Shrike

Underlying aspects of that scene... should I already start laughing? Or that part comes later?

Should this insult my reading comprehension? Because I sure as fuck didn't find something life changing in a kid's manga. Maybe I am just not intelligent enough for this genius piece of writing?

Yeah, he wanted to sacrifice himself. That was awesome. He didn't die. Uh, what sacrifice? WHAT A THEME!!

Yeah, random Shicibukai who needs to kill them all decides to kill one of them (and he survives). It would have been better if Kuma was like : hey bros, you are great guys, I'll let you all live. Not that sacrifice which isn't really a sacrifice shit.

...are you trying to defend it like that? Because all those scenes were MORONIC AS FUCK. It's the reason people say no one dies in OP.

Do you even realize what you are writing? It's a fucking parody and a kid's manga. How can you take such idiotic things like some life lessons?

It's fucking simple, let me draw it for you : a guy needs to die. Another guy steps in and is like : hey, let me die instead! He survives the death penalty (LOL). From all that, you get all emotional how he is actually an awesome friend and how he is a beast for surviving it! What the fuck, now comes the part where I really laugh.

Do you realize that he survived because the plot was very weak? Do you know what could have been a better friendship theme? IF HE ACTUALLY DIED. That brings impact to the reader, dunno if you realize what that means though because you are obviously a man-child.

Jesus Christ what a nerd.

Dagoro

Masking your stupidity with a fail attempt at wit, classic "Shit, I don't have an argument" move.

Or you are just an obtuse bitch, one or the other.

He survived due to sheer endurance and willpower, he was ready to die should it come to pass. But hey, continue with your one track BS, that will get you somewhere.

Yeah, the guy that arrived at Marijoa several chapters ago and was chilling there ended up being the one to go. What randomness indeed.

Again, blatant dismissal of all the elements of that scene. Kuma decided to torture Zoro and leaving the overwhelming stacked damage to finish him off. But Zoro, being the stubborn person that he is refused to go down, simple as that.

How imaginative.

That is not the issue. You framed this as some BS occurrence, which it isn't since it's backed by canon.

Pointless ad hominem, I think were done here.

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Vengeance

This .

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Screenshot from Shingeki no Kyojin.

Check out this awesome manga called Magi.

Shrike

Check those two quotes now as see what you wrote. If everybody, and I do mean everybody, don't laugh at that shit, then I dunno. A hint: it's fucking hilarious dude.

Dagoro

Appealing to popularity ? That is a new low.

Also, lol at your transparent ass omitting my entire argument and trying to pass a snippet as everything I said.

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Shrike

Yeah, I even forgot about his back pains. What a waste, the dude is a beast. His characters are really awesome.

And I know dude, I left it hanging where I should have just continued, but more serious work waited for me. Sucks dicks, I know. Too bad too, because there was supposed to be some huge war later on which should have been the peak of epic.

Yeah man, Silver Foxy was the worst arc in any manga I have ever read. I dunno how I even got through that bullshit. Seriously, if I was reading chapter a week, I would have stopped reading for sure.

And definitely agree with OP tards. I mean it's a funny manga and has awesome and epic moments, but come the fuck on.

Shrike

What argument? The thing I quoted was basically the core of the argument. Can't you comprehend it? I called bullshit of Zoro surviving. You said he was tough. End of the argument.

Dagoro

Stooping to ad nauseum now huh ?

I addressed all the aspects of that scene, but hey stick with your tunnel vision on the matter.

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Shrike

Those aspects are retarded, as I said. There is no aspect for bullshit other than bullshit. See what Vengeance quoted. It all comes down to that. Don't need to repeat myself.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention one more thing I hate in OP - it has THE most annoying fodder ever. No manga has their fodder being such mongoloids as OP does. I hate panels with them saying anything, but it sadly isn't quite rare.

Dagoro

Obtuse bitch it is.

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Numinous

Oh for fuck's sake, Dagoro, are you really not getting what Shrike is saying?!

I talked about how One Piece as few PnJ as probably less than one per saga, Zoro surviving Kuma's transference of pain was one of them. Don't get me wrong, the scene by itself is good and Zoro going to Mihawk is also a good move, the result of the scene is what severely downgrades its value. Fake sacrifices are cheap in my book (unless they're part of a gag) and Zoro shouldn't have survived that transference.

Oda would make it better if it happened in late New World in order to get Mihawk's training and going through the time skip. That way it would have a bigger emotional impact, as he'd be so close to his/the crew's dream but dying before he could reach it. So if Kuma just let the Straw Hats go just because, of course it'd be anticlimactic, but it'd pay off much more in the future.

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Dagoro

Does it look like I didn't get what he was saying ?

I'm just pointing how retarded his reasoning was. A oversimplification of the scene coupled with his dismissal of it as if it was an implausibility.

Really ? You too ?

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Numinous

It's not an oversimplification of the scene, it's rather a dissection of it from an objective point of view. If you notice, you're rationalizing a scene with arguments that aren't really that relevant (like Zoro being stubborn). It may seem cold and crude, but the truth is Oda lured the reader with a sacrifice and didn't deliver.

Yes, why do you ask? When it comes to character's death or literary lure to it, I'm on the side of letting them die, no matter how big the name or how it'd good to have them still alive. Of course the exception, as I said before, is when it's used for gag purposes, like Bon Kurei and his "Okamas don't die!" exclamation. How would you feel if those who died in Marineford would get the scenes they had but later they'd be like "lol, fooled ya, we're still alive!"? That's why I hope Sabo doesn't appear alive anytime soon, since it would strip his flashback of its emotional impact.

Yes, it'd be a bummer to not have Zoro around, but the scene could be used much later in the manga and just slap the reader with raw emotion instead of being a pretty scene that delivered too little.

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Dagoro

A shitty attempt at one. He is clearly dismissing all the set up and elements at play here which I won't go into again.

Really ? You too ?

Sigh...

Personal opinion, skipping that.

Apples and oranges.

Already confirmed dead by Oda.

No offense but you are looking at it in the same manner that Shrike did.

" Zoro no die, wut ? LOL !!! "

I won't repeat what that scene was meant to accomplish again, you can go back and read if you want. It also baffles me that you'd rather have a cut and dry character than what we got with Kuma.

With that I'm done with this topic.

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Shrike

Oversimplification? You are glorifying an event that had little to no value from a reader's point of view (unless the reader is a huge man child who is a sucker for cheesy friendship scenes). It was a waste of panels and manga space. Why? Because it didn't deliver the point.

Let me explain it to you - if a writer has a point which he wants the reader to see, there is a right and a wrong way to do it. In this case, if the theme was friendship, it did deliver. A cheesy thing of a theme that keeps plaguing many manga. If the theme was Zoro's sacrifice, it failed miserably. If the theme was how fucking tough this Zoro guy is, it delivered, but that also makes the writing retarded.

Edit : I am clearly dismissing all the elements of play? I actually smiled irl. I mean, seriously, how can't these people realize such an awesome writing in a kid's manga, they must be really stupid!! I mean, IT'S A FUCKING SENSATION to read that part. Made me cry myself to sleep.

Go play with your lego bricks now.