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Old 11-29-2012, 10:58 PM   #91
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Though, I'm thinking he had some form of Sage Mode before challenging the beast. So, a special sort of human.
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Though, I'm thinking he had some form of Sage Mode before challenging the beast. So, a special sort of human.
Making him what the equivalent of Jiraiya or Naruto without Kyuubi in terms of raw power? At the end of the day he was still a human with bad ass sealing techniques.
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I can't believe that there are so many people dogging on KYF. I'll admit, he's outlandish, annoying, stubborn, thick-headed, persistant, did I mention annoying?

Back to point.... the law of averages state that is he has a 50% chance of being wrong/correct every time when he makes a theory, when in reality.... it's much lower.... but after you've made hundreds, possibly thousands of theories... you're bound to get a couple right. Just sayin'.

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After absorbing the Juubi's power & becoming a god. Before actually gaining the Juubi's power he was a human. Ignoring everything else you're saying since people tend to ignore the strong implication that Rinnegan came from the Juubi's power.

Your fail logic fails hard. The power differences in characters isn't as disproportionate as it is in something like Bleach or DBZ. the five Kages aren't even the most powerful fighters in the alliance to begin with yet you're making such an unfound clam? Totally ignoring the fact that each village has it's own ninja of elite status such as Kakashi, Guy, Choujiro, Darui, Kitsuchi, Kurotsuchi, Temari, Kankarou, & many many others. Like really now five people overpowers the total fighting force of over 20,000 people? I repeat this is not Bleach people stop acting like retards.

Smh if your saying rikkodu. So6p was human. Trying to imply he's a ordinary person in the narutoverse your wrong. That's what I got from your original post. If your just saying he was mortal but still far more powerful than anything we've seen in naruto then I agree.
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My point is simple there's to much hype surrounding the Juubi when in reality it was supposedly stopped by a single human. Meteor summoning Madara has little to do with anything considering the fact that there are well over 20k shinobi in the area right now. I mean really now if you think the five Kages are more powerful than the total combined force of the shinobi alliance than your sense of logic fails hard. The only real thing Madara did at this point was beat 5 people & killed a couple of fodder ninja. Overrated hype is simply that overrated.
This is what I don't agree with...I mean it's YOUR opinion but TO ME this is you under rating shit and playing it off like "he's gonna get sealed agin it's nothing special". It's nt really special cause we all kno it's going to happen cause the manga has to end. What you said about madara is completely wrong tho I'm sorry. He showed that in the state he's in now if he really wanted he could wipe the whole alliance out by himself. Infinite chakra = infinite number of wood clones or Kage bushin w.e with perfect susanoo, special uchiha jutsu, ems, rinnigan, myokuton, bijuu draining wood dragon, ability to create forests and plants that emit paralyzingly mist, summoning meteors, rinnigan Justus like chikabu tensei, a fan that reflects jutsu like that's not hype that's some shit. He's so strong he hasn't used the same shit twice on purpose cause he said it isn't classy. He showed that by completly wiping out the Kage on some playing around shit. Only 5 clones per person w/ what looked like incomplete susanoos -_-. The Kage represented the strongest, or top tier fighters in there village. I can't see anyone stopping him in the state he's in realistically... only by plot. I explained that in my previous post. Since you didnt address it I guess we agree..

The jubii is some shit too, no over hype er anything. It's not even complete its missing the two strongest parts of itself 8&9 tails...it's not at full power and the "human" that stopped him is the strongest person in the manga. Just based off off what he did. How can someone in the manga beat the person that created jutsu. Could turn his imagination into reality. He's the whole reason the naruverse exists. If the sage wasn't the sage there would b no naruto, chakra manipulation nothing. So in the naruto world he's the shit and if the jubii got sealed by HIM which led to his death that's some shit too... That's how I see it. I mean yeah he was human...like mortal, but he's still the strongest shit we've never seen. Plus look how strong the descendants of him are. Like his power was split and has since then been watered down. Narutos chakra and physical abilities (this is my assumption) pale in comparison to his because of how watered down it was. Same with uchiha eye techs. He's the root of it all. IMO his eye techs and physical powers are far beyond uzimaki/senju and uchiha.

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Making him what the equivalent of Jiraiya or Naruto without Kyuubi in terms of raw power? At the end of the day he was still a human with bad ass sealing techniques.
The thing is that no one alive has anything close to his level of mastery of sealing techniques. Those are the only way of stopping the Juubi near as we can tell. Naruto, Tsunade, and Karin are the last three people alive with Uzumaki lineage (far as we're aware), and of them the only one with legitimate skill in the art is Tsunade. She's kind of dying right now. I mean, Kurama was literally impossible to contain except by exceptionally powerful sealing techniques and the ten tails is on such a more vast magnitude of power that they aren't even worth comparing. As it stands, nothing is stopping Obito and Madara from commanding the Juubi to just nuke the entire alliance in a single attack.
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actually ino just showed us they can be stopped. two people against all 5 countries they can be stopped there are other elite ninja not even named that can play a serious part. the whole rookie nine plus sai we know will play a part shikimaru the biggest, the thunder nin will play a role cuz of killer bee, the mist nin will have a part due to the animosity they hold for being pushed into bloody mist era not to mention temari will play a part. i dont see this battle ending for a half year and it will not be one sided. on the alliance side there are too many able bodys and on the other side madara is too skilled and knows too many justu. i can see final susanoo coming out as well as a fantastic combination coming from shikimarus planning and narutos execution
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actually ino just showed us they can be stopped. two people against all 5 countries they can be stopped there are other elite ninja not even named that can play a serious part. the whole rookie nine plus sai we know will play a part shikimaru the biggest, the thunder nin will play a role cuz of killer bee, the mist nin will have a part due to the animosity they hold for being pushed into bloody mist era not to mention temari will play a part. i dont see this battle ending for a half year and it will not be one sided. on the alliance side there are too many able bodys and on the other side madara is too skilled and knows too many justu. i can see final susanoo coming out as well as a fantastic combination coming from shikimarus planning and narutos execution
U rite. This has to end it prolly will go down like that.
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This is what I don't agree with...I mean it's YOUR opinion but TO ME this is you under rating shit and playing it off like "he's gonna get sealed agin it's nothing special".
Because that's what is most likely going to happen. The sense of danger vanished the moment the Shinobi alliance consisting of well over 20,000 people arrived.

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It's nt really special cause we all kno it's going to happen cause the manga has to end. What you said about madara is completely wrong tho I'm sorry. He showed that in the state he's in now if he really wanted he could wipe the whole alliance out by himself.
Because he defeated five people? Madara just got his shit rocked by Mito Guy a few chapters ago if they had a sealing team then he would have been sealed then.

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Infinite chakra = infinite number of wood clones or Kage bushin w.e with perfect susanoo, special uchiha jutsu, ems, rinnigan, myokuton, bijuu draining wood dragon, ability to create forests and plants that emit paralyzingly mist, summoning meteors, rinnigan Justus like chikabu tensei, a fan that reflects jutsu like that's not hype that's some shit.
Again you're missing the point. One person (Mito Guy) was enough to put Madara on his ass. Now there's 20,000 more trained killers as backup it's simple math.

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He's so strong he hasn't used the same shit twice on purpose cause he said it isn't classy.
He's used Susanoo multiple times as well as used wood style multiple times. Stop talking out of your ass.

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He showed that by completly wiping out the Kage on some playing around shit.
Again the Kages consist of only five I repeat five people.

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Only 5 clones per person w/ what looked like incomplete susanoos -_-. The Kage represented the strongest, or top tier fighters in there village.
Yet Mito Guy has out preformed every single living Kage by putting Madara on his ass. Kakashi & Naruto are obviously stronger than Tsunade. Kirabi is stated to be stronger than Raikage. While Choujiro has out preformed Mei when they were facing the same opponent. People need to stop overestimating the Kages as if they make up 90% of their villages power because that clearly isn't the case.


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I can't see anyone stopping him in the state he's in realistically... only by plot.
Over 20,000 trained killers vs 2 people & a giant monster? You honestly can't see how they're going to win?


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I explained that in my previous post. Since you didnt address it I guess we agree..
Umm no I ignored it because what you were saying was retarded.

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The jubii is some shit too, no over hype er anything. It's not even complete its missing the two strongest parts of itself 8&9 tails...it's not at full power and the "human" that stopped him is the strongest person in the manga.
Rikkudou's legend is based on AFTER HE GAINED THE JUUBI's POWER. Before gaining it he was not considered a god dumbass.

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Just based off off what he did.
By using sealing techniques which have been passed down from generation to generation?


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How can someone in the manga beat the person that created jutsu.
By cutting off his head? Was that even a serious question?

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Could turn his imagination into reality.
Hey retard that was a power granted to him by the Juubi.

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He's the whole reason the naruverse exists.
Actually the Juubi is the progenitor of the shinobi world not Rikkudo.

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If the sage wasn't the sage there would b no naruto, chakra manipulation nothing.
So chakra wouldn't exist without Rikkudou? Are you fucking retarded or something? The Juubi is the progenitor of the shinobi world not Rikkudo.

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So in the naruto world he's the shit and if the jubii got sealed by HIM which led to his death that's some shit too...
Like I said before MOST OF RIKKUDOU's REPUTATION IS BASED ON AFTER HE AGAINED THE JUUBI'S POWER NOT BEFORE.

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That's how I see it. I mean yeah he was human...like mortal, but he's still the strongest shit we've never seen.
We've never even seen Rikkudou in action dumbass. The strongest we've seen to date is Madara Uchiha or Naruto.

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Plus look how strong the descendants of him are. Like his power was split and has since then been watered down.
You mean the latent energy of the Juubi's power was passed down right? Since as we all know Rinnegan & Sharingan's origin clearly originates from the Juubi.
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Actually the Juubi is the progenitor of the shinobi world not Rikkudo.
Manga says that the Sage was the progenitor of the shinobi world. He was the one that taught the ability to mold chakra. Before sealing the Juubi into himself, he had to have the ability to use chakra to make the seal. The Juubi may be the source of chakra, but the Sage is the source of shinobi.
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Your fail logic fails hard. The power differences in characters isn't as disproportionate as it is in something like Bleach or DBZ.
You are either blind or a dense bitch....I'm going with both.

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the five Kages aren't even the most powerful fighters in the alliance to begin with yet you're making such an unfound clam?
Did I say they were ? Nardo and B are the strongest wizards in the army, but that doesn't change the fact that Oonoki shits on everyone else in terms of destructive capacity, mobility and durability. The man can fly, spam atomizing cubes O'Death and survive having an asteroid falling on top of his body.

What would the alliance do ? Lure him in with an early bird dinner then poison his mashed potatoes ?

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Totally ignoring the fact that each village has it's own ninja of elite status such as Kakashi, Guy,
Both are packing powerful yet incredibly draining techs, not very efficient in combat.

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Choujiro, Darui, Kitsuchi, Kurotsuchi, Temari, Kankarou, & many many others.


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Like really now five people overpowers the total fighting force of over 20,000 people?
20 thousand fodder mind you, and didn't I give a viable strategy already ?

What are they going to do against Oonoki being supported by Gaara and Tsunade ?

They can't get through Gaara's shield, their air combat capabilities suck balls and there is no blocking Oonoki's attacks.

If you can't see the power discrepancy in this manga then you sir are a moron. Naruto could Solo this bitch with ease if he wanted, or did you miss the near country sized Bijuudama explosions that have littered this manga since this power rangers death match started ?

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actually ino just showed us they can be stopped.
You do realize that Ino was able to stop Obito for only 2 seconds right ?

If the plot shield surrounding the alliance wasn't as strong as Captain america's shield right now Obito could have already ended this shit. Nardo and B are both out for the moment, Kakashi and GAi ditto, all it would take is another black lazor and good bye alliance.

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two people against all 5 countries they can be stopped there are other elite ninja not even named that can play a serious part. the whole rookie nine plus sai we know will play a part shikimaru the biggest, the thunder nin will play a role cuz of killer bee, the mist nin will have a part due to the animosity they hold for being pushed into bloody mist era not to mention temari will play a part. i dont see this battle ending for a half year and it will not be one sided. on the alliance side there are too many able bodys and on the other side madara is too skilled and knows too many justu. i can see final susanoo coming out as well as a fantastic combination coming from shikimarus planning and narutos execution
Aside from obvious plot BS no amount of planning should be able to stop the Juubi or Madara. The damn thing tanked attacks the alliance wouldn't be able to replicate at full strenght, what the hell are they going to do now ?

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Again you're missing the point. One person (Mito Guy) was enough to put Madara on his ass.
Lol wut ?

Let's examine who ended up on his/her ass shall we ?

Madara after he took AT

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v60/c609/19.html

Gai after using AT

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v60/c610//

As you can see ( Maybe ) Gai is the one on his ass while Madara is able to move just fine. You also conveniently leave out the fact that Madara is not taking this shit seriously at all. If he wanted to Gai would be dead gates or no gates.

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Over 20,000 trained killers vs 2 people & a giant monster? You honestly can't see how they're going to win?
So you are blind, a dense bitch, and unfamiliar with fiction ?

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Manga says that the Sage was the progenitor of the shinobi world. He was the one that taught the ability to mold chakra. Before sealing the Juubi into himself, he had to have the ability to use chakra to make the seal. The Juubi may be the source of chakra, but the Sage is the source of shinobi.
Actually the Juubi is the progenitor as stated in the manga.




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Actually the Juubi is the progenitor as stated in the manga.

Read what I posted again. Then read this page again. I said that chakra came from the Juubi, which is what Kurama said. "It is the beginning of all chakra". The Sage is the one that discovered the methods to use the chakra the Juubi created. Without the Sage's discovery, shinobi wouldn't exist (hell, people wouldn't exist).

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Even bolded it, in case you missed it.

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Read what I posted again. Then read this page again. I said that chakra came from the Juubi, which is what Kurama said. "It is the beginning of all chakra". The Sage is the one that discovered the methods to use the chakra the Juubi created. Without the Sage's discovery, shinobi wouldn't exist (hell, people wouldn't exist).

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Even bolded it, in case you missed it.
Facts are facts the Juubi & not Rikkudou is the progenitor of all things that exist in the shinobi world. Stop acting like a retard.



@Dagoro Actually Guy did put Madara on his ass. Madara needed time to recover since he didn't do jack shit after that attack. Someone who is supposedly omnipotent like you're trying to make him out to be wouldn't have even been fased by it & would have attacked right afterward. The fact that he was tossed like a rag doll & put out of commission shows he can & will be defeated. The only thing missing from that situation was a seal team to finish the job. It doesn't have to be some deus ex machina shit in order to explain the defeat of two people & a monster.
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Old 11-30-2012, 04:34 AM   #105
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Re: Naruto_611

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@Dagoro Actually Guy did put Madara on his ass. Madara needed time to recover since he didn't do jack shit after that attack
Your perception regarding time lapses is terrible. Do you think Madara was away for an hour or something ? The dude was back on his feet moments later, how is that being put on his ass ?

Mean while Gai can't even move.

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Someone who is supposedly omnipotent like you're trying to make him out to be wouldn't have even been fased by it & would have attacked right afterward.
Boy you will hold on to that shitty argument till the very end won't ya ?

Are you really going to sweep under the rug the fact that Madara is not taking this shit seriously, and if he wanted he could have killed Gai with laughable ease ?

Pull out Perfect SusanoO and turn Gai into a stain on the groud, Put Gai to sleep with the forest thing then cook him with a Katon, or make a group of clones and let them butcher him like a pig. There were many options, Kishi isn't using them due to plot.

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The fact that he was tossed like a rag doll & put out of commission shows he can & will be defeated.
More stupid shit.

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The only thing missing from that situation was a seal team to finish the job.
Yep, that was the only thing missing.

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It doesn't have to be some deus ex machina shit in order to explain the defeat of two people & a monster. You can STFU now.
If you ignore all logic regarding power levels, progression and scaling. Unfortunately I cannot switch off my brain to that extent. These mofos are tossing around attacks on the megaton/gigaton range, the only thing holding them back from winning is a big ass plot weight.
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