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Old 11-28-2012, 06:13 AM   #16
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Re: The Nature energy Connection...

Ignoring the rest because it's nothing but presumption with nothing to back it up, along with white knighting/fanning the "outside-the-box philosopher being abused by the masses". Sorry, but logic is universal and "theories", such as this one, require some form of evidence to meet a level of proof to go from hypothesis to theory.

Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
The Sage obviously had other descendants than just Senju and Uchiha. The manga even says(this should meet your approval Kael) that Uchiha and Senju are the DILUTED descendants of his 2 son's, so surely they must be more, albeit not as powerful as Senju and Uchiha.
Of course the Sage had other descendants. I never once said otherwise. In fact, I constantly point out to the Senjutards the redundancy of Naruto being Senju since his Uzumaki lineage ties him to the Younger Son, and thus makes him related to the Sage. The Hyuuga are speculated to be linked to the Elder son when it was originally thought the sharinga evolved from the byakugan waaaaaaaay back in the part 1 chuunin exams. However, the manga never explicitly stated the Senju/Uzumaki/Uchiha were diluted descendants. It's implied, from the numerous generations to have passed in order to make the Sage an obscure myth, that the bloodlines are diluted
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Not everything that the sage passed on came from the Juubi. He had the Rinnegan before he confronted the Juubi. So dojutsus like the Sharingan (which is a step to obtaining the Rinnegan) can be tied back to the Sage himself. Chakra manipulation also came before the Juubi, as the Sage had to use chakra to create the seals used to contain the Juubi. There are at least two things that haven't been attributed to the Juubi, so your argument of "everything the sage passed on was from the Juubi" is false.
I agree with Kael03, so this seemingly mindless destructive creature made the rivers, trees and forests, etc. All humans have chakra, the sage with his rinnegan(mutation or otherwise) divined(figured out) what you can do with it, taught how to hone and nurture(increase) it and such.

I believe the sage and least had the rinnegan, because how in the world would a normal run of the mill human figure out a way to contain the juubi inside himself. Naruto in a pure rage state healed fast, and even in his 'normal' state, so I think the juubi and sage shared traits, this is why the juubi has the rinnegan and vice versa.
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:52 PM   #18
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Originally Posted by kael03 View Post
Good to see you still can't form a coherent argument and provide evidence for your claims. A theory requires some evidence behind it, not just wild speculation.
Good to see you still make random claims and are unwilling to accept anything as evidence... then run off because you are the one with no real argument otherwise you would actually be able to disprove what I have provided...
As opposed to claiming it is not evidence at all lol....

I mean, how is the fact that nature energy changes the pupil of the user, or causes pigmentation of the eyes... or some other physical trademark that shows they are using nature energy...
ANd yet this is also done by the descendants of the sage as well...

Uchiha have a pupil change (naruto and kabuto had a pupil change as well in SM)... Uzumaki have trademark hair that changes to white when their chakra is ran out completely (those who use the CS power of juugo which is a SM have hair color change which goes back when the power is gone)... and the only senju known for being powerful had a trademark wood element that is the use of earth and water... along with a super powered body....(senjutsu is known for increasing the power of the body, allowing for large brute strength and power which hashirama had...)

The descendants of the sage all show evidence of nature energy use... Yet this is not evidence for you lol... Someone has to say they use nature energy... Somehow, in your world, the actions of showing use of nature energy is nothing compared to some random dialogue mentioning it...

And that is a weak argument if their ever was one...

Originally Posted by AOTKorby View Post
KYF, I don't get why the Yin/Yang shit needed to be any part of this. Hell, the story gives a pretty clear reason why it can't be. The method of creating Sage chakra itself is to take chakra, which consists of the inner Yin energy (spiritual) and the inner Yang energy (physical), and use Natural Energy to achieve a new balance between all three. Natural Energy is neither Yin nor Yang. This is established already.
Not everyone can use Yin and Yang nature chakra Korby... YIN nature chakra is a chakra consisting of imagination and spiritual energy to create shape and form out of nothingness... which is basically genjutsu...
And Yang nature chakra is a chakra consisting of physical energy and life energy of vitality to give life to things that have no life... This is basically how ninjutsu works to create elements out of chakra as well as any other baisc ninjutsu skill...

So spiritual energy is not YIN nature chakra... it is a piece of what it takes to make yin nature chakra while physical energy is not Yang nature chakra is too is only a pieces... Putting spiritual energy and physical energy together is how you make basic chakra...

SO then, YIN nature chakra which is based on spiritual energy and imagination could be infused with nature energy to make it a form of chakra without using physical energy...
Meanwhile Yang nature chakra which is based on physical energy and life energy could be fused with nature energy to create another form of chakra as well...

I mean, how did you think different chakra's could be made by using two of the things that is supposed to make standard chakra itself??? If physical energy and spiritual energy make chakra, then how could simply using one and one other thing make a form of chakra??? Clearly nature energy is what is used to make that possible... SO here it is...

Physical energy and spiritual energy=basic chakra...

Spiritual energy and Imagination+Nature energy=Yin nature chakra...

Physical energy and life energy+Nature energy=Yang nature chakra...

That is how I see it...

No matter how POWERFUL/STRONG you are. If you cannot CATCH your Enemy, all you POWER/STRENGTH is no more USEFUL then a squirt gun....
And if You cannot possibly TRACK/REACT to your enemies attacks to Defend yourself, then how can you possibly stop him from DEFEATING you at WILL...


People live relying on they're Knowledge and Perception, and thus are bound to them.....
Those Boundaries are what they tend to accept as "Reality".....
However..... Knowledge and Perception are both ambiguous....
so "Reality" could be nothing more....
then an illusion....

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