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Old 11-08-2012, 01:19 AM   #15766
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Re: The Longest Thread Ever v28

Yeah, my Dad and my two Aunts are looking into it all. I've done some research and what I mentioned is not a reality, but it is a possibility. A million bucks is not very much in the scheme of things... Trying to make it through this article right now:http://wills.about.com/od/understand...utureoftax.htm

My Dad's 63 years old and has been planning to retire, but was going to wait 2 more years until I was no longer eligible for his insurance. I feel kinda like a brat but I've got a cavity and had an appointment for today, but our insurance ran out in Oct. So yeah. Gonna have to dish out some bucks to get it filled. My gas station laughs at health insurance, yo. lmfao. Ugh. /sadface.

And of course my Mawmaw... I just keep hoping she bounces back and sticks around. But no one is optimistic. Fuckin' reality bites. She had two strokes. I don't know.
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^ That sucks Brooke, if there's anything we Internet people can do to help you out just let us know.



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Re: The Longest Thread Ever v28

And this is why Brunei Darussalam is the best country in the world. (In my opinion)

1. No political parties

2. Brunei does not levy any income tax on individuals. There are also no capital gains tax, export, sales or payroll tax in Brunei.

Brunei does not currently levy any income tax on individuals or other bodies of persons, apart from companies.

There are no social security taxes in Brunei.
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Old 11-08-2012, 09:04 AM   #15769
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And fuck all your shit. Voting is a stupid way of deciding anything. I wouldn't let some dumbasses that don't know shit about medicine vote on what medical procedures I should have done if I were sick/injured as fuck. Because that's stupid. Just like it's stupid that we have a bunch of derps who don't know shit about economics or logic or anything vote for people based on their economic policies and shit. I'm not that smart, so I dunno a better system. I am, however, a huge man-child who really likes science fiction and videogames, so I'd suggest and support AI overlords.
Well, the closest thing to democracy that I think would fix that problem would be giving rates to the voters based on schooling degree and overall knowledge of a specific theme, provided by doing tests some time before the elections and make the vote be heavier the better the rate of that person is.

For example, let's say you want to pass a bill based on Economics. People who didn't complete high school and don't know that much about it would get 1 and so on, all the way to someone that belongs to the NPA and is working as an economist would get like 2.5.

For elections that don't fit into a theme, like presidential elections, the average of all rates would do nicely, so that way someone ignorant of how their own country works and/or should work wouldn't be as relevant as someone who knows their shit.

Of course some people would cry foul over it but there's a simple solution: getting educated. They don't even have to get PhD's, they'd only need to demonstrate they know very well what the fuck they're voting for.

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Too late, I already watched those many months ago and rewatched them last Sunday. But I do recommend them, specially the "trouble" video. I also recommend, from the same channel, the gerrymandering and voting system videos.

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And this is why Brunei Darussalam is the best country in the world. (In my opinion)

1. No political parties

2. Brunei does not levy any income tax on individuals. There are also no capital gains tax, export, sales or payroll tax in Brunei.

Brunei does not currently levy any income tax on individuals or other bodies of persons, apart from companies.

There are no social security taxes in Brunei.
  1. There are no (major) political parties because the Sultan has full executive power and the parlament members are all appointed by the Sultan himself. In other words, the Sultan can do whatever shenanigans he wants.
  2. It refuses to present data on income inequality
  3. Male homosexuality is illegal
  4. Sharia law is upheld above regular law
  5. No porn
Sorry, that's not exactly what I'd call the best country in the world.
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Old 11-08-2012, 09:54 AM   #15770
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I agree with the lack of income tax though, I would prefer no income tax and increased consumption taxes.
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Re: The Longest Thread Ever v28

Seriously - This is what is wrong with the American political system:
White People Morning Romney
When elections become so Us vs Them that a loss gives this sort of reaction... shit. You still have a government, you're all Americans and either you'll all be screwed as one big group or you'll muddle through as you always do. Bush didn't destroy America, Clinton didn't destroy America, Obama won't destroy America.

It is no wonder no one can get anything done in this system.
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I saw that today. Jesus, these people need to grow up. Everyone needs to grow up.

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Seriously - This is what is wrong with the American political system:
White People Morning Romney
When elections become so Us vs Them that a loss gives this sort of reaction... shit. You still have a government, you're all Americans and either you'll all be screwed as one big group or you'll muddle through as you always do. Bush didn't destroy America, Clinton didn't destroy America, Obama won't destroy America.

It is no wonder no one can get anything done in this system.
You know us white people. Always find something to be upset about.

On a more serious note, I think the negative reaction stemmed more from the fact that, realistically, the country was pretty much split between who the next president would be. Obama just got more votes from the States that matter. And that would obviously upset people.

And nobody likes to lose. Not that that gives them excuse to be so dramatic, but sometimes people just like to think they're making a statement when they actually just look like sore losers. (And it wasn't even them that necessarily lost.) But nonetheless, people took the loss personally.

If Romney had won the election, I probably would have been disappointed, but not enough to wear all black and cry like a child. I would have mentally readied myself to fight the power if he tried to take away planned parenthood and gay rights. And then I would have waited for January to see exactly how he planned to handle things, considering he changed his opinions on so many things that I couldn't even begin to wonder what he would have done.

But I do agree with you (so many nickels...) that we, as a nation, need to get our act together and stop being so "glass half empty." We could use this election to try and take more positive steps towards a better future for America. If Congress would stop being such ninnies.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=E1lJ3tfQFpc

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You know us white people. Always find something to be upset about.

On a more serious note, I think the negative reaction stemmed more from the fact that, realistically, the country was pretty much split between who the next president would be. Obama just got more votes from the States that matter. And that would obviously upset people.

And nobody likes to lose. Not that that gives them excuse to be so dramatic, but sometimes people just like to think they're making a statement when they actually just look like sore losers. (And it wasn't even them that necessarily lost.) But nonetheless, people took the loss personally.

If Romney had won the election, I probably would have been disappointed, but not enough to wear all black and cry like a child. I would have mentally readied myself to fight the power if he tried to take away planned parenthood and gay rights. And then I would have waited for January to see exactly how he planned to handle things, considering he changed his opinions on so many things that I couldn't even begin to wonder what he would have done.

But I do agree with you (so many nickels...) that we, as a nation, need to get our act together and stop being so "glass half empty." We could use this election to try and take more positive steps towards a better future for America. If Congress would stop being such ninnies.
Personally, I think this is a healthy sign of democratic state, so all the fucks I give.

I hope this helps the republican party re-evaluate their values. If anything, elections are good for seeing what is and is not working.
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You know us white people. Always find something to be upset about.
This.

Also, yes, it is a direct oversimplification to only go after white people upset. People of all races voted for Romney. I care not for the race distinction but more the reaction. Yes, sucks to lose, but the general public didn't lose! The Republicans lost because the majority of the public chose the Democrats (well,, this time it worked that way). You don't lose an election, you choose a government. The world doesn't end, you don't have a personal stake. Yet so many are over the top looking for doom and gloom over it. How do you go back and listen to Obama and believe in him or want him to do anything over the next four years? It emboldens the Republicans to actively block all of Obama and the Democrate governance which leads to four years of waste (which then the Republicans will blame on Obama and the Democrats).

And this isn't even a Republican thing! THe hand wringing and demonization of George W. Bush was the exact same thing. There is far too much Us vs Them. How the US does anything... it's amazing to me.
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And that is why I am baffled by American Politics. As much as I think their system is flawed and ridiculous, it would work well enough if there wasn't such deeply entrenched partisanship that turned half the nation against anything proposed by the other side. Lincoln's "House Divided" speech is as applicable to the current anti-administration feelings as it was to slavery, and I cannot understand why it seems so unreasonable to come to a motherfucking compromise.

I hesitate the call America a democracy because it shits on the spirit of what I consider ideal democracy: That all people can voice their opinion, logically attack and defend their and their opponent's positions, and use mother fucking logic to come to a reasonable compromise. That first part is obviously impossible, so a representative democracy is needed, but it would work just as well if people would just stop thinking that there has to be an enemy. It's not "you" against "them," it's one mother fucking nation; fucking act like it.
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I will add that I don't really give the Canadian Government a true pass on it either - there is a tonne of partisanship in our system, too. We even have a Senate (which in our system is a group of individuals who are chosen by the ruling Government to serve pretty much as long as they want and whose job is to sit on money wasting committees and ratify things the House of Commons want passed... which if you fill the Senate with Conservatives and another party gains power could be pretty awful. Needs to be scrapped). But the power is wielded by the Prime Minister and his Cabinet to set an agenda and have it approved by the House. If the party has a majority, things are passed pretty quickly. In a Minority, they have to gain votes or be defeated. With four parties (OK, five) there, they need to find consensus.

It still breaks down to some nasty partisanship (the current Conservative government has been one of the worst in a long long while) but at times, there is a need to work together and they do. There really isn't this four years regardless system.
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The problem with any partisan politics is that, the more time passes by, the more bipartisan politics are. That has been the nature of the game since the dawn of times.

What could fix it would be a unity government, in other words, a government proportionally represented by the voted parties instead of a one-party government. That would force parties within the government to sort their shit out in order to properly work.
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