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Old 11-12-2012, 05:36 PM   #16
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Re: Citizens from 15 states have filed petitions to secede from the United States

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It's not cold-hearted at all. However relating traffic jams to natural disasters as such is a bit inept. In a perfect world, I know of several civil engineers that have met with local and state gov't officials in both LA and MS about the measures that you hinted at as far as possible preventive measures for hurricanes go. The big problem there is insurance and costs. A small (land-wise) country like Japan is able to afford those measures because of their dense population. States like AL, LA, and MS are not that heavily populated, not even on the coast.
Considering 150 billions went to patch up the effects of Katrina, I seriously doubt the architectonic shifts needed to reduce future damage would amount such a number. I'd be happy if, at least, they stopped making wood houses on an hurricane-prone zone, it's just common sense that a stone & metal house might be pricier but isn't as expensive as building the same house every big hurricane.

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These factors were a huge part of my response, which in summing it up... somewhere between the Korean and Vietnam wars, the U.S. stopped relying so heavily on agriculture as an export, which is what made ag such a viable commodity towards the GDP before then. I'm guessing that just like manufacturing, cheaper labor is where the farms went. Tourism has been on the decline prior to 9/11 for obvious reasons as well as economic reasons (restaurants and local commerce fall under tourism in the tax code).
So US should just give up on those things because they're not what they used to be? By the contrary, if the government invests in order for those sectors to flourish, they'll produce as much revenue as an investment solely on industry. This shouldn't be "or industry or agriculture/tourism/etc", it should be "industry and agriculture/tourism/etc".

And, by the way, I didn't know tourism included restaurants and local commerce in tax revenue in the US. In my country they don't.
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Re: Citizens from 15 states have filed petitions to secede from the United States

Holy shit, fucking Southerners.
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Re: Citizens from 15 states have filed petitions to secede from the United States

Obama is to republicans what Bush was to democrats. The shit is damn near identical, a incumbent that the other side hates vs. a rich guy from Massachusetts. The rich guy from Mass loses in a very close election. Dems threatened to secede and signed petitions back in 2004 also. It was just as dumb now with republicans as it was then with democrats.

All this shit aside, what is really pissing me off is Marco Rubio is attending a fund raising event this weekend for a 2016 candidacy. Motherfucker it hasn't even been a month, give us a break from the campaigning! I say we overthrow our government, replace with a 99% same government, the only difference is the President is determined by a MMA fight the first Tuesday of November. No campaigning, no broken promises, the biggest bad ass wins.
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Considering 150 billions went to patch up the effects of Katrina, I seriously doubt the architectonic shifts needed to reduce future damage would amount such a number. I'd be happy if, at least, they stopped making wood houses on an hurricane-prone zone, it's just common sense that a stone & metal house might be pricier but isn't as expensive as building the same house every big hurricane.
My response is rather harsh to those that live in areas like that. I think/believe that if an individual/family live in a high risk area for a natural disaster, they should expect that said event could occur, and thusly, not expect a hand-out from the gov't. I do think though that the insurance companies should still offer insurance, but I don't blame the insurance companies for jacking up their prices. It's the whole risk-reward thing. At least here in the U.S., we now live in the Entitlement Age. Love him or hate him (not a big fan of him), but Bill O'Reilly said it perfectly on election night, "The American population no longer asks the question proposed by former Pres. JFK, 'Don't ask what your country can do for you. Ask what can you do for your country.'. The American populace is looking at which candidate can give or do the most for them."

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So US should just give up on those things because they're not what they used to be? By the contrary, if the government invests in order for those sectors to flourish, they'll produce as much revenue as an investment solely on industry. This shouldn't be "or industry or agriculture/tourism/etc", it should be "industry and agriculture/tourism/etc".
In a perfect world, that would be the case... but we don't live in perfection. I'm actually expecting a further decrease, because back home, I went to church with a lot of farmers that raised pigs for a big national distributor (Farmland) and they raised cattle on the side as well. From what my dad told me, their costs are expected to almost triple within the next year or two (result of natural disasters and tougher regulations). For about a year, restaurants have eaten the costs, but with this expected costs, they're saying that we could be looking at the price of what would be considered normal daily meats for meals tripling at the grocery store and butcher shop. Imagine a flat iron steak costing $40 US at the local store, not in a restaurant.

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And, by the way, I didn't know tourism included restaurants and local commerce in tax revenue in the US. In my country they don't.
I don't remember when it started, but it involved lobbyists. What was happening, was that in certain places, the local restaurants were severely out-gaining the chain restaurants at a ratio of about 15-1. I think it was NY or NJ that enacted the law at the state level first, and it started gaining ground in other states, and was written into the tax code in the 70's. Basically, anything that would cause a person to drive to another town to buy something, falls under tourism. So yes, even in your cow-towns in MT and some in TX have a tourism tax on gasoline.
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Re: Citizens from 15 states have filed petitions to secede from the United States

Better idea: all the people who sign the petition can move to the moon with Newt Gingrich.
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Re: Citizens from 15 states have filed petitions to secede from the United States

@ j_H: You keep saying "in the perfect world", I think you're missing the full extent of the point I'm trying to drive across. What I said pertains to the hypothetical situation the US stops its current economical behavior and adopts a new, revolutionary one, so it's obvious the trends you talked about will continue and the things I say aren't executable if you only take into account what the US has been and still is.

Also, I can't really speak of welfare on the US since I'm not in the know on that area, but the commentaries against it I've found from Republicans are simply atrocious and anti-democratic. Like saying "I shouldn't pay for others' healthcare/food stamps/etc." when talking about taxes which by design are to pay services for all to use, it simply baffles me how some people are so willing to pull the rug under other people due to foolish pride.

@T9F: It's doubly funny considering there's an international treaty that makes the Moon exempt of any territorial claim. Newt Gingrich obviously didn't know that when he said the Moon charade.
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@ j_H: You keep saying "in the perfect world", I think you're missing the full extent of the point I'm trying to drive across. What I said pertains to the hypothetical situation the US stops its current economical behavior and adopts a new, revolutionary one, so it's obvious the trends you talked about will continue and the things I say aren't executable if you only take into account what the US has been and still is.

Also, I can't really speak of welfare on the US since I'm not in the know on that area, but the commentaries against it I've found from Republicans are simply atrocious and anti-democratic. Like saying "I shouldn't pay for others' healthcare/food stamps/etc." when talking about taxes which by design are to pay services for all to use, it simply baffles me how some people are so willing to pull the rug under other people due to foolish pride.
I keep saying "in a perfect world", because both sides of the political aisle in the U.S. are screwing over the layman. I, along with just about every red-blooded American believes there needs to be some form of healthcare reform in the U.S. I just strongly believe that Obama's version isn't the way of going about it. There are nurses already being laid off at doctors' clinics. Several doctors at smaller hospitals are quitting. Numerous employers are already scaling back on employer-covered insurance policies. His version of the reform is furthering the cause/reasoning as to why reform was needed in the first place. The only people who are going to come out on top in the end is the health insurance companies.

There are several people who are against contributing to a program that helps even those that need it. Most people, like myself, don't want to contribute to a program that is severely abused by crooks and thiefs. I'm all for helping out a single parent, or a low-income family that literally scrapes by to pay the bills, by contributing to a food stamps program. That was me and my family several months ago. It got to the point of either falling behind by two months on all of our bills, or putting food on the table. My wife and I applied for food stamps, we were on the program for about 6 months, and we're off the program now. We don't need it anymore.

But back to the perfect world issue, everywhere in the world there are crooks. Crooks in the upper echelon of society, all the way to the bottom shelf so to speak. After all of our discussions, I'm sure you know where my political tendencies lie, but I'm one of the apparent minority that understands balance is needed in the real world. I'm all for off-shore drilling for oil, but I understand the concerns over certain eco-systems... because I love food.
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Re: Citizens from 15 states have filed petitions to secede from the United States

Silly people, talking about the economy when it all the Texans want are (more) guns.
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Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future
So you can post the second bit and i shouldnt be allowed to if i dont tell you? Why be so rude?

Anyways, here is a quotes for noobs guide


1. A basic quote

[*QUOTE][*/QUOTE]

(the * need to be removed for it to work, I put them in so you can see the text) is a basic quote that just wraps something in a quote without saying who quoted it who quoted so

[*QUOTE]this is a quote[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
this is a quote

Edit: there is a button for this, it looks like a speech bubble. If you select text and then press the button the selected text will automatically be wrapped with the quote tag


2. A quote that says who said it

[*QUOTE=who said it][*/QUOTE] this adds who said the post, manually putting that there can be useful when quoting something external. Example:

[*QUOTE=Mangastream]Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
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Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us
3. A quote that says who said it and links to the post where it was said

[*QUOTE=who said it;X][*/QUOTE]

Where X is the post number.

For the post that i originally quoted it would look like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]

That is what you get when you press the quote button.

4. Breaking up a quote

Now that you know how quotes work it all boils down to preference, how you want it to look like and how you want to do it.

One way of doing it is copying the latter part of the original quote [*/QUOTE] and then pasting it after each section you break up, write your reply, choose the text you want then paste it after that portion, repeat till you finish the go back and copy then paste the first part of the text at the beginning of each portion of text. Of course you can immediately copy and paste both parts of a poste so that you dont forget one in the end.

The end result would be something like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4



Which without any * would look like

Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4


Another way of doing it would be to cut and paste the second part of the quote tag after the first section of text you want to seperate then write your reply select the second part and hit he quote button (it looks like a text bubble),if you do that without anything else the end result would be

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4

Which would look like

Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4

To make it like the previous example (which wpuld be preferred, though not necessary ) copy the part that says who posted with the link to the post and paste it accordingly to the proper part in each first half of each quote tag. In my I would copy =minato uchiha;2118164 and paste it where the # is
[*QUOTE#] to get [*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] (of course with the * removed)


Of course you can use any other method you like to get to the end result, but now that you know what the end rwsult looks like I think there shouldnt be any problems
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I keep saying "in a perfect world", because both sides of the political aisle in the U.S. are screwing over the layman. I, along with just about every red-blooded American believes there needs to be some form of healthcare reform in the U.S. I just strongly believe that Obama's version isn't the way of going about it. There are nurses already being laid off at doctors' clinics. Several doctors at smaller hospitals are quitting. Numerous employers are already scaling back on employer-covered insurance policies. His version of the reform is furthering the cause/reasoning as to why reform was needed in the first place. The only people who are going to come out on top in the end is the health insurance companies.
To be perfectly honest, both the lobbyists and Republicans are to blame for how the healthcare reform has become. The first bunch made sure insurance companies would still relevant and the latter were dimwits that cared much more about complaining than actually doing something about it. If Obama was allowed to emulate the Scandinavian or German models of healthcare, nobody would fucking complain except the insurance companies that would become an expensive luxury, not a necessity. Heck, even if he emulated the Portuguese model, it'd be leaps beyond that travesty you guys have for healthcare.

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There are several people who are against contributing to a program that helps even those that need it. Most people, like myself, don't want to contribute to a program that is severely abused by crooks and thiefs. I'm all for helping out a single parent, or a low-income family that literally scrapes by to pay the bills, by contributing to a food stamps program. That was me and my family several months ago. It got to the point of either falling behind by two months on all of our bills, or putting food on the table. My wife and I applied for food stamps, we were on the program for about 6 months, and we're off the program now. We don't need it anymore.
Talking from experience, yes, pensions are abused by some people as anything is, but it's such a small minority that is way blown out of proportion by the anti-taxes douchebags it's not even funny. And, no matter the poor excuses, denying to pay taxes that help people, may they need them or not, is simply anti-democratic, bordering the fascist. The majority of people on welfare need it and shouldn't be screwed over by a thieving minority. And let's not forget people already pay taxes for firemen, police, water supply, road & sewers maintenance and many others services, and there are also moochers in those sectors, but I bet they won't stop paying those taxes unless they want their house burned into a crisp or something similar.

And like you alluded to, they might need it in the future, wouldn't they want a safety net they already contributed to in the past instead of leaving under the bridge?

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But back to the perfect world issue, everywhere in the world there are crooks. Crooks in the upper echelon of society, all the way to the bottom shelf so to speak. After all of our discussions, I'm sure you know where my political tendencies lie, but I'm one of the apparent minority that understands balance is needed in the real world. I'm all for off-shore drilling for oil, but I understand the concerns over certain eco-systems... because I love food.
I think anyone with a brain is for balance, but where people diverge in opinion is in how that balance should be met. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be a right-wing moderate, both in social and financial issues, while I'm on the same moderate spot, but on the left-wing. You give the example of off-shore drilling, although I'm for the US to get some autonomy on its fuel needs, I'm much more for the US starting a serious investment on renewable sources of energy. Portugal made audacious bets on hydraulic, solar and wind energies (and our reliance on fossil fuels is pretty much for home supply of gas, cars and akin vehicles and we have 0% of nuclear energy) and for the last 5 years we're actually able to export energy. Sure, the pinwheels on top of almost every mountain range look silly, but they work and have been proven to have very minimal interference on wild life.

Edit: It seems that the number of petitioning states went beyond thirty.

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To be perfectly honest, both the lobbyists and Republicans are to blame for how the healthcare reform has become.
Interesting little tidbit for ya... the insurance companies donated 30x more to Democratic candidates than Republican candidates this past election. So that argument has no validity what-so-ever. Hence why Lewis Black said it so famously, "Our political party system is a bowl of sh!t sitting in the mirror staring at itself. One is a party of no ideas, and the other a party of bad ideas."

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Talking from experience, yes, pensions are abused by some people as anything is, but it's such a small minority that is way blown out of proportion by the anti-taxes douchebags it's not even funny. And, no matter the poor excuses, denying to pay taxes that help people, may they need them or not, is simply anti-democratic, bordering the fascist. The majority of people on welfare need it and shouldn't be screwed over by a thieving minority. And let's not forget people already pay taxes for firemen, police, water supply, road & sewers maintenance and many others services, and there are also moochers in those sectors, but I bet they won't stop paying those taxes unless they want their house burned into a crisp or something similar.
Minimizing and eliminating taxes are two different things. I want taxes minimized. And as far as your statement about people abusing the system being a minority, is laughable. The number of people on welfare doubled under Bill Clinton. This was the man who is famous for bringing jobs to the U.S. (which isn't the complete truth by the way).

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And like you alluded to, they might need it in the future, wouldn't they want a safety net they already contributed to in the past instead of leaving under the bridge?
You would think so, but there are many who are searching for other means already. I've heard of several small business owners starting their own insurance firms (which is how many were started out in the first place, friends insuring friends).

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I think anyone with a brain is for balance, but where people diverge in opinion is in how that balance should be met. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be a right-wing moderate, both in social and financial issues, while I'm on the same moderate spot, but on the left-wing. You give the example of off-shore drilling, although I'm for the US to get some autonomy on its fuel needs, I'm much more for the US starting a serious investment on renewable sources of energy. Portugal made audacious bets on hydraulic, solar and wind energies (and our reliance on fossil fuels is pretty much for home supply of gas, cars and akin vehicles and we have 0% of nuclear energy) and for the last 5 years we're actually able to export energy. Sure, the pinwheels on top of almost every mountain range look silly, but they work and have been proven to have very minimal interference on wild life.

Edit: It seems that the number of petitioning states went beyond thirty.
I wouldn't even say I'm a moderate. I have conservative tendencies, but I understand the need for balance. As of two years ago, there was a big push by several Republicans to explore nuclear energy. It's the cleanest form of energy that is efficient (wind isn't) and cheapest. The big oil companies (both foreign and domestic) fought it off alongside several Democrats citing environmental concerns. All I know is that I wouldn't mind having a utility bill being under $50.00, with the a/c or heat running all month long, non-stop.

What it boils down to is that both parties are at fault. Politicians on both sides aren't "fighting" for the constituents, but for their pockets. That's why I've been under the notion that not a single incumbent should be re-elected unless he/she fulfilled all of their campaign promises. That's why I don't think people should vote for a candidate, but for a stance. In the U.S., there is always going to be "yellow dog" Democrats and "die hard" Republicans.

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Interesting little tidbit for ya... the insurance companies donated 30x more to Democratic candidates than Republican candidates this past election. So that argument has no validity what-so-ever. Hence why Lewis Black said it so famously, "Our political party system is a bowl of sh!t sitting in the mirror staring at itself. One is a party of no ideas, and the other a party of bad ideas."
My point has no validity? You came with "Obama's version of healthcare" when the end result wasn't even what Obama at least promised: an healthcare plan similar to those of North Europe. So what if Democrats received more bribes than Republicans? I'm not saying they're not to blame because they crumbled before the lobbyists, but at least they had a plan for healthcare, all I heard from the Republicans was a whinefest and no solution with head, torso and limbs. So blaming the diatribes of the current healthcare plan on the Democrats is horribly misguided.

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Minimizing and eliminating taxes are two different things. I want taxes minimized.
How much do you pay in each individual tax? Just asking because I need to know whether your complaint to lower taxes has validity.

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And as far as your statement about people abusing the system being a minority, is laughable.
My first thought on this was "fuck this guy". I'm serious. Sure, I don't live in the US, but overall behavior in the US can't be the Bizarro's World version of where I live considering we both live in 1st world regions that belong to bigger political unions. Here, sure there are moochers that suck on unemployment pensions as much as they can without looking for a job, but it's a minority that I doubt it even breaks the 5% of all those who live of welfare. I see people crowding both the Social Security and Employment Institute centers looking for a job or a pension to put food on their tables. Granted both poverty and unemployment are higher here, but c'mon, to say the moochers outnumber the needy considering a poverty rate of 15% is delusional.

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The number of people on welfare doubled under Bill Clinton. This was the man who is famous for bringing jobs to the U.S. (which isn't the complete truth by the way).
And just now you flunked on your research. Bill Clinton revised welfare in 1996 and you know what are the percentages of welfare before and after the revision? The recipiency rate lowered from a mean of 17% to a mean of 15% and a dependency rate went from 5.5% to 3.7%. Gee, if I didn't know better, I'd say the opposite happened! And, by what I read of the Act Bill Clinton signed, it was meant to exclude people from being candidates for welfare, like certain single mothers, so saying it doubled due to the Act seems a paradox.

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You would think so, but there are many who are searching for other means already. I've heard of several small business owners starting their own insurance firms (which is how many were started out in the first place, friends insuring friends).
Yes, because relying on insurance firms that charge you for quite a bit is sooo much better than having a federal safety net that depends on taxes that are already paid. Are those people really that allergic to empathy?

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I wouldn't even say I'm a moderate. I have conservative tendencies, but I understand the need for balance.
Well, I said moderate because you're not as nutty as what I'd say an American conservative is. But if you consider yourself conservative, sure, you certainly are in an European context.

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As of two years ago, there was a big push by several Republicans to explore nuclear energy. It's the cleanest form of energy that is efficient (wind isn't) and cheapest.
Stop right there. Whoever told you that wind energy isn't efficient was lying with all the teeth they had in their mouths. Sure the initial cost vs profit rate is negative during many months and the production does fluctuate, but it's very efficient and here's the kicker: in days of high winds, wind power can produce 2/3 of the total energy of a country as both Portugal and Spain have verified. That's 4 times what wind energy represents in those countries.

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The big oil companies (both foreign and domestic) fought it off alongside several Democrats citing environmental concerns. All I know is that I wouldn't mind having a utility bill being under $50.00, with the a/c or heat running all month long, non-stop.
Oh the irony, 15% of my electricity bill comes from wind power and I never paid more than 40 Euros for it.

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What it boils down to is that both parties are at fault. Politicians on both sides aren't "fighting" for the constituents, but for their pockets. That's why I've been under the notion that not a single incumbent should be re-elected unless he/she fulfilled all of their campaign promises. That's why I don't think people should vote for a candidate, but for a stance. In the U.S., there is always going to be "yellow dog" Democrats and "die hard" Republicans.
Read the "longest thread ever" on the spam zone. Many people, including me, already discussed ways to shift the paradigm of USA's bipartisan bickering.
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As far as the healthcare issue goes, there has been the Ryan Plan, the Paul plan, and other various plans that have been shot down by liberals and the MSM. There are other plans, some that I prefer to others. I would seriously take tidbits from all and use them as one plan, but that requires too much common sense from our politicians.

On the energy issue, wind can be a viable source for smaller countries, but for a countries that are large, the cost isn't proficient to the possible dividends, especially considering what is considered "prime real estate" for the farms. At one point the largest wind farm (in the U.S.) was going to be constructed about 50 miles NNE of Joplin, MO, the "heart" of Tornado Alley. The last proposed plan for continental nuclear energy for the U.S. required roughly seven nuclear power plants on the national scale. One at each major regional station and three in between those. When also considering the numerous natural rivers in the U.S. that could be used as natural cooling stations for the plants, it makes too much sense. It would also alleviate some of the possible flooding for those river banks.

On the taxes issue, it all depends on which state you live in. U.S. citizens are required to pay an income tax, which is supposed to fund the majority of all federal programs. At the state and local levels; tourism, sales, and property taxes are supposed to be used to fund the programs at those levels. What is upsetting, is that here in MD, this past year, state and local politicians took over $350 million out of the education fund. MD is a Democrat heavy state. This info was provided by the State treasurer (also a Dem) at his website (due to question 7, voting for a casino in Baltimore, MD) campaigning against that particular event. I haven't looked at the CAMFR, but not a single politician disputed that claim. If I were to stay a resident in Baltimore Co., there will be an increase on the tourism tax, and based on what these politicians did here, basically stealing from the education fund.... can you blame anyone for not trusting these goofballs. It pisses me off when politicians on both sides scream and cry education, and then steal from it.

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Also, what is the sq. footage of your residence? Right now, my family is living in 2200 sq.ft. (roughly 600 sq. ft is the garage), 3 level town-home.

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As far as the healthcare issue goes, there has been the Ryan Plan, the Paul plan, and other various plans that have been shot down by liberals and the MSM. There are other plans, some that I prefer to others. I would seriously take tidbits from all and use them as one plan, but that requires too much common sense from our politicians.
First, US is the only country that isn't my own that I follow the news religiously and only now I'm hearing of these plans. When Obamacare was a big thing, what I saw was Republicans scream "DEATH PANELS!! SOCIALISM!! THE COUNTRY WILL BE DESTROYED BY IT!" and other nonsensical counterarguments to it. I did not for once saw those Republican plans being properly discussed by the media.

And now that I've read them... dude, they're horrible! Ryan's plan could very well be renamed "Off-with-their-heads plan".

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On the energy issue, wind can be a viable source for smaller countries, but for a countries that are large, the cost isn't proficient to the possible dividends, especially considering what is considered "prime real estate" for the farms. At one point the largest wind farm (in the U.S.) was going to be constructed about 50 miles NNE of Joplin, MO, the "heart" of Tornado Alley.
What. You clearly are misinformed, since China is aiming to have wind energy to represent 12% of total energy 2015 and both Harvard and Tsinghua said that it can reach 100% (yes, 100%) by 2030 so wind power clearly can power a big country, it's just that small countries will obviously notice the effects much earlier.

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The last proposed plan for continental nuclear energy for the U.S. required roughly seven nuclear power plants on the national scale. One at each major regional station and three in between those. When also considering the numerous natural rivers in the U.S. that could be used as natural cooling stations for the plants, it makes too much sense. It would also alleviate some of the possible flooding for those river banks.
So those rivers are completely void of wild life? Because even the warming of the waters can disturb or downright destroy habitats, so using rivers as cooling systems is an horrible practice when a cooling tower could be built and simply use canalized water or a body of water specifically designed for that purpose.

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On the taxes issue, it all depends on which state you live in. U.S. citizens are required to pay an income tax, which is supposed to fund the majority of all federal programs. At the state and local levels; tourism, sales, and property taxes are supposed to be used to fund the programs at those levels.
I asked for what percentages you pay in taxes, not what taxes you paid since every tax you named we also have it here.

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What is upsetting, is that here in MD, this past year, state and local politicians took over $350 million out of the education fund. MD is a Democrat heavy state. This info was provided by the State treasurer (also a Dem) at his website (due to question 7, voting for a casino in Baltimore, MD) campaigning against that particular event. I haven't looked at the CAMFR, but not a single politician disputed that claim. If I were to stay a resident in Baltimore Co., there will be an increase on the tourism tax, and based on what these politicians did here, basically stealing from the education fund.... can you blame anyone for not trusting these goofballs. It pisses me off when politicians on both sides scream and cry education, and then steal from it.
... and corruption affects both wings of politics. Congratulations, you said what everybody knows. You want it to go away? Push for alternative ways to both govern and elect, push for your representatives to do the same Iceland did and let the Interpol hounds search out the shenanigans.

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Also, what is the sq. footage of your residence? Right now, my family is living in 2200 sq.ft. (roughly 600 sq. ft is the garage), 3 level town-home.
Oh the imperial system, making me think it's a damn big house only to realize a square feet is roughly 0.09 square meters. So your house is roughly 204 square meters. Mine isn't that far off, it has 192 square meters divided by two levels.
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