Rasenganja

No other Kage is holding a candle to hashirama or tobirama these were the last 2 full blooded Senju here, damn near the closest you can get to the original lineage of the rikkudo sennin.

We have never even seen too much of tobirama in action but the feats he is capable of are astounding it is only left to imagination what type of area his water release can consume..I would say we can compare it to the most skilled water ninjutsu we have seen in the manga that of zabuza or kisame so just imagine that amplified to senju chakra levels it would be fucking insane if hashirama created the forests i would assume tobirama created the lakes lol..

Then, throw t/s ninjutsu and genjutsu on top of that with chakra sensing abilities and the sword of the thunder god+ edo tensei.. Somebody is getting fucked up!! Minato could have possibly surpassed tobirama but that IF will always be present because he did not. Ill say he is more powerful than the third because he surpassed the old fart before he even died which is sad.. But hes not holding a candle to either senju he had trouble defeating a uchiha brat with a basic sg and hashirama cells boosting his strength.. 1 v 1 ad gainst tobirama he would pose a challenge but get fucking stomped in the end.. Yes he was talented at creating seals and found a loophole into t/s ninjutsu probably through the 2nds teachings but, without his precursors he wouldnt have even been half of the shinobi he was anyways.. IMO

kael03

Stop with the damn sword. That was anime only and is not considered canon.

DRAGONBPY

I think if used effectively, FTG can own Hashirama and Madara because no matter how strong you are if you can't hit your opponent you are useless hence I think Minato can smash Hashirama

Dagoro

FTG would accomplish nothing in a fight against those two unless some serious PIS is involved.

They are too durable to be hurt by Minato's pathetic arsenal, and they can deal with his teleporting grid with large scale attacks. Minato's durability is shit, so any mildly powerful tech would BBQ his ass, and outside of teleporting around he won't be getting the drop on these guys with his own speed.

He's nothing compared to these two.

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Numinous

@ myth:

Nor do Tobirama and Hiruzen.

Again, Tobirama and Hiruzen.

... and Tobirama survived an assault by two pseudo-jinchuuriki with artifacts from the RS himself, while Hiruzen was a geriatric and made Orochimaru run for his money.

.... no? He was a deciding factor for Konoha to emerge victorious against Iwagakaure, but you're forgetting Kumogakure and Sunagakure were also in that war and it's unknown how things went down with the other conflicts.

They're all Hokage, unless you missed the memo.

Hummm, along with not him inventing jack shit since he used a Uzumaki seal, he did not beat Kurama, he simply sealed it. If anyone was beaten in that battle, it was Minato with his torso skewered like a kebab.

So, in all truth, you're using your own personal bias to put Minato in a place way higher than what he deserves. I won't blame you completely, though, because Kishimoto hyped the shit out of Minato just to make Naruto look cool.

Just a final note and adding to Dagoro's point: Tobirama has a yet unknown (but I'm inclined to believe it's a Portal-esque jutsu based on what he was about to do in this chapter) T/S jutsu, so what the fuck would Minato do with FTG? Waste time dancing around the battlefield with Tobirama? Also Tobirama knows Edo Tensei and is a master of Suiton. Big whoop the Rasengan is against that.

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gizmox

Hey, finally we're gonna see what really happened at VOTE. Will you still stay with your theory that Mito helped Hashirama during this fight? What we see now is 2vs1 (Madara+Kyuubi vs Hashirama). Too bad 2-3 more chapters will shit your theory again. (Well Kishi always shit on your theory anyways)

The reason you're not still convinced that Hashirama>Minato is bec. you don't want to accept that after this VOTE match, this will prove that Senju>Uchiha.

Dagoro

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Numinous

Oh my fucking Cthlhu, I didn't even remember that tidbit of absolute delusion about Mito being in the battlefield! Seems we have a new game to play, after the huge success of "Where's Sakura?!", now we have "Where's Mito?!"!

Oh and, of course, that "death match isn't about people trying to kill each other" brainfart. Yes, Madara was SOOOO holding back that he had to pull Penultimate Susanoo and the Kyuubi's Bijuudama and he still couldn't get pass Hashirama's Wood. Oh, I can already hear the popcorn.

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gizmox

I'll wait his response if he's gonna stick with his theory. The f*ck Mito helped Hashirama? A lady suddenly emerge in a dark forest and casting jutsus? LMAO

This KYF dude always degrade Hashirama/Senjus over Madara/Uchihas. He really love Uchihas LOL


EDIT: I'm hoping that after all that is said and done, Hashirama knew that Madara is alive and intentionally let him live.

Numinous

Oh, trust me, he's sticking with his theory:

Because asking to prove a negative while relying on completely misreading a line is the way to go!

To be honest, I'd be embarrassed of being an Uchihatard after they were canonically labeled as mentally unstable by genetics. You can like any single Uchiha for whatever reason, but anyone liking the whole clan considering the last chapter strikes as someone who watched too many reruns of Moulin Rouge and likes people acting like psychopaths in the name of love.

That'd be rubbing salt in the wound. Me likey.

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gizmox

Then more fun for us, more laughs LOL


Damn, an Uchihatard in that forum, too bad i'm lazy to be part of a new forum and I'm content here.


I hope that really happens, Kishi made Hashirama an ignorant fool by cheating Madara's death, that will be a good redemption for Hashirama. (more slap in the face for Uchihatards)

MR VSU

so now that oro has a zestu body does that mean he has all the recorded battles like pain vs jman naruto vs pain and dam there any other battle he was suppose to be dead for i could see this as the reason y he doesn't want to destroy the leaf he has all ready seen it happened or maybe zestu had some other secrets im just not understanding the 360 in oro attitude y is he on sasuke's side now and how does he feel about jmans death after all they were teammates n he would still feel some type of way

does the 1st have the ability to record n show battles or is that a zestu-only ability

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Tmoore

hashirama doesnt seem like the type to kill because if he was kakuzu would be gone. if you notice he is very peaceful from my understanding the only reason they fought at vote was due to madara being butthurt on being passed for hokage

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kael03

He's still convinced Sasuke is a Jink without a visible seal or the ability to access the bijuu chakra.

gizmox

He said Sasuke a Jink? Damn its not a theory anymore, its an imagination already.