luffyus

@Vishnu the thing that bothers me is the fact that u continue to call it fanfiction, it is not anymore a fanfiction : CHECK this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_fiction and you'll see that i'm right and if u and the other guy who like to add his false critics to every prediction/fanfiction still gonna say that i'm wrong then you are hopeless.


Anyway , u should check before insulting a person. you're good at writing but if you would make use of the technical elements of this genre you would get your writings epic.

Vishnu

And i said that you are right. It's not a fanfic. So what? Call it how you want, please. Short story, novel, essay. I don't mind. That's not the issue. And i would be hopeless because of...? I called you an idiot, because you keep coming back with the same thing: it's not a fanfic. In my opinion, that it's an useless comment. You have nothing to say about the story? Share with me your critics towards the story not about the title that it has received. I told you: if you have any valid criticism please, post it. I would enjoy seeing stuff like:" I think that you did wrong there, BECAUSE.........( fill in the dots ). " But if you come here and say what the fuck i don't like that you're using historical character, of course that i will insult you because all that i can see it's either a troll, or an idiot. Admit that you were wrong too. Anyway, let's put it all behind. Thank you for reading my work and i expect criticism from you. It would help me a lot.

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Then recollect your thoughts to avoid losing your temper. You could still snap him a good one, but state why he's wrong in the first place.

Ugh. /facepalm

I don't call you an yes-man for nothing. Trust me, I spent an whole year with what I'd realize later was a yes-man, so I know the kind very well. I know you give commentaries and pose questions, but you seem incapable of constructive criticism. I may have overlooked a comment or two, but I've never seen you say "I think X was done wrong/could be done better if Y was done" or something similar and your questions are legitimate doubts. In other words, your posts could be reduced to "I like it", "why/how?" and "moar".

I'm not saying you have to stop giving positive feedback, but you need to balance it out. Don't be afraid of denoting flaws or deficits in the writing, nobody's perfect and is by knowing where those flaws/deficits are that the writer will overcome them. That's why I butted in on this nonsensical fling of argument, because neither of you were either making sense or helping anyone in the least.

You might to cover your eyes for what I'm about to say if you think saying things like what they are is "flagrantness": you wasted a good opportunity to stay quiet.

• First of all, I put 2 chapters of my stories, so that comment on "you've put nothing" was misguided at best.
• Second of all, maybe if you thought about what is required to write a chapter, you'd think that maybe I don't have the time or that I'm in a writer's block or any other reason instead of rubbing it in with salt like a complete jackass.
• Third and lastly, you seem to have a really short memory because you'd know how futile your whole exercise was considering you didn't even bothered to comment the second chapter where the things you were uncertain off in your comment of the first were addressed. I mean, how are you asking for a chapter (in a douchy way, but nonetheless) if you didn't even bother to tell me how the previous was? All you did was a "MOAR" comment on Vishnu when he commented he'd post the next chapter after I posted my chapters.

Sorry, but I'm not Vishnu, so don't expect me to write at his pace or take comments as he does. What I want is feedback for my writings and what I want from it isn't compliments, is criticism. And by experience I say it to every writer here that yes-men are the worst thing to go by, so if you really want to help Vishnu or anyone else, Kiddjutsu, think, for every thing you like, of something else you dislike or should be improved. I don't think you know how awesome of a reader you'd become by doing that.



@luffyus: stop, just stop. If you want to criticize, actually say something that isn't outright debunked by reading the simplest of lines.

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You sound like that Aman Shahur guy, only you can spell (which is a plus by the way).

Vishnu

Guys, it's all water under the bridge now. Luffyus made a mistake, I made one, it doesn't matter anymore. Let it slip.

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KiddJutsu

My last on this would be this, because I don't write anything myself I tend to only worry about the stuff that appeals to me. So if I comment on a story Num/Vishnu/J_H/Jericho/N360 with a question or give props about the story it's because I dig what's been written. Telling people who do write what
isn't right or is stupid from somebody who doesn't write seems like the crappiest sh*t to do. And since I'd go ballistic if it were done to me then I just won't read a bad story or question certain things in those I do like. There are a boatload of predictions that I say jack about because they suck but since I don't write I let them be and allow those who do to trash them. The fanfic folks I read understand how I approach what they post. My questions surround what I like, what I don't understand, and if they considered a different slant to their approach. And I agree that Vishnu is different then most. He always asks me to tell him what I think, and I do. We see things unfolding in a similar manner so I ask about his ideas, recommend things, and give props. So if you suck you don't hear from me. And you wanna know how shitty it was I may have to be asked personally for me to tell you since it takes effort even on shitty stuff to get it written out to post and I try at least to acknowledge the crap effort but not posting negatively. Now others who write have at it.

Now, as for the story you wrote, I recall telling you directly that I liked how the story was framed but needed more posted to understand what da hell was goin on since it was so original and did t derive from a previous manga like Naruto or a spinoff from another fanfic like Vishnu did his. Now, on to better things.

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Ok, so the final comment on the matter. Num, you're wrong. Kiddjutsu is not a yes-man. Frequently he gave me ideas to improve both on the plot/characters and the writing style. Also, he helped me a lot by asking several good questions between chapters, that helped me reconsider the plot and learn to be more organized so i would avoid any major plotholes or mistakes. I appreciate his opinion, because everytime i read another POV on the plot, it gaves me ideas for the next chapters. Many times before, i didn't knew what to write in the upcoming chapter, and i was lucky to have Kiddjutsu and others like him because by simply asking me questions about it, helped me a lot because it made me realise the opportunites that i have created in the story and i have might missed. I don't want his opinion because i'm starving for compliments, but because he often inspires me to devise new designs for my story.

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Since I had today the time to read Vishnu's fiction thoughrouly, I'll comment on points by chapter (feel free to answer by point if you deem it relevant). Unfortunately, I only could read half of it, the other half I must leave to tomorrow since I have another wide interval to do so.

Chapter I:

1. What's the etymology for "Arinasa" and "Asclose"? I'm kind of an etymological freak, so not knowing where those names come from distracts me a little.
2. When I was reading the amphitheater scene, I was thinking to myself "why don't the hundred-and-so other students flee through the backdoor?", but then I realized that not all amphitheaters in Europe have two doors like we have here. That said, I understand why they didn't flee, since they were trapped, but you should make sure that the door the robed guys walked in was the only door to explain why the students weren't behaving as they'd normally would (in this case, to flee from the amphitheater).
3. A suggestion: could you put the names of the character's lines in bold? Makes it easier on the readers' eyes to separate dialog from action.
4. I liked the two meta twists you did with Vishnu. The first being naming him Claude, which means "lame", and the second being Vishnu killing Jaganath, considered an avatar of Vishnu.

A thrilling introduction, to say the least.

Chapter II:

1. Sorry if this was already discussed, but what's the deal with the asterisks without footnotes? Am I missing something?
2. I think you dropped the ball in the amphitheater scene since you seem to have forgotten about the hundred-and-so students. You have all the killings, talk about Gods and magic being tossed and not a single reaction coming out of them? You could've simply made them exit the room as soon as Asclose and co. left the scene.
3. The line "And you're part of it, love" threw me off a bit. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but normally I'd pose them as lovers before throwing the "love" adjective. I thought they were friends until that point.
4. Another question on etymology about Sciffer. The closest I find is Old English Skiffer ("fisherman") but I'm not seeing how that equates to lightning.
5. The tension progression between Claude killing Arthur and the Sesto scene could be better handled, but the hilarious payoff pretty much covers it. Bitchin'!
6. Just a comparison between our writing styles: I too wrote a drive scene in Paris (Waters of Ocean Darkest, Chapter II), but mine was 20 km long and I spent almost a 1000 words on that scene alone, describing pretty much everything of note in that drive. You make a 1240 km drive and spend fewer than 300 words on it. By Cthulhu, if it was me, I'd probably spend an whole chapter on the Vienna-Paris drive alone.

A decent transitional chapter, considering your style. As I said, I'd do it differently, since I'm more about detail and progression rather than driving the plot home, but hey, that's me.

Chapter III:

1. Darn my rich knowledge, when I read "Sigmund" and "Grigori" I thought of the Völsung saga's Sigmund and the Grigori angels. You could see my disappointment when it was Freud and Rasputin (specially the latter one, poor guy didn't deserve the bad reputation he got).
2. Etymology question again, now for Aerhis, Duodenae and Ëaren. Although I know what they mean in standard etymology ("Aerial", "of 12 parts" and "Wanderer"), they don't exactly match their properties.
3. Arinasa's reaction dangerously tips into the nonchalant field. More skepticism would do wonders in her dialog.
4. You should have written more tension between Claude and co. and Freud & Rasputin. One thing is to have antagonism between people who have to put up with each other, but this isn't seemingly the case, since it was implied they don't interact that often.
5. Why does Radium hurt gods and not any other element?
6. ZOMG, the reference pool is through the roof! Making shout outs for FMA and Hunchback of Notre Dame, are we?!
7. Another meta twist here. Yama is supposed to be subordinate to Vishnu in Hinduism, nice.
8. You wasted a good reference with Fulgur if you named it Vajra instead.

Unlike what Kiddjutsu said at the time, this chapter does not need more action at all. The action and plot advancement are on the spot (and reminds me of Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter) and very enjoyable, but dialog and scenery description need work.

Chapter IV:

1. Nitpicking here, Sciffer's releases should be Tertius, Secundus and Primus/Tertia, Secunda and Prima or Tertium, Secundum and Primum, or else you have a Latin word salad there.
2. Etymology nagging again, now for Deiphyna. I get the "dei" particle, but not the "phyna" part.
3. Another Latin nitpick, it should be "De sacrificium me vestrum" if you intent was for "Of sacrifice I cover myself".
4. Vishnu, why u no consistent with Latin? It’s either Magna Adtonita or Magnus Adtonitus!
5. As much as the nomenclature is non-conventional, naming a slave Egyptian from 5200 years ago “Robert” is really pushing the Suspension of Disbelief a tad too much.

A good transitive chapter with a good flashback to give it a pinch of action. And work your Latin if you want to use it!

Chapter V:

1. Dorian Gray seems oddly placed here, although you do have a mythical bunch of characters.
2. Nooooo, Tesla! Don’t be a villain! I thought you were cool!
3. The scene with Henry recapitulating what Aerhis/Duodenae/Ëaren are was unnecessary as it added pretty much nothing to the plot
4. Your Italian is quite good. Props on that.
5. Just a clarification, Castel Sant’Angelo isn’t in the Vatican, is in Rome. The Swiss Guard can’t be there without permission of Rome’s Police. The only part the Swiss Guard can guard of the castle it’s the underground passage that leads to the Vatican.
6. Another clarification, the Buddha wasn’t fat. Quite the contrary, he was thin and starved himself many times.

Overall great action, but you could expand on the villains a bit more.

Chapter VI:

1. Another nitpick on the Latin, it should be “Plures ardentes petrae cadunt”.
2. You must hate me by this point, but the correct Latin is “Orta Terra”.
3. Iridium isn’t the rarest metal on Earth, that title belongs to Technetium, which is so unstable it’s almost a miracle to find outside of radioactive decay of heavier metals. But Iridium is still a very rare metal and the second stiffest of them all (right behind Osmium).
4. Loved the scene with Athena, quite fitting for the goddess of law and justice.
5. The Dark General scene could be much better if the difference between him and Claude was more pronounced. In that tidbit, it almost seems like the difference is cosmetic at best.

Another great action chapter and I dare say the best yet. I was going to say something about the overall writing, but I feel I should leave that for tomorrow.

@Vishnu and Kiddjutsu: maybe it's my English that is failing me, but I'm not saying that Kiddjutsu's posts are completely worthless or that he doesn't help the writers. The thing is, and Kiddjutsu admitted it right away, is that he doesn't criticize the works when that's the best kind of commentary that a writer can possibly have. That's an yes-man in my book.

Kiddjutsu, you don't need to be a writer to notice where something is wrong or when something isn't satisfying you as a reader, so again I say, don't be afraid to point out the flaws when they're there. Right above I noted Vishnu's clunky Latin but that doesn't suddenly makes his work sucky, by the contrary, it's very enjoyable in a crazy way, only he needs to improve the Latin he uses. THAT is what I'd love to see you employ in your commentaries. Saying what you like is nice, but isn't as fully constructive as criticism is. And many times, saying to the writer what he did was sucky (if it indeed is, of course) may be harsh, but it's a good wake up call for him to awake and realize he needs to improve a lot.

To specific quotes:
Yes, but you said you didn't understand how the powers worked. In the second chapter I explain the powers. That's what I meant by you not commenting on the second chapter when things you asked for are there. So I ask you: do you understand or do you want it to be further explained?

And I didn't say that, Vishnu, only that positive-only commentaries can ruin a writer. See Tim Burton and Johnny Depp, they're each other's yes-men and look how they completely butchered a good ol' vampire fiction. I'm not saying that is happening to you, but better be safe than sorry.

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Num, currently i am the University so i don't have time now to answer everything. But i want to say this: thank you very much for this. I really appreciate it. I know that it took lots of your time to read an analyse everything and i'm glad that you did it. Your objective criticism will help me improve. When i get home, i will do my best to answer every question that you posted. Thank you again for everything.

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My god, Num. Thank you very much for this. And i mean it. It's been a long time since i had so many questions to answer at once. I will do my best to answer to everything. But first i want to explain something: there are several parts in the plot that don't make sense. Now. Because some paragraphs there will receive a meaning in the future. Some paragraphs there are the foundation for the several twists of the plot. I'm sorry for that, but it's my writing style.*

Chapter I:
What's the etymology for "Arinasa" and "Asclose"? I'm kind of an etymological freak, so not knowing where those names come from distracts me a little.

It doesn't have an etymology. It's a made up name. For Arinasa's character, i wanted an unique name, something that was never used before.*

When I was reading the amphitheater scene, I was thinking to myself "why don't the hundred-and-so other students flee through the backdoor?", but then I realized that not all amphitheaters in Europe have two doors like we have here. That said, I understand why they didn't flee, since they were trapped, but you should make sure that the door the robed guys walked in was the only door to explain why the students weren't behaving as they'd normally would (in this case, to flee from the amphitheater).

Yeah, i recall that mistake. I missed that part, and you're right. I have to be more careful about this kind of details.

A suggestion: could you put the names of the character's lines in bold? Makes it easier on the readers' eyes to separate dialog from action.

It's a valid suggestion and i will do it.*

I liked the two meta twists you did with Vishnu. The first being naming him Claude, which means "lame", and the second being Vishnu killing Jaganath, considered an avatar of Vishnu.

It's interesting that you have noticed this. It's a very subtle analogy that i have made there.*

Chapter II:
Sorry if this was already discussed, but what's the deal with the asterisks without footnotes? Am I missing something?

No you're not missing anything. My tablet adds them when i'm writing, and i don't know why. I tried to discover the source but i failed. Just ignore them.

I think you dropped the ball in the amphitheater scene since you seem to have forgotten about the hundred-and-so students. You have all the killings, talk about Gods and magic being tossed and not a single reaction coming out of them? You could've simply made them exit the room as soon as Asclose and co. left the scene.

Again, i made a mistake forgetting about the students.

The line "And you're part of it, love" threw me off a bit. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but normally I'd pose them as lovers before throwing the "love" adjective. I thought they were friends until that point.

I think that you have noticed in the next chapters. It's just Claude's manner of speaking.*

Another question on etymology about Sciffer. The closest I find is Old English Skiffer ("fisherman") but I'm not seeing how that equates to lightning.

Sciffer, it's a name that has a personal meaning for me. If you want i can send you a PM about it, because i don't feel like sharing this with everyone.

The tension progression between Claude killing Arthur and the Sesto scene could be better handled, but the hilarious payoff pretty much covers it. Bitchin'!

I am aware about the tension there, but i didn't wanted at that point to apply to much of it, because the overall effect would have been interpreted as rushing the action.

Just a comparison between our writing styles: I too wrote a drive scene in Paris (Waters of Ocean Darkest, Chapter II), but mine was 20 km long and I spent almost a 1000 words on that scene alone, describing pretty much everything of note in that drive. You make a 1240 km drive and spend fewer than 300 words on it. By Cthulhu, if it was me, I'd probably spend an whole chapter on the Vienna-Paris drive alone.

I thought about having a conversation in the car, but i chose a different scenery. Because the idea of adding Leonardo to the discussion popped out.

Chapter III:
Darn my rich knowledge, when I read "Sigmund" and "Grigori" I thought of the Völsung saga's Sigmund and the Grigori angels. You could see my disappointment when it was Freud and Rasputin (specially the latter one, poor guy didn't deserve the bad reputation he got).

He didn't but he received that reputation though. And the Grigori angels would have been an interesting choice, too bad that i didn't thought about it.

Etymology question again, now for Aerhis, Duodenae and Ëaren. Although I know what they mean in standard etymology ("Aerial", "of 12 parts" and "Wanderer"), they don't exactly match their properties.

Again, made up names.*

Arinasa's reaction dangerously tips into the nonchalant field. More skepticism would do wonders in her dialog.

And this is what i was saying about. Her reactions are part of the plot. She is too nonchalant as you say. Unfortunately i cannot reveal much more at this point.

You should have written more tension between Claude and co. and Freud & Rasputin. One thing is to have antagonism between people who have to put up with each other, but this isn't seemingly the case, since it was implied they don't interact that often.

Claude doesn't think of them as appropiate adversaries.

Why does Radium hurt gods and not any other element?

That will be explained soon enough.

Another meta twist here. Yama is supposed to be subordinate to Vishnu in Hinduism, nice.
You wasted a good reference with Fulgur if you named it Vajra instead.

I see what you mean with Vajra. But i chosed latin, instead of chinese or japanese.


Chapter IV:
Nitpicking here, Sciffer's releases should be Tertius, Secundus and Primus/Tertia, Secunda and Prima or Tertium, Secundum and Primum, or else you have a Latin word salad there.

Unfortunately i don't speak latin. And i researched on the internet. I know that it's not a good choice there, but to me Tertia, Secundo and Primum sounded much better.

Etymology nagging again, now for Deiphyna. I get the "dei" particle, but not the "phyna" part.

Again a made up name.

Another Latin nitpick, it should be "De sacrificium me vestrum" if you intent was for "Of sacrifice I cover myself".
Vishnu, why u no consistent with Latin? It’s either Magna Adtonita or Magnus Adtonitus!
As much as the nomenclature is non-conventional, naming a slave Egyptian from 5200 years ago “Robert” is really pushing the Suspension of Disbelief a tad too much.
A good transitive chapter with a good flashback to give it a pinch of action. And work your Latin if you want to use it!

I know. I really have to improve my Latin. And, if i had a different setup planned for Robert, but i lacked the necessary time to persist on that. Either way, i will make up for using the name with dedicating an entire chapter to his history pretty soon.

Chapter V:
Dorian Gray seems oddly placed here, although you do have a mythical bunch of characters.

I needed to give Mozart an opponent.

The scene with Henry recapitulating what Aerhis/Duodenae/Ëaren are was unnecessary as it added pretty much nothing to the plot

I recapitulated that for the reader so they wouldn't have to go back several pages behind if they had forgot.

Your Italian is quite good. Props on that.

Thank you.

Just a clarification, Castel Sant’Angelo isn’t in the Vatican, is in Rome. The Swiss Guard can’t be there without permission of Rome’s Police. The only part the Swiss Guard can guard of the castle it’s the underground passage that leads to the Vatican.

Castel Sant'Angelo is a three minutes walk away from Vatican. And i used the connection with the passage. And i know about the Swiss guard but that's not necessary a mistake, since i didn't mention if they have the permission of not.

Another clarification, the Buddha wasn’t fat. Quite the contrary, he was thin and starved himself many times.

I know. It's just for the effect of the story. Again, this is one of the things that will play a part in the future of the plot.

Chapter VI:

Iridium isn’t the rarest metal on Earth, that title belongs to Technetium, which is so unstable it’s almost a miracle to find outside of radioactive decay of heavier metals. But Iridium is still a very rare metal and the second stiffest of them all (right behind Osmium).

Something new. I had no knowledge of thr Technetium. I will research on that. Thank you.

Loved the scene with Athena, quite fitting for the goddess of law and justice.

Yeah, i thought of devising a power fitting to her status.

The Dark General scene could be much better if the difference between him and Claude was more pronounced. In that tidbit, it almost seems like the difference is cosmetic at best.
Another great action chapter and I dare say the best yet. I was going to say something about the overall writing, but I feel I should leave that for tomorrow.

The cosmetic difference it's because i only showed a tidbit as you say. The next chapters will show why he was feared, and his different personality. Also, the very next chapter will show why does he exists inside Vishnu.

Thank you for your observations Num, it was really helpful. As i said: i really appreciate that you wasted your time on this. I hope that i answered everything and please, if you have again time in the future, analyze again my work. It helps me find flaws and evolve. Because right now i'm doing an experiment. I write without having a plan, or looking back at the previous chapters. I want to see how much can i remember and how can i handle the various ideas that i have and make them work without constant checking of the previous chapters. Just based on memories and intuition. Anyway...Thank you again!

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Nothing is true!
When other men are limited by morality and law remember:
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Continuing my commentary...

Chapter VII:

• Oh, you tease, throwing an off-screen sex scene!
• One more Latin nitpick, it'd be Centum Gladii
• I don't know if that was your intent or not, by Refringo means "I break", which is kind of odd considering the rest of the nomenclature
• Axis Mundi is the villains' version of Deus ex Machina. Cheating bastard, the whole lot!
• Claude ain't dead, you kind of spoiled your twist there in the comments of previous chapters.
• Why did they go to Bucharest to hail Claude's funeral? Until that point nothing was connecting the country to Claude.

The third of the action-packed chapters but not as satisfying as the previous. Felt kind of rushed.

Act II, Chapter I:

• Latin nitpick #364534548723: Sphaera Interit
• Flamel is a nice guy, allowing Max to pick up the phone.
• The Darwin shot scene was good
• All that was missing from Michael abducting Arinasa was a "yoink!" line

A decent set up chapter that hints for a thrilling volume.

Chapter II:

• Why are the minds of the immortals sealed to Michael's telepathic reading and Ëaren minds not? And it's Claude!
• Err... is Portas Aperite.
• So becoming an Ëaren is pretty much the reverse of acquiring the MS. Nice touch.
• Poor Athena, relinquished to a now outdated ability.
• C'mon, Vishnu, the twist of Claude coming at Celest City was obvious!
• So Claude declares himself the leaders and people just go like “okay”? I comprehend not trying to go against him, but not having any friction is kind of odd.
• Why did Claude survive Axis Mundi? More importantly, how did the Beyonders not even notice that?
• The Beyonders’ reaction to Claude’s survival is nonchalant to say the least.
• Oh, the good ol’ “pretending to turn coats to save friends from a big threat”. Nice.
• Latin again: Ultima Chorea

The action was top-notch in this chapter, but, excepting the Claude twist, the aftermath should have been handled better.

Chapter III:

1. Henry’s suggestion was… well, stupid, considering the group’s intent was to back up Claude while protecting Arinasa, not to chase
2. Ultimus Cataclysmus
3. So Balance of Truth can be broken and restored? Kind of a bummer Michael breaking it had no aftereffect.
4. So half of the city was destroyed and no god/immortal complained about it?

Transitional chapter, but very entertaining.


Now for what you said about my commentary:

No need to, I understand.



@ bold: That's odd, considering Romanian is a Latin-derived language. As a fellow Latin-derived language user, it confuses the shit out of me having a feminine, a masculine and a neuter adjective thrown together.


That said, wiktionary.org is a good source to check the Latin, since it shows how it's conjugated in both gender, number and purpose.




A tip: when writing, consider your readers geniuses that understand and remember everything. Only when they pose questions and forget stuff is when you recapitulate and pan out stuff. It's better for the reader to have genuine doubt rather than feeling patronized.










Now a commentary of the writing as a whole, you're like the diametric version of me: while my dialog and attention to detail are very good and my action writing and tension are sucky, your action writing and tension are very good but your attention to detail and dialog need serious improvement. Would be an interesting experiment if we wrote something together.


That said, there are issues in your writing considering the 9 C's of good writing:

1. Coherency
2. Consistency
3. Characterization
4. Characters before plot
5. Canon before appeal
6. Cop-outs are to be avoided
7. Clichés too
8. Cognizant writer is the best writer
9. Can't please everyone, or you'll please none

While points 1, 2, 7 and 9 are of good health, the others need to be worked on.


3) Characterization:Only Claude and Robert are properly characterized. All other characters are just... there, including Arinasa and Max, who you said would be sharing the spotlight with Claude and Robert, but there's no drive exclusive to those characters. And the only things truly distinguishing the immortals on either side are their names and abilities, otherwise they're just numbers for the count. If they were one-arc wonders or characters that only appear once in a while (like the Beyonders), it'd understandable, but we're already in what, the sixth or seventh arc of the fiction with them always there?



4) Characters over plot: I think this is the crux of what is flawed in your writing, you're putting the plot at the top of everything. This may sound confusing, but while the plot is the most important thing in fiction, it can't be the priority. Characters should be above the plot, that is, when you write characters you should be more preoccupied with them than what they have to say about the plot. That's the problem your dialog has, with the exception of the Sesto scene, the off-panel sexy-time scene and Balance of Truth, the characters are either speaking plot, exposition or reacting to the plot. Only Claude and Robert seem to be immune to this.


5 & 6) Canon before appeal/Cop-outs are to be avoided: I'll roll these two into one: don't withhold basic information just because there's a plot twist down the road. Fuck the plot twists if the readers go "why?" at some plot points. Using the radium plot point, you just needed to explain the necessary minimum so people would go "oh!" and then when the plot twist would come in explaining it fully, people would go "OH!!!". You catch my drift? And this "necessary minimum" shouldn't be Claude's excuse of "I dunno" when the explanation for him surviving the Axis Mundi should happen but didn't. Is it really going to payoff later instead of when the need arose?


8) Cognizant writer is the best writer:


DON'T DO IT. DON'T!!! Have a plan, look back at previous chapter, take notes of everything you do and why did you do it. Going by memory without a plan or reference is prone to a lot of mistakes.

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Vishnu

I'm sorry guys but because of some personal matters i have to take a small break. Num, i will try to answer what you have said when i can. The next three chapters will be posted as soon as i deal with my matters. Thank you for understanding.

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When other men blindly follow the truth remember:
Nothing is true!
When other men are limited by morality and law remember:
Everything is permitted!

Narut0360

I'm Back!!

Chapter Continuation from page 72

I’m rusty at this, but I wanted to try and make a Comeback

SO ANY Thoughts and comments will be extremely Helpful, Thank YOU!

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Check out my Fanfiction from the very Beginning on page "37" in Naruto Fan Fiction Thread and it continues on pages "37,47,49,57,61,62,63,70,71,72,90,92,93, 94,96,98"

Thank You and Enjoy

jekyl_hyde

Just wanted to drop in and say... the little dude is here. After numerous weeks of suffering and bemoaning by the wife, my son is here.

Also, great to see you back N360. Nice turn in the drama between Hinata and Naruto. Just don't get too predictable with it. Also, when you describe a moment such as the ending of this chapter, be a little more descriptive if possible, because that would have been a nice moment if it could have been drawn. But really great to have you back man.

Narut0360

First off, Congrats on the Baby Boy!! & lets hope he is more Dr. Jekyl in him than Mr. Hyde lol.... But I'm getting off topic, So Again Congrats!

Secondly, Its good to be back but as you pointed out I'm a little rusty at being unpredictable, but once i get back into a groove which i hope to be soon i think i will be back to normal.

Finally, can you clarify or highlight what you want me to be more descriptive about in the previous chapter so i can see my error and improve my writing for my continuation, it would be a great help..... But only if you have time.

Thank you for your comments and again Congrats!!