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Old 11-09-2012, 09:42 AM   #15781
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Re: The Longest Thread Ever v28

Yeah, we definitely have partisanship as well, but I think having more than two parties helps to lessen the effects of it. Ideally I would like to see parties done away with entirely or at least have less "you're in this party, so you have to vote this way." You can't have a real debate when there is force allegiance to a party.

I'd also like to see social media start reducing spending on campaigning. I know this would kind of fuck over old people, but I'd like to see just a single website as a database of candidates. You find your constituency, and it gives you a list of the candidates, information about them, links to their personal website or YouTube account or whatever. The database site could be the only government funded part of campaigning, and the candidates could just use freely available tools to express their platform and ideas.


And yes, the Senate is completely useless and should be abolished.
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Old 11-09-2012, 10:07 AM   #15782
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Re: The Longest Thread Ever v28

Oh yeah, party lines bug the crap out of me especially on issues that you know the party is split on. The Ominbus Budget bills are also a terrible terrible mar on our democracy. Put forth by a guy who complained about them back in the day.

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Old 11-09-2012, 12:17 PM   #15783
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Re: The Longest Thread Ever v28

Well, we can't compromise with people about a lot of things. I don't think we should be looking to compromise with people who want to deny people rights and freedoms. Republican social positions are horrible and should be completely abandoned. Those people really, seriously, need to just stop that shit. There is no middle ground there.

Agree that the obstructionists in congress need to fuck off too.
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:47 PM   #15784
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@ Mibs: If the US started using alternative vote, proportional representation and incentives to bipartisan fragmentation, I think the theocratic loonies of the Republican party would be absent from any relvant seat of power.
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:04 PM   #15785
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Re: The Longest Thread Ever v28

If i wasn't set on marrying doug i would DEFINITELY marry Numinous
I think the Alternative Vote system would work much better. pretty much every where...

Do you know what's great? knowing about Electoral systems and nothing about politics. I lead a happy ignorant life, it's a very simple way to live. (except the ridings in my town, i know shit about that...)
I don't know anything about politics so i make a point of not complaining about most of it. The only thing i do know about is different electoral systems, because i actually really enjoy learning about that stuff.



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My Princess Rosalina costume got third place in the anime division (no game division this year) of the Central Canada Comic Con Cosplay Contest. (MORE C's! C's for everyone!)
When the Con finally posts the gosh darn pictures of the contestants, i will post pictures.
gosh darn it they are slow.

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Old 11-09-2012, 02:35 PM   #15786
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If only I wasn't committed...

To be honest, I've been far more into politics and economics ever since Troika slapped us and the goddamn government is both stupid and stubborn to the max. It's rather sad when someone like me who never took economics, not even in high school, comes up with a plan far better than the travesty that is 2013's national budget.

It's funny in a way in that US politics are shitty due to the system and reluctance of changing it, while Portugal has an awesome political system and politics are even shittier because 99% of politicians are beyond corrupt and no outer entity has the balls to unleash the Interpol in our politicians like Iceland did.
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Old 11-09-2012, 03:55 PM   #15787
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We even have a Senate (which in our system is a group of individuals who are chosen by the ruling Government to serve pretty much as long as they want and whose job is to sit on money wasting committees and ratify things the House of Commons want passed).
The only difference between this description of the Canadian Senate and the US Senate is how the officials are selected.

Edit: As far as the US economy is concerned, I think the biggest thing that needs to be done is reroute a chunk of the funds aimed at the military (nothing against our soldiers, I'm of the mindset that we don't need to have a military presence in every damn country on the planet, only a military presence that tells other countries to not fuck with us) towards things like cleaner fuel sources, education, and the space program.

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Old 11-09-2012, 05:17 PM   #15788
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It's funny in a way in that US politics are shitty due to the system and reluctance of changing it
It's because Madison was crazy afraid of mass-control, along with the ability of the government to do too much to suppress the people. Our system is so fragmented because it forces cohesion to make change, which is what he wanted: a slow moving process so that it would be difficult for both the people, and officials, to exploit it--checks and balances, and such.

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If the US started using alternative vote, proportional representation and incentives to bipartisan fragmentation, I think the theocratic loonies of the Republican party would be absent from any relevant seat of power.
As much as I think all the crazies will herd together to attain a decent percentage in a PR-house system, I also think that the majority of voters aren't really far right or far left, but rather dangle somewhere close to the middle, having leanings one way or the other. A PR system would ease the retarded "us vs them" battle that bipartisanship cultivates, and I think it would make for a smoother election process, especially if officials are presented for the party rather than elected. This would cut down on the fucking waste of money in campaigning. PACs, Super PACs, along with bundling, and soft money are easily some of the most corrupt things our election process has spawned.
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:42 PM   #15789
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Too bad parties thrived on the fragmentation rather than the attempt of cohesion.

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As much as I think all the crazies will herd together to attain a decent percentage in a PR-house system, I also think that the majority of voters aren't really far right or far left, but rather dangle somewhere close to the middle, having leanings one way or the other.
Well, both are somewhat correct. I'd say 80% of people are centrists or moderates, which leaves room for extremists to vote on a middle-of-the-road party and ensure seats for them, but the thing is I think the true crazies make up for 1% in a given extremity of the wings, so, if they voted on a party that truly expressed their convictions, they'd get at tops 1 seat on the government in some lousy department no one gives a shit about because the other parties wouldn't let that seat be of any relevancy.
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:58 PM   #15790
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Too bad parties thrived on the fragmentation rather than the attempt of cohesion.



Well, both are somewhat correct. I'd say 80% of people are centrists or moderates, which leaves room for extremists to vote on a middle-of-the-road party and ensure seats for them, but the thing is I think the true crazies make up for 1% in a given extremity of the wings, so, if they voted on a party that truly expressed their convictions, they'd get at tops 1 seat on the government in some lousy department no one gives a shit about because the other parties wouldn't let that seat be of any relevancy.
I'm also trying to take into account those that might vote for a representative due to misinformation. While voting for a party happens a lot now because it's the "lesser evil," it's still a problem that people vote for one because "Well, they agree with me on a few points, so that makes them good, right?" This might happen while either completely ignoring, or just not being fully informed of the full scope of a representatives stance. This happens frequently because people aren't encouraged to fully inform themselves. This isn't always the case, but for one reason or another, while the ability to vote for another might be an option [that would properly represent them], they may not know that. Naw'meen? It might not be enough to have a massive seat [like 25%], but it's still enough.
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I'm also trying to take into account those that might vote for a representative due to misinformation. While voting for a party happens a lot now because it's the "lesser evil," it's still a problem that people vote for one because "Well, they agree with me on a few points, so that makes them good, right?" This might happen while either completely ignoring, or just not being fully informed of the full scope of a representatives stance. This happens frequently because people aren't encouraged to fully inform themselves. This isn't always the case, but for one reason or another, while the ability to vote for another might be an option [that would properly represent them], they may not know that. Naw'meen? It might not be enough to have a massive seat [like 25%], but it's still enough.
That now is a matter of both the campaigns and the media. I don't know if this happens in the US, but here our public service channel is obliged to air all parties' campaign video, which in turn are obliged to show all their ideologies and propositions for government. That's like 1 hour on prime time every day of campaign time that is divided wisely between 20 parties so everyone has enough time to say their piece. Also, coverage of the campaigns themselves is done without bias in the public service channel, although private channels tend to only focus on the 5 main parties.

That's pretty much it, the parties have to make sure their point gets across with decent campaigns and that the media represents them fairly. Of course, considering Fox News exists, I know that's a very steep mountain to climb.
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Old 11-10-2012, 12:24 PM   #15792
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