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Old 11-17-2012, 04:35 AM   #31
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Do you think naruto wil seal/defeat madara with natural energy.
As in madara will try seal Kurama yet madara finds the chakra he is sealing is the nature energy.
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I think orochimaru may be the one that finally takes out madara. He will provide naruto with a kunai with the control seal on it. Naruto will manage to get past madara's defenses and implant the kunai in his skull while yamoto who is the sacrifice for madara will disrupt madara mentally. Orochimaru will then use the control kunai to disperse the edo tensei resulting in madara peeling away to reveal yamoto. Naruto will get one last moment with yamoto to say good bye before he dies. At least that was how I had originally planned to end my dead world arc concept.
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yamoto who is the sacrifice for madara
The sacrifice for Madara can't be Yamato. Madara's coffin was first shown in chapter 490. Yamato wasn't captured until chapter 514.
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Maybe so but remember also that you need a sacrifice for each body. Unless kabuto was able to use the same body as a sacrifice again than he might need a new body. Remember also that kabuto said that the Edo that madara was using was different than most others. I think that is because yamoto is the sacrifice body for madara and why madara when he was summoned had the rinnegan because he had yamamotos cells in him.
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Maybe so but remember also that you need a sacrifice for each body. Unless kabuto was able to use the same body as a sacrifice again than he might need a new body.
New sacrifice for what? Just putting the Edo back into its coffin doesn't unsummon the soul. Or are you referring to when Madara obliterated himself and Muu with the double meteors? Edo Tensei can regenerate itself from nothing (Hashirama and Tobirama regenerated their legs after Hiruzen blew them off completely), it was meant to be used when you want to clear a battlefield.

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Remember also that kabuto said that the Edo that madara was using was different than most others.
Yeah, everyone else came back as they appeared when they died (Nagato was still the crypt keeper, Kakuzu was zombie monster, Diedara had his body mouths, etc.). Madara was brought back in his physical prime while maintaining everything he had achieved when he died (namely, Mokuton and Rinnegan).

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When he died, his DNA was a combination of his own and Hashirama's. It was how he was able to awaken the Rinnegan and control the Gedo Mazo. He had the Rinnegan because he had awakened it before he died. The only thing done to Madara's Edo form was bringing it back in its physical prime.
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I have to agree with kal... Madara's human sacrifice is not yamato... Remember that madara has a hashi face on him because he was implanted with hashirama's cells... And that madara said there is a secret to his body that kabuto somehow knew without reading the sage's tablet...

So, it is more likely that kabuto implanted hashirama's cells in madara after he became an edo because his body is compatible with the power of hashirama as a base for the rikudou sage's full power of Uchiha and senju in one body...
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@KYF, Madara already had hashirama's cells before he died. Kabuto didnt need to add it. Kabuto just simply revived Madara in his prime with abilities he had till his death
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@KYF, Madara already had hashirama's cells before he died. Kabuto didnt need to add it. Kabuto just simply revived Madara in his prime with abilities he had till his death
Madara said he only implanted some in his wound he received in the hashi fight... and that little amount finally turned his EMS into the RG as if that small amount charged the EMS for many many year...



However, being brought back to his prime... madara only had the EMS and no hashi cells because it was not his power, but an add on to his body so it was gone with his body... However, by completely infusing madara with hashirama's cells... Madara was able to immediately charge his EMS into a RG to use...

SO it is as if the real madara only using a small amount of cells could only use a small amount of power which took many many years to finally turn the EMS into the RG.... But with all the power of all of being completely infused with hashirama cells... The EMS could become the RG almost immediately...
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Yes i agree but that concept is what gets me .... does kishi mean to say that while doing edo tense, one can actually resurect someone from the time before they died? i mean if it was possible , could kabuto resurect someone for eg : madara himself when he was a kid???
Can someone manupulate time for the Resurrection?

FYI , Nagato said that it felt only yest he saw naruto coz he died right in front of him.
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Yes i agree but that concept is what gets me .... does kishi mean to say that while doing edo tense, one can actually resurect someone from the time before they died? i mean if it was possible , could kabuto resurect someone for eg : madara himself when he was a kid???
Can someone manupulate time for the Resurrection?
The person doing the summon has to manipulate the body in order for it to "appear" younger, like he did with Madara. Not exactly sure why he did that specifically for Madara and not Nagato, who was still a skeleton that had to be carried around until his fight with Bee and Naruto.

For KYF - seriously, there is no "higher concentration of Hashirama DNA" in the Madara Edo. It is the same amount as when he died. The reason he activated the Rinnegan "so fast" was because he knew he had it. He had it before he had to tie himself to the Gedo, which was before he died. Since he knew he had it, he knew how to activate it. Simple deductive logic here. The only thing that Kabuto did was make Madara physically younger, since his "at death" state was even more crypt keeper like than Nagato.
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Naruto 610 : True terror

Scene starts showing the Juubi


Juubi: Grr... Alive again...Foolish mortals do you realize what have you done?

Madara: Juubi... the most powerfull source of chakra on earth (menacing glare with Rinnegan) and soon you will be under my control

Juubi: Oh please,the Rinnegan!Boy, I'm it's creator.Do you think that you can beat me?You even resurrected me on about half of my power I see that the Kyuubi and Hachibi are still sealed on human bodies,but since you resurrected me I will not kill you,for now!Speaking about a body I need one myself


The Juubi spots a body of a dead man.He goes near him and his eye starts glowing


Juubi: Life creation!Revival!


A bright light hits the body and then the man slowly wakes up


Ninja: What the?


But as soon as the ninja stares the Juubi in the eye he gets paralized


Madara: (thinking)The Juubi truly is amazing!To be able to resurrect someone but even without giving your life energy,it's like Rinne Tensei but without risks!But wait,why did he resurrect a dead body?Only if!!!I have to stop him or else my plans will be in vain!


Madara goes Susano'o completed form and tries to attack but the Juubi with only one tail pushes back and slams him to a rock stone


Juubi: I will handle you later.Now....Sealing technique!Chakra sealer!


A giant mass of black chakra form around the Juubi and the ninja.The chakra takes a spere shape and it gets so dense that you can't see anything inside.Soon it disperses showing only one body.It has the face of the ninja,it wears a black uniform with a black cloak that has writen in white the kanji ''GOD''


Juubi: Now,this body is better.To tell you the truth I hate my bijuu form,it's big and you can't fight well because of your size,but now...I can do everything

Madara: (walking toward Juubi)You truly are powerfull,even with half of your power,but I am more powerfull! (makes handsigns)Mokuton!Wood prison!


From the earth giant trees emerge traping the Juubi inside of them


Juubi: Mokuton eh?You are the second person besides Rikudo that can use it,but it's useless at this level!

Juubi: Chakra barrier!


A giant black chakra barrier forms and cuts all of the trees.Scene switches to Naruto,Kakashi,Guy and Killer Bee while Obito is watching from far away the fight


Naruto: Such power!What can we do?

Hachibi: Right now the Juubi is fighting Madara so for the moment we are safe,but we must prepare.Naruto go base mode so that Kurama can recuparate the chakra that he loss

Kurama: Even if I recuperate my chakra still he's more powerfull...Damn,only if i were complete then we would be equal on power...Wait!I have an idea!If we find a way to connect with the Death Gods dimension we could find and get my other half!But that requires a genious on sealing techniques!

Naruto: !!!Kurama I think I got it!

Kurama: Who?

Naruto: The person!When I was on Sage Mode before I got terrified of a presence that I sensed...Orochimaru.It's risky but he can come in hand since he knows a lot of techniques

Kurama: It might work.Well now let's go and find him

Naruto: (enters Sage Mode)I found him!He's heading toward Konoha!!!And with him is Sasuke!!Damn!!We must hurry!

Naruto: Kakashi sensei I must go to Konoha to find some answers and until I come you just watch the fight and if it gets dangerous leave.

Kakashi: I hate to admit but you're right.Go now and be safe...


Naruto leaves with a serious face.Scene changes to Madara vs Juubi


Madara: Impressive,but that was just a simple demostration of my power.Now lets get serious (makes handsigns)Katon!Fire holy dragon!


A dragon made of fire starts heading toward him


Juubi: Child game!Fire nova!


From an instant from hes hand a giant ball of fire emerges.It anhiliates the dragon and clashes with Madaras body but the later by using the Rinnegan manages to adsorb the technique


Juubi: I see that you manage to control a portion of the Rinnegan.But that is nothing with this technique!


Suddently the sky gets dark and the Juubi envelops it's body with huge black chakra while it's eyes are pulsating and the nine tomoes start spining.


Juubi:This is the power of a god!Life extinsion!Armagedon!


A red beam of energy hits the battlefield from the sky and a giant light for about ten miles envelops the battlefield.Scene changes to Sasuke and Orochimaru.they are in Konoha.


Sasuke: (Seeing the light)What is that?

Orochimaru: The Juubi!They were fool enough to resurrect it.Now if we don't do something we will all be killed

???: If you help me we can still win.

All: ???


Scene shows Naruto coming out of a shadowy place


Sasuke: Naruto?What do you want here?

Naruto: Same to you.Orochimaru I want you to help me,you see I want to...

Orochimaru: Get back the other half of the Kyuubi so that you can beat the incompleted Juubi,right?

Naruto: How did you?

Orochimaru: (smiling)Kukuku,you forget who I am.Anyway I'm going to help you since Sasuke will also meet some people that are sealed inside the Death God.

Naruto: Good,now then shall we go?


They start walking and Naruto goes near Sasuke


Naruto: (Whispering to Sasukes ear)How the hell is he still alive?

Sasuke: I resurrected him because I needed answers

Naruto: Damn,what were you thinking,but seeing the situation you made a good move

Sasuke: (Smiling)As always,anyway what was that red light?

Naruto: (serious face)The Juubi.Madara is currently fighting him but I think he isn't going to last much,our only hope is to get the otherhalf of Kurama.What about you,what are you doing here?

Sasuke: I met Itachi and we defeated Kabuto together and now I am going to find my answers and by those answers it will depend my actions.

Naruto: I see,well for now we must collaborate if we want to win.

Orochimaru: We arrived!


Scene shows the Hokage mountain.Orochimaru presses a stone and a hidden pasage opens.Soon they are inside a room and in the middle of it it's a giant scroll.The Hokage Scroll.Orochimaru takes the scroll and opens it,then he finds the Shiki Fuujin seal.


Orochimaru: Hmm,so if we modify the handsign here we will be able to open a portal to the Death God but without having to pay with life.Well then be ready!

Orochmaru: (makes 16 handseals)Fuuinjutsu!Reverse Shiki Fujin seal!


A portal opens and they go inside it.Inside the portal it's a world without life,completely deserted.


Orochimaru: They must be there.Naruto,you can enter Sage Mode right?Use it to sense life in here

Naruto: (enters Sage Mode)I sense 6 chakra sources,4 are of the First,Second,Third,Fourth Hokage,the fifth is the other part of Kurama while the last one it's strange,it has the same type of chakra with you Orochimaru.Follow me let's go to them!


Soon they find themselves in from of all of them.


Hashirama: You (refering to Orochimaru) were the one to resurrect us back there.

Tobirama: Yes,I remember him.

Hiruzen: Orochimaru,and Naruto with Sasuke look how you've grown

Minato: Naruto...I'm glad to see you again

Naruto: (tears roll from his eye)Dad...

The other half of the Kyuubi: You're my new jinchuriki?And from what I sense my other half has became friends with you

Naruto: Soon you will be back with your other half.


Naruto enters RS mode v2.All of the kages look on astonishmet


Minato: Naruto...you did it!You managed to control the Kyuubi!

Sasuke: What power!

Naruto: Now,to deal with you...


He appears right in front of the other half of Kurama and places his hand on his forehead.


Naruto: NOW!!!


He starts pulling the other half of Kurama inside his body until nothing is left.From inside Naruto we see that Kurama has grown in size.From the outside we see that Naruto's v2 form has more seal marks.


Naruto: Wow!So this is your true power!Amazing!

Sasuke: Now,I want you to answer my questions.He puts the Kages on a revelation genjutsu by showing them all that has happened.

Hiruzen: So you know the truth....Believe me I didn't want it to happen...

Hashirama: Then,I will tell you the truth that you want to hear boy...


Scene switches to Kamuis dimension.Kakashi is shown there with Killer Bee and Guy


Kakashi: ...paint,paint...I'm sorry that I brought you here but it was the only way to escape death.

Hachibi: You did well Kakashi,if it werent for you we would be dead now

Guy: What was that light?

Hachibi: It was the Armagedon,a technique that the Juubi used in the past to destroy the world,only Rikudo was able to withstand it,anyway let me heal you first


He puts one tentacle to Kakashi and the other to Guy giving them chakra.Soon they are full on chakra.


Hachibi: Kurama isn't the only one able to do that

Guy: Thank you now my youth is full again

Hachibi: Why did I help this weirdo...

Kakashi: Now everybody touch me so that I can transfer you back


He uses Kamui to transfer them again to the real world.When they arrive there the image they find is shocking.The earth from a radious of ten miles was deserted from the technique


Kakashi: What power and to think that he's just on half of his power...But where are they?


A blast is shown about one mile ahead.It shows Madara on perfect Susano'o clashing with Juubi that has transformed into a bijuu form with chakra like Naruto's.


Kakashi: We better get out of here...

Obito: I don't think so Kakashi,not without fighting me.

Kakashi: Well,I gues that we must finish what we started Obito...
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Scene changes to Naruto & co.

Hashirama: This was the story of we Senju and Uchiha.I considered them as brothers but it was Madara's fault that the hate toward each other began.Now what is your answer boy?

Sasuke: Madara was the reason of all this,it was his fault not Konohas.He will die by my hand.Naruto, let's go now we have work to do.

Naruto: Everybody I'm sorry but I must go...

Minato: Naruto...you made me proud my son.Now go and defear the Juubi

Everybody in unison: Go and show them the Will of Fire!

Naruto/Sasuke: Yes!!!


They go out of the portal but soon after them Orochimaru goes out smiling.He makes a handsign and the portal closes.


Orochimaru: Soon after the war will finish I will make my move kukukuku.


The last scene shows his hands now complete.He got them without noticing from the others.



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For KYF - seriously, there is no "higher concentration of Hashirama DNA" in the Madara Edo. It is the same amount as when he died. The reason he activated the Rinnegan "so fast" was because he knew he had it. He had it before he had to tie himself to the Gedo, which was before he died. Since he knew he had it, he knew how to activate it. Simple deductive logic here. The only thing that Kabuto did was make Madara physically younger, since his "at death" state was even more crypt keeper like than Nagato.
Seriously... The manga stated that madara only implanted some cells in him and only in his wound... Thus madara has a small amount of cell that were only enough to fill his wound he got from hashirama... Such a small amount that at first madara said NOTHING happened... but when his life span was almost over... The RG was awaken.... It is as if the small amount of cells that would give only a small amount of senju hashirama's power had to charge for years and years until enough power was charged with the senju power to awaken the RG from the EMS...

Says it right here...


See^^^ Madara only implanted hashi cells in his wound which would only be a small amount because of the size of the wound, thus produce only about 1/30 or less of hashirama's full power one gets when being completely infused with his cells all over the body... The low amount of cells implanted is the reason why it took so many years for the EMS to become the RG... It is the same concept as shisui's MS....

However, Edo madara was infused with so much cells of hashirama that the face was on his chest... and even kabuto said that danzou who was only infused with hashi cells in his arm and shoulder, was merely a prototype and madara was the finished product...
He said madara was the combination of hashirama and madara in one being, thus edo madara would have to be completely infused with hashirama's cell to be at the level he is at... The fact he was able to awaken the RG immediately says enough...

SHown here by the manga...


Think about it... Madara had to alter his body by infusing hashirama's cells in order to gain the power to boost his EMS to RG level... So, When he was brought back, he would not have any hashirama powers because he lost that in his body that died... SO he would have been brought back old and without the RG.... However, If kabuto could completely infuse madara with hashirama cells then the vitality of his power could be what brought him back to his youthful state of his prime... and powered his EMS to RG immediately... Although the vitality thing is not what happened to make him youthful again IMO...

Coming back from the dead as an edo with powers that were gained by altering ones own body that is lone gone is basically impossible... Not to mention madara died without having the RG so he would not of come back with it either... He died with a small amount of hashirama cells implanted in him that only produced a small amount of senju power... So even if kishi made a huge plot hole and he did somehow come back with hashirama's cells he had implanted before when he was alive.... He would have needed many more years to recharge his EMS he came back with into the RG as it was done before... Because he gave away his RG to nagato and would of merely returned with the EMS...

SO there is no way madara came back as an edo with hashirama power becuase that came from infusing his cells into his body that is lone gone... SO clearly kabuto had to infuse madara with hashirama cells after he was revived to make him what he is now... and because of the secret of his body, he is compatible with hashirama's cells as a base for the union of the uchiha and senju power to bring about the rebirth of the sage's power...



EDIT:
ANd IMHO, madara had to of come back in his prime because kabuto got DNA from back then, as opposed to his old ass corpse that was in his hideout... By gaining DNA of him from his Prime... And the DNA being a blue print for madara's recreation... He would of been brought back in his prime... Thus madara would have his EMS and no hashirama plot cells... having to be infused with them as an edo to become what he is now...
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