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Old 08-30-2013, 10:49 AM   #91
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Not tryin to start but you have to remember the seconds edo tends I was incomplete. Oro built off his and made it better and kabutos built off oro so the edo tensei we see now isn't what the second had. Shadow clones yea he made that but he made SHADOW clone jutsu not all clone jutsu the shadow clone jutsu is forbidden also. U still hve mud clones, water clones, rock clones, ect. Isn't the shadow clone jutsu just a better version/ diff cersion those? If that's so then people have seen "clone" jutsu before just not "shadow" clone rite? So that's nothing too huge either. Idc who you are anyone in this manga except maybe the first. The rite 20 ppl will kill anyone
The thing is, like the majority of the jutsus in the Hokage scroll were apparently created by Tobirama. Now if Tobirama was this genius (which is what Kishi is making him out to be), then that means that group of Kumo shinobi were badass, or Kishi shat all over Tobirama with that aspect... And I'm leaning on the shatting, because he's done it to every respectable character he's had thus far.
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Old 08-30-2013, 10:54 AM   #92
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Great chapter, Narutos doing his thang, but for all the fanning, please be aware that THE Uchiha, Sasuke has yet to truly begin. It's a given that Edo Madara, or Obito won't perish until Sasuke advances to Rinnengan, just saying.

On the 20 shinobi can kill anyone, I call bullshit. That's stupidly general, because were talking the Cloud Village specifically. If the 2nd Raikage, Ao, Killer Bee, Ginaku, and Kinaku, were at least some of the shinobi there, maybe we could talk, but that wasn't the case. Understand as great as Tobirama has been, he's the greatest water jutsu user in the whole manga, and he hasn't opened his mouth to produce a drop of water. He's also tha smartest shinobi currently on the battlefield,, and the only one the understood that Obito was negating all ninjutsu. I wonder how 20 combined on they're best day of life was equal to Ridoku Obito. Also since he supposedly perished on that day, Tobirama has learned nothing new since then, he's had everything from the current battle, except being an Edo. For those who want to add Omoi, or Darui, or any of those other Cloud Puppies, shut the freak up.
Yea I hear you but u know what's crazy? It happened. I said the rite 20 can kill anyone and it's true. The second got killed by 20 bounty hunters. I'm saying I can see that happening because of wat I said. That's all just speculating on how he got killed. There's no debating 20 shinobi offed him and like I said me personally I can see that happening

J_h I can see where your coming from he has done it before

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Yet, can be killed by a simple kunai... SPpppppppppppppppppp *thumbs down* Minato wins!!!!
This is the dumbest shit ever. Yeah Minato can die from a kunai and so can everyone else. Naruto almost died from Sakura's poison kunai. The cause of death no matter how lame does not to equate to their level. You can't even say Minato is stronger because you have no facts at all stop fanning.

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Sorry, it takes minato already holding back from guilt and having his kunai defense to fail against perfect Juubito level shinobi just to TOUCH him... thus hashirama is not going to touch him!!!
Guilt? Really now? He's trying his hardest to correct his mistake. Usually when you're guilty you try to repent or undo what happened. =/

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minato is the superior kage obviously. when it comes to striking, SPEED>POWER all day everyday...
How stupid are you? Speed does not beat power all the time.
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This is the dumbest shit ever. Yeah Minato can die from a kunai and so can everyone else. Naruto almost died from Sakura's poison kunai. The cause of death no matter how lame does not to equate to their level. You can't even say Minato is stronger because you have no facts at all stop fanning.
Minato does not have regeneration abilities. And needs a shinobi the level of current Juuito just to hit him with it lol...

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Guilt? Really now? He's trying his hardest to correct his mistake. Usually when you're guilty you try to repent or undo what happened. =/
Your really going to argue what Minato should be doing while feeling guilty. Why should mInato NOT hold back due to his guilt of "NOT being able to save Obito back then", thus trying to save him NOW trying to TNJ him as opposed to just killing him?
This is the exact same thing that happen with kakashi. And not until minato lets it go and resolves himself to Kill Obito, he will never be able to perform at his best just like with kakashi.

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How stupid are you? Speed does not beat power all the time.
WHen it comes to striking, SPEED is far more effective then POWER. Did you forget about perfect cell vs super trunks. Trunks powered up way beyond even cells power level yet due to his lack of speed was no match for cell.

Therefore, not matter how much power hashirama can produce, if it cannot hit mInato then it is no more dangerous then a nerf gun. And without the ability to defend against Minato's speed and a KUNAI is enough to kill him. What do you think is going to be the out come if the two fight.

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Re: Naruto 644 For Real Ya'll

Ha, ha, ha, really? This ain't a boxing match. Also, I'm willing to bet the 1st isn't slow with handsigns. If you want to play it that way, Minato would have to wade through a damn forest the first created to even find and tag the 1st, meanwhile, the 1st can go hide, enter Sage Mode, and get the jump on Minato before he even realizes what happened. Minato's good, but the 1st simply has more tools and means to dispose of Minato as the woodland is completely at the 1st's fingertips. Also the 1st would know how adequately gauge Minato's bodyflicker, he's no fodder. Fights don't often start face to face with only a couple of meters separating them.
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Ha, ha, ha, really? This ain't a boxing match. Also, I'm willing to bet the 1st isn't slow with handsigns. If you want to play it that way, Minato would have to wade through a damn forest the first created to even find and tag the 1st, meanwhile, the 1st can go hide, enter Sage Mode, and get the jump on Minato before he even realizes what happened. Minato's good, but the 1st simply has more tools and means to dispose of Minato as the woodland is completely at the 1st's fingertips. Also the 1st would know how adequately gauge Minato's bodyflicker, he's no fodder. Fights don't often start face to face with only a couple of meters separating them.
Don't bother. KYF thinks Minato's dinky knives makes him invincible. This is the kid who said that the Flash, the fucking Flash, was too slow in comparison to Minato.
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Minato does not have regeneration abilities. And needs a shinobi the level of current Juuito just to hit him with it lol...
=/. He does have regen abilities it's just Obito nullified it. All because he is prevented from regen doesn't mean he lost the ability.

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Your really going to argue what Minato should be doing while feeling guilty. Why should mInato NOT hold back due to his guilt of "NOT being able to save Obito back then", thus trying to save him NOW trying to TNJ him as opposed to just killing him?
This is the exact same thing that happen with kakashi. And not until minato lets it go and resolves himself to Kill Obito, he will never be able to perform at his best just like with kakashi.
A sensei's duty is to guide their students to te right path and should they stray from it they are to be eliminated for the good of the world. Same shit happened with Jiraiya and Nagato, he was ready to kill him but couldn't, wanting to do something and actually doing it are two things. You act like he's holding back, even if(keyword) he was, what diff would going all out make? You suggesting the fourth Hokage can fight on par with Obito as he is now? Give me a break.

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WHen it comes to striking, SPEED is far more effective then POWER. Did you forget about perfect cell vs super trunks. Trunks powered up way beyond even cells power level yet due to his lack of speed was no match for cell.
If I recall correctly Gohan didn't even reach ssj2 yet and when Cell pissed him off enough he transformed then kicked his ass. Anyways DBZ analogy is stupid to use in a series where power level equates to speed. Basically the bigger power level has better attributes and auto wins.

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Therefore, not matter how much power hashirama can produce, if it cannot hit mInato then it is no more dangerous then a nerf gun. And without the ability to defend against Minato's speed and a KUNAI is enough to kill him. What do you think is going to be the out come if the two fight.
If you can see through Minato's little knife tricks, a shinobi has a way greater chance of beating him. I bring this up because no matter how much speed you have, if your opponent can react and create a defense you're basically done. Hashirama even has a stronger body than normal not to mention he's had way more experience than Minato(he was a leading fighter in the great war for fuck's sake.) If you think he can beat Hashi with just speed you better stop fanning like a retard.
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Oh boy, another Minato vs Hashirama debate and KYF is still on those delusional "killed by a kunai" and "Minato can't be touched" arguments. Still waiting on Minato vs Cúchulainn that doesn't come with "derp, i don't know him, derp" even after I gave all the abilities.


Shouldn't we do the rational thing and laugh at dem photoshop skills by KYF? I'm crappy at PS, but damn, KYF, that was an eyesore.
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Re: Naruto 644 For Real Ya'll

Harashima manage to defeat Madara with MS + Kyuubi on his own. And now he's holding up against Madara 2.0 with wood release and a rinnegan.

The thought of Minato even standing a chance against the first makes little sense to me. The fact that Harashima and Madara surpass all other ninjas in this manga is made pretty clear.

The only debate here is if Tobirama is at their level or not.
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If only Madara was less butthurt and would join Hashirama in a fight against Obito. Those two plus Minato, Naruto, Tobirama and Shikamaru would be beasting and feasting on this juubi guy. I purposely excluded Sasuke cause he's shown to be quite useless imo.
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Harashima manage to defeat Madara with MS + Kyuubi on his own. And now he's holding up against Madara 2.0 with wood release and a rinnegan.

The thought of Minato even standing a chance against the first makes little sense to me. The fact that Harashima and Madara surpass all other ninjas in this manga is made pretty clear.

The only debate here is if Tobirama is at their level or not.
Hashirama and Madara are the strongest ninjas for now but Kishi's going to obviously make Naruto and Sasuke stronger. It's been leading to this outcome a LONG time ago.

Besides, I don't understand the whole idea of arguing over power levels in manga :S Especially on Naruto where the power levels are never kept constant and the writer fails to stay on his word. For example, you remember when Orochimaru summoned the 1st and 2nd to fight the 3rd? If it were the same 1st and 2nd from right now the third would have died almost instantly. Instead the fight lasted long. I think at that time Kishi didn't have the whole "Hashirama's OP and was the strongest ninja to ever be alive" at that time.
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Yea I hear you but u know what's crazy? It happened. I said the rite 20 can kill anyone and it's true. The second got killed by 20 bounty hunters. I'm saying I can see that happening because of wat I said. That's all just speculating on how he got killed. There's no debating 20 shinobi offed him and like I said me personally I can see that happening

J_h I can see where your coming from he has done it before
That's my point, the 20 werenot named, but from what we have seen, they must have been as equally strong as the Cloud ninja I named. So much for they're greatness, an obvious farce.
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Power level of full power Kyuubi, creates a buddha the size of 10 Kyuubi's, revered by Madara Uchiha and is a god of the shinobi from the war area...
So far, so good.

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Yet, can be killed by a simple kunai... SPpppppppppppppppppp *thumbs down* Minato wins!!!!
A kunai? Really! When has anybody but fodder ninjas been killed by kunai's in this manga.

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and having his kunai defense to fail against perfect Juubito level shinobi just to TOUCH him... thus hashirama is not going to touch him!!!
Juubito and Hashirama have 2 completely different jutsu lists. How can you paint them with such a broad brush as if the result would be the same.

On the topic of Minato's kunai failure, I was reminded of a very similar incident. Anybody remember when Team 7 (with Yamato and Sai substituted) had their first reunion with Sasuke!?!?!?
This is the right way to block the attack.

Oh, look. Let me use my kunai.
LOL, you're doing it wrong.

So in terms of tactical sensibility, I guess this means Sai>Yamato! Since Minato made the same flaw Yamato did, then Sai>Yamato. [rage]





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Minato does not have regeneration abilities. And needs a shinobi the level of current Juuito just to hit him with it lol...
Guess what? Hashirama DOES have regenerating abilities. Even greater then what Tsunade can do, and she's survived being impaled by tree trunks and being severed in half. So how is that little kunai going to kill him again.

Also I love how you think Minato will magically dodge all his wood jutsu, when he can form giant Bijuu sized Buddhas in a fraction of a second without much effort. you want to make this a battle of speed attacks. Lol, okay. Listen again closely. Fractions of a second.

Not to mention the wood techniques can appear from the very ground Minato walks on. I don't care how much he FTG's around the place. Eventually he'll run out of energy and stop. Then it's game over. That's what any good fight really comes down to in the end. Stamina and chakra. Minato barely had enough chakra to seal half the damn kyuubi with his own wife keeping it locked down for him. Hashirama keeps the kyuubi on a leash solo, and even said he has more chakra then Kyuubi, Minato, and his retarded ass son combined. That's okay though. Keep fapping towards your favorite character, and ignore reasoning altogether.





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I had forgotten about that. Faster than the flash....hahaha.
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I'll just leave this here.




Unlike Minatoe's ass which needed mass preparation to teleport a few thousand at most, the Flash ran back and forth transporting 500 thousand people by carrying 1-2 at a time away from the blast zone, and that ain't even close to being his fastest speed.

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Hashirama and Madara are the strongest ninjas for now but Kishi's going to obviously make Naruto and Sasuke stronger. It's been leading to this outcome a LONG time ago.

Besides, I don't understand the whole idea of arguing over power levels in manga :S Especially on Naruto where the power levels are never kept constant and the writer fails to stay on his word. For example, you remember when Orochimaru summoned the 1st and 2nd to fight the 3rd? If it were the same 1st and 2nd from right now the third would have died almost instantly. Instead the fight lasted long. I think at that time Kishi didn't have the whole "Hashirama's OP and was the strongest ninja to ever be alive" at that time.
Tis why we generally don't argue about it because we don't actually care. Most of us accept the logical conclusions that the manga supports. Some don't. Not naming names. That'd be why arguments like this ever happen.

P.S. You and MrBIG should keep doing what you're doing because yeah this is like actual participation in the forum activity which is good. Woot.
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