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I really don't need to jump any further into this discussion, as I am not debating just throwing in my two cents.. As you say in some regard yes Oda does not betray the power level parameters...but then again yes he does....So are you saying that Kizaru who is on level with Minato in terms of speed..but in terms of raw power he could and would destroy the SH's single handily. Is this to say the power levels are balanced or within reach? Luffy who's match with CC lasted what about three minutes? Then he blasted dude half way across the island? Or Law when he cut the mountain tops? We are at best now getting out of hand battles within Naruto. Wood Dragon, Juubi, Kurama, Hachibi blasts, Ultimate Susanoo..and freaking Particle Blasts....Madara's boast that if he and Hashi was there they would have remap the terrain....these are the outrageous moments within Naruto...Even Kakuza after getting impaled with Naruto's RS got slapped into a crater...(pretty understandable) but with OP it goes just a bit beyond comprehensible. Yeah Madara is flawed who would disagree? He is hella flawed...though not as flawed as Aizen who showed very little worry....Madara has already almost been defeated or at least sealed numerous times. Fact is when it comes to battle results...Naruto's fights are believable...yeah they can be predicted but that is because of real and true possibilities. With OP you can never really predict it because its so off the wall. Not that, that is a bad thing...its just their difference....Naruto to me has more of a realistic nature..

EDIT: yea I am not debating you as I said...I am giving my personal assessment of both mangas..
and yeah terrible argument if I was trying to debate. Couldn't focus on responding to your post as I was at work. So now I will touch on your reply.

My question is can Luffy win vs Kizaru in a one on one battle?.. You say that there isn't a huge power difference.....so is this why an entire generation damn near (rookies) are joining forces to take down the top brass..If it could be done solo Law would never had to team up with Luffy.. THus yeah there is a huge power difference. OP is a manga that decides the winner based on who has the greater DF/Haki. Not real skill but power.

The weakest were Moria, Jimbei and Boa Hancock, Kuma amongst the Shichibukai ...other than that I don't see any lowly pirate stepping to the others one on one.. OP is a manga that revolves around teamwork. Yes individual progress takes place but foes are usually against someone who has contrasting abilities. So I will ask you again, are the power levels within OP balanced? Can Luffy really handle Akainu or KiZaru? Will his his current power level allow him that stretch? Yeah Naruto fought Pain..seven individuals but sense was made of it. Not only that. Naruto really thinks and solves his problems. He has grown smarter and the fight against Pain was not a measure of power but more of tactic and strategy.

What I was referring to in regard to CC and Luffy's fight...one would expect a climatic fight...but it was grossly one sided and ended in a shocking smack all the way across the island damn near... What I am saying is its an area of disbelief. The expectations in OP are high due to the writing and outrageous action. As I said though its something non realistic. Come on now you're trolling if you yourself don't see OP as being over the top. Yeah OP is set to be an overwhelming manga in comparison to most. The action is just so fast paced and glorified.

Well you really said it all for me...In Naruto part one the most he did was transform into Chief Toad. After time skip biggest thing to date has been his transformation into the Kyuubi. The fights you mentioned within Naruto I mostly have zero issues with. Sasuke vs Deidara? Lightning vs Earth style? In which Lightning wins? Naruto vs Oro had to be the best and one of the most intense fights to date. Though in regard to the character I still didn't have an issue with it. As it something I woud expect. Idk as I said before....Naruto just has more of a realistic feel to me...

Dagoro

What exactly is wrong with that ?

Aokiji took them all on and beat them effortlessly, and the Admirals are all on the same level more or less.

...huh ?

Make sense please.

What exactly are you insinuating here ? That the power jump after 2 years of training doesn't make sense ?

Luffy was pushing apart buildings, lifting hills and other crazy shit before the TS. His progress after training with freaking Rayleigh makes perfect sense, unlike Nardo's results after training with Jiraya.

We never saw Law fight seriously in part 1, but since he was among the top 5 supernova his growth makes sense after 2 years of NW time and Shichibukai fuckery.

......Hahahahahahahaha!!!!

Pt1: Orochimaru vs Hiruzen, Sanin 3 way battle, Gamabunta vs Shukaku, Chouji vs that other fat guy.

Pt2: Gaara vs Deidara, Kn4 vs Oro, Deidara vs Sasuke, Jiraya vs 6poP, Nardo vs Pain, and the list goes on.

Your argument doesn't make a lick of sense. Over the top abilities are not detrimental to a series as long as they stay within the rules the author set, which Op does.

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Shrike

Really? So she can break Moria's neck and restrain Oars, but she can't break the neck of others who are mostly vulnerable to such attacks less they are a logia, as I already said? Good thinking. It's pretty stupid how Oda is handling her.

What's the point of it if it's just killer intent? It seems quite obvious that those are real limbs.

And also, most of those Naruto battles you mentioned up there didn't go out of control at all. Whereas in OP you can expect anything since Oda can do what he wants. Like make Law cut Vergo in one move and cut the mountain, but hey, it's all under control there.

Dagoro

You are one stupid motherfucker.

She made 1000 arms to restrain Oars, and quatro mano uses dozens of limbs to make bigger versions of her arms. Given the fact that was able to swing Enel's fat commander with a few arms those feats were well within range of what she should be capable of doing back then. As for why she doesn't just snap everyone's neck one should consider the strength and speed of the opponent since she is largely stationary when she fights, but you can't do that since you are such a moron.

As for her current abilities how about waiting for her to have a proper fight ?

Cough up some scans of them acting as real limbs, such as parring an opponent, then well talk.

Out of control ? Wtf are you talking about ?

We were discussing over the top abilities. All of those fights involved some land leveling tech, so bitching about it in OP is hypocritical.

Like every mangaka out there.

Luffy comes back from his 2 years of training capable of OHKOing the kraken under 3km of water and nearly destroying a island sized shit that can crash into rock formations without taking a scratch, while injured.

Considering that Law had 2 years of NW, became powerful enough to be invited into the Shichibukai, and was hyped as one of the top 5 SN his feat at PH, which was most likely a high end feat, not a casual one, makes sense.

Funny how you fail to understand these things, this is a kid's manga after all.

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Dagoro

Among the top tiers.

You contradicted yourself, moron.

DF and Haki prowess depend on training to hone the character's skills. Seriously, can you say anything coherent, at all ?

Kuma, Hancock and Boa among the weakest ?

Lol, ok kid.

*Le facepalm*

Yes, in order to engage a crew of enemies on your general level you would need a team to get it done.

You are brain dead. I suggest you read the MF war over.

............wow. You have no idea what TOP TIER means do ya ?



So losing to Pain, and having to rely on the Kyubi to bail his ass out by dropping mountain popping beams of death is not about power ?

Heavens, I've seen children make more sense than you.

You criticized OP fights for being over the top. All the fights I mentioned in Naruto were over the top. KN4 Naruto leveled an entire forest with a bijuu bomb, Deidara's attacks were basically mini nukes and his last attack were an actual nuke. Pain ripped a few mountains off the ground with CT, and flatten Konoha like a pancake. How is that not over the top ?

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NeoKakarott023

Well to be honest, its fair. He screwed over Sasuke to the point where Sasuke even says in the manga, 'Let me go ask others the truth', because with the flagrant personality shifts, he dosen't even know whom he is supposed to be, or what he supports, belivies in, or lives for anymore. The freaking spoonful of ink had to say it himself. A freaking shame. And I'm not a dummy, I understand that characters can evolve, or change. The art dosen't know its own goals, for a character thats been around since manga chapter 4?

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thibs

from a topic of naruto 616 to arguments to 2 very different mangas? im new and all but is this argument posted between 2 threads or is this just ppl coming to naruto JUST to argue the differences between the 2. oh and ya i didnt care to find the origin of why this came up but it makes no difference right?

were all nerds and all but really? this is taking things a lil too far....its like a damn cult or something. u insult a favorite manga of someone and they have to defend it like theyre whole existance is on the line..geesh