.... Bringing imagination to life....

WHat more do you need...!?!?

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2. The manga states that the Uchiha don't need Senju DNA to perform Izanagi, as Madara/Obito are the only known Uchiha with Senju DNA and Izanami was created to counter Izanagi long before Madara fought with Hashirama.
Nah shit shirlock... that is the uchiha's kinjutsu Izanagi they created which only uses the power of the uchiha/YIN element while the sage's Izanagi requires the power of the Uchiha/YIN and Senju/YANG to perform... You have debunked your own argument by admitting there is another Izanagi which you insisted there was not... that there is only one yet you clearly understand that there is two if you understand the uchiha's Izanagi...

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Considering the overwhelming majority of the english speaking fanbase, on top of the original raw, says you and KYF's version of things is wrong...yes, you are deluded.
You and narutowiki can suck a wang dude!!! You guys are deluding yourselves despite the overwhelming evidence of the manga dialogue itself...

Naruto 510 was about Izanagi... not banbutsu souzou... Izanagi was the "shocking and forbidden technique" the chapter was referring to, not banbutsu souzou...

the manga says and I quote:

Konan: "How did you survive... I did countless simulations you should be dead"

tobito: 'Izanagi... the uchiha's forbidden jutsu that connects illusion and reality"..

Konan: "you don;t have such power"...

Tobito: "you are a former ally so I suppose I can tell you a little about my technique and history....

...Izanagi was Originally the practical application of the sage's creation of all things....

...with the power of the uchiha and senju being one....

...the sage was both bloodlines, both clans... and with his power he created many things....

...by applying IMAGINATION and spiritual energy, this formed the basis for the YIN element that could create shape and form from nothingness...

...Then by applying life energy and physical energy, the basis for the YANG element was created and it could BRING the IMAGINED shape and form TO LIFE....

...The nine beast were also a creation of the sage... By using the chakra of the tentails....

...The power to BRING IMAGINATION TO LIFE... THAT IS IZANAGI....


This^^^explains that Izanagi was originally something else... the practical application of creation of all things which used the power of the uchiha/YIN and senju/YANG to create many different things... the bijuu were one such creation... there you have it... learn to read and quit trying to claim false translations just because you cannot accept reality...

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Anyway, I'm done with you. Enjoy your time on my ignore list, KYF is getting lonely there.
You are doing a good job of ignoring me aren't ya lol....

You know, the only reason people like you and numi use the ignore list is because you cannot stand to have your sheltered, weak reality shaken by someone... You wish to just put your fingers in your ears and play "lalalala... I don't hear you" just so you can continue to live in a pure delusional reality where manga is what you say it is... not the authors... and were you can win an argument by making claims that you have a great argument, but will not post it because it will make no difference... Yea, you have fun with that...
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:58 PM   #141
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Re: Secret behind Obito's Kamui?

Ya know what I haven't been here in a minute but I'll chime in on the Izanagi topic. Sorry for the biblical reference but it's what came to mind.

God created humans in his image giving them some of his capacity(power) . God created man (bs) And man creates man by giving birth ( izanagi).

The ability to create or bs tech is possessed by both god And man but bringing into existance or izanagi ( it's practical application) differs

The sage is god humans are the uchiha ( women) the uchiha have the ability to create same As god aka the sage but can't do it without men (senju) uniting the bloodlines the yin and yang ( x and y chromosomes)

So man or rather woman and god both possess BS yet how they perform izanagi or level of creation is what differs cause Izanagi done by a god and another by a weaker mortal.

Makes sense when you think about it
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