jeanericuser

Question is though when you desummon a body from usage does it mean that same sacrifice is reuseable or was a new one needed.

No he wasn't he was given an advanced body beyond his prime and the way to do that would mean a special sacrifice. Don't believe me check this out.
http://www.mangahit.com/naruto/560/3
Another thing that also has to be considered is when exactly did kabuto consider madara as at his prime state and when were those cells gathered? Was it near the end of his life when he had time for the cells of hashirama in him to mature or was it during the battle of the valley of the end. Then there is also the possibility that these cells may have even been gathered much earlier during the ninja war prior his battle with hashirama. At this point we do not know when that exact prime is considered. What we do know is he has been brought back at full strength with a younger body, his mind prior to his death, and a special version of the edo that seems to be more advanced than the standard edo. Hell it took extra chakra just to summon him.

Again its still theory at this point but it begs the question of what exactly has happened to yamoto since he was in akatsuki hands. My guess is that he has been used as an edo sacrifice.

Konnaha_yellow_flash

Although it is possible that kabuto could have stolen yamato and used his body for the sacrifice... I am not sure if the sacrificial body has any effect on the edo that comes from it... as in, why can't any other edo use abilities of the sacrificed shinobi they are made of???
IMO, even being a sacrifice for madara, yamato would not have had his abilities of hashirama's inherited by madara, thus there would be no logical reason to use yamato for a sacrifice when he can be used to strengthen the zetsu...

SO madara would have likely been infused with hashirama's cells after he became and edo to use hashirama's power and reunite the sage's halves to recreate his power of the RG....
That is my take on the topic...

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kael03

Appears you didn't read what I said. "Desummoning", I'm guessing that means putting them back in the coffin and taking them from the battlefield, doesn't unbind the soul from the sacrifice. All it does is put the Edo in storage for later use. No new sacrifice is needed to bring them kit again once the ritual is finished.

I'm well aware of what Kabuto said. His "beyond your prime" meant that he restored Madara to his physical youth while maintaining his abilities gained after his fight with Hashirama. The Rinnegan and Mokuton abilities.

Kabuto gathered the DNA from Madara's corpse. The fact that he found all of these unknowns shows he was capable of locating Madara. So the DNA had elements of Hashirama's DNA.

The chakra needed for a summon is proportional to the strength of the summon. Madara is extremely powerful so of course more chakra is needed for him. Not to mention Muu was at half chakra levels before summoning because of his splitting. Doesn't mean the sacrifice is yamato.

Yamato was placed in the Zetsu factory hashirama tree thingy to make the Zetsu army more powerful. He's still there last we saw. Remember he was captured AFTER Kabuto summoned Madara as blackmail for Obito.

MrAdam

Does Obito still needs Sasuke? Sasuke was a catalyst but now? Madara is "alive", Jyuubi is fine.

DRAGONBPY

@KYF, Kabuto never said he added any more cells to Madara. He just said he revived Madara in his prime. And according to basic knowledge, cells multiply. Hence Madara was just revived in his prime with all his powers intact

Konnaha_yellow_flash

But cells from hashirama would not multiply because madara's body only produces his own cells... Only ones own cells multiply, not foreign cells implanted merely in a wound... That is a fallacy....
and madara was not revived with all his powers intact... only with his EMS intact... The hashirama powers to use mokuton, power his EMS into the RG immediately... ect... Was gained by what kabuto did to him...

WHy would madara say himself when he absorbed naruto's FRS, "that is a bit TOO MUCH" which is why he hasked kabuto "what did you do to my body"... Knowing he was not right and should not off been so strong with hashirama's power...

and kabuto replied that he COMPLETED madara beyond what he was in his prime...
and we know to be complete, is to have both halves of the sage together which could only be madara's power plus hashirama's power...

And since madara was unable to use mokuton or increase his vitality and thus life span with the small amount of hashirama cells he implanted in his wound.... The same small amount of power that took almost madara's entire life to charge the EMS into the RG... along with everything madara and kabuto said about his body...
Kabuto had to of completely infused madara's body with hashirama's cells in order to make him what he is now... Far more powerful then he was in his prime, with far more cells implanted then before...

Look at the evidence together instead of chapters apart so you will have a much better grasp of what the author is trying to imply...

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DRAGONBPY

^Dude when you get a foreign limb or organ implanted and it gets damaged, cells still multiply you idiot and a big enough wound should allow Hashirama's cells to mutiply to more areas of Madara's body. Kabuto never said he implanted Hashirama cell's in Madara. If you have seen the chapter where Kabuto 1st meets fagito he still summons Madara and he didn't have access to Yamato. Kabuto just revived Madara in his prime with all his abilities he had in his life and where does it show Madara didn't have RG when he was revived. Dude your arguments always contradict the manga

kael03

Careful, Dragon. You're doing that thing that involves logic, evidence, and avoiding bending facts/reinterpreting manga panels. You know how much KYF hates that.

Konnaha_yellow_flash

Madara did not implant an arm or limb, you idiot, merely cells in a wound, nothing more...

And the fact that madara had to wait almost his whole life for the small amount of cells to power his EMS to the RG clearly means they never increased otherwise the EMS wouldn't of taken so long... As oppsed to edo madara with a ful body of hashirama cells that immediately powered his EMS to RG level...

In the red:
Yes kabuto did... Madara himself asked kabuto what he did to his body for a reason... Why would madara ask such a thing if he already had so many hashirama cells and such power before he died or in his prime... Madara would not of asked kabuto what he did to his body if nothing was done to it by kabuto... and kabuto saying He "completed madara" is him saying he fused madara with hashirama's cells far greater then even what danzou had, he was merely a prototype...

Kabuto said he completed madara beyond what he was in his prime.. and kabuto admitted that "Completing" madara was fusing him with hashirama...

How did these panel not explain this to you??? And Kal, you too.... You can make all the random claims about logic and facts yet I am the only one using them while you are just randomly insulting like the child you are...

You insults<<<<Manga panles...

Here ya go, read it... do not nit pick, read it... It proves what I am claiming...

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DRAGONBPY

Still not a compelling argument. Cells or limbs cells will still multiply in the area where it was implanted and must have taken time to multiply for it to unlock rinnegan. And that panel doesn't say Kabuto added more cells you retard. Madara is surprised he has access to rinnegan and wood style with his current body as he had received those powers sometime after his prime. You clearly are a fool

Konnaha_yellow_flash

Sorry for the pics, I am limited to only 5 so I could only use one spoiler tag to fit them all....

How can foreign cells multiply as if they are being reproduced by madara's own body... Granted cells can multiply on their, but are limited and would not increase in number spreading all over the body unless they took madara over which is not what happened because madara explained what happened...

And no, it took time for the small amount of cells to produce enough senju power to turn the EMS into the RG, as madara said... Never said they multiplied, merely he implanted a small amount in only his wound and nothing happened at first... but, when his life span was almost over... he awakened the RG from them... The long time span for turning the EMS into the RG is due to the use of such a small amount of cells which would produce a smaller amount of hashirama senju power... Thus one either need more time with less cells or less time with more cells to turn the EMS into the RG and kabuto did the latter... more cells with allot less time...

How does madara's own curiosity about what kabuto did to his body after he suddenly awakened the RG which made his say "that is a bit TOO MUCH"... mean nothing to you???
Along with the fac kabuto said he COMPLETED madara beyond what he was in his prime, thus by completing him, he meant he reunited the power of the sage which could only, ONLY be done by implanting hashirama cells all through out madara's body to the point madara is a perfect hybrid of both shinobi...
How does none of this mean anything to you??

You cannot call someone an idiot or retard when you yourself are so lacking....

Somehow you think that madara was revived in his prime with hashirama cells from later in life intact and tons more of them, except being revived in his prime could only be done by using blood from madara when he was in his prime, thus had no hashirama cells... because eod tensai uses the blood of the one being revived as a blue print of how they will tunr out in the revival...

meaning the only way kabuto could of made a union of hashirama and madara after he was brought back in his prime wihtout any hashirama cells in him... was to completely implant madara's body with hashirama's cells which caused madara's power to be greater then it ever was which awakened the RG immediately and allowed for the use of mokuton... Thus why madara thought he had "a bit too much power" when he awakened the RG and asked kabuto what he did to his body...

Here is all the evidence... because of there being a six pic limit, I will not be able to use spoiler tags on everything because that requires two pic per...

First and foremost... Edo madara would not have come back in his prime with ANY hashirama cells... that was in his body that is long dead... and even if he did, the cells were only in his wound and nowhere else as madara claimed himself...
ANd with cells ONLY in his wound, madara would have needed a long,long time to awaken the RG with such a small amount of cells producing such a small amount of Senju power... However, madara awakened the RG and can use mokuton with any part of his body, thus could only do this if he was completely infused from head to toe with hashirama's cells... Which the manga showed he actually is.. Now read... the manga explains everything....

: Kabuto said the blood of the one being revived is a blue print, DNA, and determines in what shape the shinobi will be revived in... And if madara is in his prime then it can only mean kbauto got blood from when he was in his prime...

:So if madara was revived in his prime, then he would not of had hashirama cells in him... So, when madara awakened the RG absorbing the FRS he had reason to think "that is a bit too much power"...
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: Knowing he shouldn't be so powerful, madara confronted kabuto asking "what did you do to my body"... To which kabuto said "I completed you beyond what you were in your prime" which made madara realize that kabuto must know the secrets of his body, thus he said "you bastard, you know the secret of my body even without reading the RS's tablet"... SO obviously WE HAVE ESTABLISHED WITHOUT A DOUBT THAT KABUTO DID DO SOMETHING TO MADARA'S BODY BY THEIR CONVO...
manga says so...


: However, come to find out, kabuto implanted hashirama's cells into madara's body (WHAt HE DID TO MADARA'S BODY HE WAS REFERRING TO) which madara found out by looking at his chest that showed the face of hashirama which shows up on those who have been implanted with hashirama's cells... But madara's was on a whole other level from what danzou prototyped...

and madara also knew he had been implanted with hashirama cells because kabutos own words" You were COMPLETED" was a reference to the uniting of the sage's powers that had been split into two, half with the uchiha and half with the senju... In order for madara to become complete...
He would have to be completely infused with senju DNA to the point he was half senju and half uchiha...
thus, just as kabuto said, he completed madara by reuniting the sage's powers by implanting hashirama's cells throughout his body making him a perfect hybrid of senju and uchiha... So, kabuto's reference to "completing", is a reference to uniting the sages powers which can only be done by combining hashirama senju with madara, which can only be done by completely infusing hashirama's cells throughout edo madara's body...



There you have it... definitive evidence that madara was implanted with hashirama's cells after he was revived in his prime form...

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Those Boundaries are what they tend to accept as "Reality".....
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then an illusion....

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jericho Uzimaki

dear God..


I agree with KYF on this.


it does appear that Madara didn't expect to be so powerful, I mean he looked down his shirt and was like, "oh, ooookaaaay that's why."

Also to be brought back in his prime would be without RG. Granted he awoken it before he died, being so old he probably didn't use it much.

look at him since he has been back. Like a kid with a new toy, he could have killed the Kages from jump, but oh no he had to see what he could do.

Just like NOW he has the Juubi, he has to see what it can do, which will be his downfall.

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Konnaha_yellow_flash

sorry for the double, ran out of room

More proof is the fact that madara can use mokuton at all, much less with any part of his body....

Madara said he ONLY implanted hashirama's cells in his wound (likely the one he received at the hands of hashirama)... He said at first nothing happened, but when his life span was almost over, his EMS became the RG....
Nothing about hashirama's cells spreading throughout his body taking over... Only that he had a small amount of cells, merely in his wound...


Thus, the smaller amount of cells, the smaller amount of senju power will be produced... WHich is why it took so long for madara to awaken the RG... but was able to awaken it immediately once he was edo'ed, infused throughout his body with hashirama cells....

1). The real madara implants cells only in his wound, meaning he could only use a limited amount of cells due to the small space of implant, thus only a small amount of power could be produced by such a limited amount of cells...

2). Edo'ed Madara was completely infused from head to to with hashirama cells by Kabuto, meaning with a body completely infused with cells, the power output wiill be close to 50 times greater then what he had when he was alive due to him implnating that much times more cells in his body, to produce that much times more power...... thus he was able to awaken the RG almost immediately as opposed to waiting over half a lifetime... as well as use mokuton with any part of his body as opposed to not being able to use mokuton at all with any part of his body when he was alive...

: Here we can see danzou is only able to use mokuton with his right arm because it was the only part f his body infused with hashirama's cells...
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: And here we can see Ed'ed Madara able to use Mokuton with ANY part of his body from his hands, to his feet as well...



SO madara when he was alive not being able to use ANY mokuton after only implanting hashirama cells into a chest wound, but after being revive din his prime, then completely infused with hashirama cells... Madara was able to use mokuton...
This means when madara was alive the small maount of cells was not enough to allow for th euse of Mokuton which is hashirama's signature power....
However, after ebing revived, he was able to use Nokuton which could only mean madara was infused after he was edo'ed with hashirama's cells which is why he can even use Mokuton unlike before...

SO yet again, it is proven that Madara was Edo'ed... then implanted with hashirama's cells to make him what he is now... Madara was not revived having hashirama's cells completely infused in him already... That is impossible unless madara was completely infused when he was in his prime as well...

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People live relying on they're Knowledge and Perception, and thus are bound to them.....
Those Boundaries are what they tend to accept as "Reality".....
However..... Knowledge and Perception are both ambiguous....
so "Reality" could be nothing more....
then an illusion....

ITACHI UCHIHA