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Old 02-14-2013, 12:36 PM   #106
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FTG would accomplish nothing in a fight against those two unless some serious PIS is involved.

They are too durable to be hurt by Minato's pathetic arsenal, and they can deal with his teleporting grid with large scale attacks. Minato's durability is shit, so any mildly powerful tech would BBQ his ass, and outside of teleporting around he won't be getting the drop on these guys with his own speed.

He's nothing compared to these two.
LAMO, Gaara uses large scale attacks and do you think he could beat minato and nullify his speed... Fuck no!!! You are out of your mind times ten if you think tobirama or hashirama could do anything to prevent Minato from owning them with his speed...

Last I checked, Wood element jutsu have little to no effect on the current Kage... Yet somehow it will beat minato... Seriously, it's fun to purpose these little scenarios where strong shinobi will just not do what they do, but it stupid... You yourself said to rely on Feats and yet you are completely ignoring minato's while overrating tobirama's and hashirama's...

: Instant speed...
: Sage level rasengan attack...
: 3 Boss frog summons...
: 2 Sage from summons...
: Frog Song...
: Water and fire elements...
: Time space barrier jutsu...
: Seal skills beyond any other shinobi...
: Sensory ability...

Meanwhile hashirama is merely wood element, power, strength and defense... He is just another gaara using a different element to attack in the same exact manor... Large attacks meant to overwhelm the enemy... However, if they cannot even touch the enemy because he is too fast then what in the hell is all of his abilities good for... Nothing... That's what...


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Mito being there to seal the kyuubi and assist hashirama is not a theory you idiot... It is manga canon... learn to read before jerking off Failious like he has something to stroke about... LMAO, that guy will take w/e he can get when it comes to trying to discredit me... It's sad Honestly! He truly suffers from the worse butt hurt I have ever seen...

Anyways, it is not a theory, It is what the manga says...


See, I merely quote what the manga said... If it is wrong for some reason then that is the authors fault, not mine... Still, it is pretty blunt...
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:08 PM   #107
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Needed the room....

Anyways, EIther Kishi is plot weakening Madara or madara is truly holding back... Did no one notice not a single amaterasu or Tsukuyomi from madara even though he was in eye contact and in close range to use both... I can already see how this is turning out...

Madara will not use, but one jutsu the entire fight while hashirama hits him with everything other then kitchen sink no jutsu...
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You yourself said to rely on Feats and yet you are completely ignoring minato's while overrating tobirama's and hashirama's...

: Instant speed...
: Sage level rasengan attack...
: 3 Boss frog summons...
: 2 Sage from summons...
: Frog Song...
: Water and fire elements...
: Time space barrier jutsu...
: Seal skills beyond any other shinobi...
: Sensory ability...
Sorry, but lolwut? Minato hasn't shown a good portion of these abilities. He's only been shown using Gamabunta as a summon, so that's 1 Boss frog and 0 Sage frogs. He hasn't ever used Frog Song. Nor has he shown any elemental attacks (he never got to charge the Rasengan with his own (unknown) elemental affinity). As for the "seal skills beyond any other shinobi"...that one is still up in the air since we haven't really seen any other ninja use sealing techniques.
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Sorry, but lolwut? Minato hasn't shown a good portion of these abilities. He's only been shown using Gamabunta as a summon, so that's 1 Boss frog and 0 Sage frogs. He hasn't ever used Frog Song. Nor has he shown any elemental attacks (he never got to charge the Rasengan with his own (unknown) elemental affinity). As for the "seal skills beyond any other shinobi"...that one is still up in the air since we haven't really seen any other ninja use sealing techniques.
Lol, so minato who clearly has a contract with the Frog's cannot summon them nor the sage frogs... BS!!! Anyone with a contract to the frogs can summon either, Jman proved that...

By having the sage frog's for his weapons... He has Frog song genjutsu as well as Fire and water style jutsu for use... ANd since Minato has a huge chakra pool, he can obviously summon them...

You are trying to act like minato does not have these summons at his disposal... WHY??? You know anyone with a contract to the frogs and the chakra to summon them can summon them... SO then why???
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Sorry, but lolwut? Minato hasn't shown a good portion of these abilities. He's only been shown using Gamabunta as a summon, so that's 1 Boss frog and 0 Sage frogs. He hasn't ever used Frog Song. Nor has he shown any elemental attacks (he never got to charge the Rasengan with his own (unknown) elemental affinity). As for the "seal skills beyond any other shinobi"...that one is still up in the air since we haven't really seen any other ninja use sealing techniques.
Minato never was asked or went through Sage Arts Training from Toad, 1st was Jiraiya, Naruto was 2nd and last.
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Minato never was asked or went through Sage Arts Training from Toad, 1st was Jiraiya, Naruto was 2nd and last.
That has no bearing on minato's ability to summon and use the sage frogs in battle... He has the contract and the chakra to summon them so what is the problem with this ability, exactly???
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Nor do Tobirama and Hiruzen.



Again, Tobirama and Hiruzen.



... and Tobirama survived an assault by two pseudo-jinchuuriki with artifacts from the RS himself, while Hiruzen was a geriatric and made Orochimaru run for his money.



.... no? He was a deciding factor for Konoha to emerge victorious against Iwagakaure, but you're forgetting Kumogakure and Sunagakure were also in that war and it's unknown how things went down with the other conflicts.



They're all Hokage, unless you missed the memo.



Hummm, along with not him inventing jack shit since he used a Uzumaki seal, he did not beat Kurama, he simply sealed it. If anyone was beaten in that battle, it was Minato with his torso skewered like a kebab.

So, in all truth, you're using your own personal bias to put Minato in a place way higher than what he deserves. I won't blame you completely, though, because Kishimoto hyped the shit out of Minato just to make Naruto look cool.

Just a final note and adding to Dagoro's point: Tobirama has a yet unknown (but I'm inclined to believe it's a Portal-esque jutsu based on what he was about to do in this chapter) T/S jutsu, so what the fuck would Minato do with FTG? Waste time dancing around the battlefield with Tobirama? Also Tobirama knows Edo Tensei and is a master of Suiton. Big whoop the Rasengan is against that.
whatj you're doign is simply assuming about tobirama not one thing has yet to be shown as a fact that u've wrote.

master of edo tensei cool mianto is a master of the uzumaki seals those edo tensei shits are useless so please just stop with that shit fucking fodders have owned these so called god like shinboi in edo form.

suiton master cool hes done with b rank suiton and u call that a master again more assumptions out of your ass kisame has been the only shown so far to be a "master" of suiton and that did him no good sution and katon are useless techniques in this manga.

u know nothing minato yes he has a rasengan which can kill u instantly obito survived due to his cells from hashirama even then injured enough to admit defeat, tobirama has shown no durability i have seen anything in this manga that suggests it again more shit outta ur ass maybe i read that from another user so its no really addressed to u.

yes he sealed kurama he had enough power to do it to seal and split and seal apart of himself and his wife in his son.

yes he took on gin and kin and almost died cool story bro did u know darui owned them himself pretty so i guess hes far above tobirama right? lol please stop talking u accuse me of being biased while boosting opinions as facts and using long sentence to boost up otherwise minor feats in this manga shown of tobirama.

speed alone wins this for mianto if we were talking head on not to mention hes far more smarter then a hot headed moron who thinks hes the shit and gets put down by orochimaru.

correction tobirama does have a bloodline limit he has senju in him im sure he gets something from it as tsunade got her super power from the first also an assumption on my part though.

p.s. sorry for the shitty grammar mistakes i type way to fast.

fyi im not saying tobirama is weaker or vice versa imo i think hes nothing special iuo u think minato is nothing special but u for some reason use the little we know of tobirama to put him above mianto who has been praised far more than any hokage the only one in the same sentence was hashirama who had praise nobody else that alone should shut u up. after all kishi is the one wrote the stuff about hashirama being this and minato being that never once about tobirama or hiruzen

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Lol, so minato who clearly has a contract with the Frog's cannot summon them nor the sage frogs... BS!!! Anyone with a contract to the frogs can summon either, Jman proved that...
Never disputed that.

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By having the sage frog's for his weapons... He has Frog song genjutsu as well as Fire and water style jutsu for use... ANd since Minato has a huge chakra pool, he can obviously summon them...
He hasn't been shown to use them, so this is speculative at best. Not the chakra pool part, but the frog song and everything else.

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You are trying to act like minato does not have these summons at his disposal... WHY??? You know anyone with a contract to the frogs and the chakra to summon them can summon them... SO then why???
Not arguing that he can't summon them. I'm saying he HASN'T BEEN SHOWN TO HAVE SUMMONED THEM. What I listed from your list is your own speculation, none of it is canon. He hasn't ever shown the usage of Fire and Water elements.
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Welcome to KYF's Reel of Stupidity, where his craving for Minato's cock knows no bounds, today we have "Have something right and then have something else completely wrong!"

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ou yourself said to rely on Feats and yet you are completely ignoring minato's while overrating tobirama's and hashirama's...

  1. : Instant speed...
  2. : Sage level rasengan attack...
  3. : 3 Boss frog summons...
  4. : 2 Sage from summons...
  5. : Frog Song...
  6. : Water and fire elements...
  7. : Time space barrier jutsu...
  8. : Seal skills beyond any other shinobi...
  9. : Sensory ability...
2) So basic Rasengan is now "Sage level Rasengan attack"? The delusion!

4) How about no? Never was once hinted Minato underwent Sage training, so no Pa or Ma for him.

5) Again, no Pa or Ma, no Frog Song.

6) What in the name of Buddha makes you think Minato has access to Katon? And he only has access to Suiton via Gamabunta, Hashirama would just trap that big ol' frog and Minato would have squat on elemental jutsu.

8) Of course... if their name isn't Kushina... or Orochimaru... or Hiruzen... or Tobirama... or Kabuto... or Jiraiya...

9) No. Read Orochimaru's comment on Naruto's chakra. Even non-sensoring guys could feel his chakra, so Minato feeling it does not make him a sensor in any way, shape or form.

So out of 9 statements, you got only 3 right! Congratulations, you made an asshat of yourself!

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Meanwhile hashirama is merely wood element, power, strength and defense...
"Merely"? Dude, he has regenerating powers on the level of Tsunade (as professed by your boy-toy Madara), Mokuton is broken beyond belief and his strength and defense is what pretty much makes Minato's speed a non-factor. What good does speed to you if your attacks are like mosquito bites to the guy?

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Mito being there to seal the kyuubi and assist hashirama is not a theory you idiot... It is manga canon...
No, it's you being a moron who can't read. I honestly believe you'd read the Sermon to the Fishes by Padre António Vieira and say it's actually a sermon to fishes.

All that was said is that Mito sealed the Kyuubi after Hashirama got control of it. NOWHERE it is stated Mito was even watching the damn fight, much less participate on it or that the sealing was immediately after the sealing.

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LMAO, that guy will take w/e he can get when it comes to trying to discredit me... It's sad Honestly! He truly suffers from the worse butt hurt I have ever seen...
Oh, of course, it's not like you make an ass of yourself quite enough. Face it, you're an idiot and you're the one who has an aching anus around these parts. I'm seriously waiting for the end of the manga to see you squeal like a pig over how practically none of your inane theories was validated and for you to finally realize how stupid you were to waste so much breath on things that couldn't possibly be canonized. It'll be glorious.

@myth: congratulations on the point flying right above your head. You really thought I was fanning Tobirama? Oh, you poor idiot, I was just making you drink your own Kool-Aid, just switched around the characters. Minato is also nothing but hype and assumptions, but you guys blow him out of proportions to astronomically ridiculous levels. Yes, he's beyond godly with his speed, but guess what, speed ain't solving shit alone if he lacks any punch to his attacks. I could make a really long list of characters of Naruto and other Japanese franchises that Minato couldn't possibly defeat. And they don't even have to be über haxx to be so, they just need to exploit Minato's many, many weaknesses.
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Let's see now...

1. Minato teleports around the battlefield Hashirama uses his pollen of doom. Minato can no longer move because he's paralyzed. Advantage Hashirama.

2. Minato tags Hashirama & tries to stab him in the back like he did to A. Hashirama impales Minato by protruding wood from multiple areas of his body. Advantage Hashirama.

3. Minato uses Rasengan; Hashirama can catch Bijuudamas. Advantage Hashirama.

4. Minato summons a Toad; Hashirama wood dragons that biatch. Advantage Hashirama.

5. Let's say Minato does catch Hashirama with a Rasengan. Hashirama regenerates and the damage is nulled.

6. Minato stabs Hashirama with a kunai. Hashirama regenerates and the damage is nulled.

7. Minato catches Hashirama with DG. Worse case both die; however in order to pull off DG Minato needs to grab Hashirama putting Minato in range of being impaled by wood which doesn't need hand seals to create. Result repeat situation of Oro vs Sarutobi tug of war ending with Minato's death.

8. Genjutsu; Advantage Hashirama. Now let's say Hashirama opens with bringer of darkness Minato's response is to do what exactly?

9. Hashirama punches Minato in the face? Minato dies.

10. Hashirama splits the very earth apart using earth or wood styles totally changing the terrain. Minato's tags are all displaced removing the accuracy & speed advantage of FTG.
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9) No. Read Orochimaru's comment on Naruto's chakra. Even non-sensoring guys could feel his chakra, so Minato feeling it does not make him a sensor in any way, shape or form.
To be fair, Minato was capable of detecting shinobi by touching the ground like Tobirama. He may not be a sensor specialist, but he is a sensor.
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Never disputed that.



He hasn't been shown to use them, so this is speculative at best. Not the chakra pool part, but the frog song and everything else.
Minato has a contract with them and the chakra to summon them again, what is so hard to believe about minato being bale to use them??? There is no speculation, with a contract with the frogs and the ability to use the summoning jutsu... He CAN use any of the frogs including the sage frogs so there...

And Since minato can summon the frogs, then frog song can be used because the frogs use it, not minato himself... It is the same for naruto and Jman... They have the chakra and contract so they can summon and utilize the power and abilities or ANY of the frogs, including the sage frogs...

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If minato can Use the summoning Jutsu, has the power to summon them as well as the contract... Then Minato can summon the sage frogs. And they perform the frog song, water and fire style attacks as minato's weapons...

Just because minato has not summoned those particular frogs, does not mean he cannot... On the contrary, Minato obviously can because, yet again, he has the frog contract, power to summon them and the ability to use the summoning jutsu... So he can obviously use the sage frog's and their abilities in battle...

It is merely gathering the right amount of chakra and performing the summoning jutsu and there they are to fight for minato... Frog Song, Fire and water style... Brute strength attacks of frog fu and even more sensory abilities... Not to mention he cna have one of the sage forgs summon the rest of the frog's for battle...

WHich means it would be Minato plus both sage frogs (their abilities), plus all three boss summons (and their abilities) and the rest of the frog's and their abilities Vs Hashirama... ANd without the ability to control the frogs like he can bijuu, he will not be able to restrain them so easily... and with multiple summons... it would make it even more difficult...
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To be fair Minato should be capable of at least some form of sensory considering how FTG works. Minato would need to focus on a specific chakra signature (within the tags) in order to port to that location. So at the very least he should be able sense his own chakra that is placed within the jutsu-shiki markers he's created.
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To be fair, Minato was capable of detecting shinobi by touching the ground like Tobirama. He may not be a sensor specialist, but he is a sensor.
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To be fair Minato should be capable of at least some form of sensory considering how FTG works. Minato would need to focus on a specific chakra signature (within the tags) in order to port to that location. So at the very least he should be able sense his own chakra that is placed within the jutsu-shiki markers he's created.
Both debatable, but I do agree they have their validity. So maybe I should rephrase it to "he MAY be a sensor but, even if so, doesn't seem to rely on it as heavily as other sensors".
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again i find myself reading dumb pointless arrangement's there on the same side so them fighting is stupid now minato vs madara is something that might actually happen you know to protect his son not some hokage battle

they were all the strongest of there time thats y they were made hokage it really doesnt matter who would win in a fight they all die for wat ever reason
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