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Old 10-01-2013, 08:26 AM   #31
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Re: Why Tobirama and Hashi>>>Minato.

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Meanwhile, Hashirama could not even survive a Kunai stab lol, yet he will survive one the level of Minato's...

So in this fascinating world of yours, who is more durable, Minato or Hashirama? Minato’s stabbing power with a kunai is so weak, even after stabbing Tobi in the STOMACH, Tobi didn't even YELP. But against Hashi that will be fatal. You also dont get what that scene was about. If Hashi decides to kill himself with a kunai, and decided not to heal from the wound, he dies. However, a simple kunai stab will NOT kill a man whose healing is famed. Get the difference?


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LMAO, Hashirama is on another level in POWER, but his physical speed/reflexes are average kage level... However, SPEED>Power when it comes to striking which is WHY Minato can and would beat him...

You think Minato is so great don't you? You think he has the highest reflexes when in actuality, he is fodder without ftg. Madara has incredible reflexes and the almighty sharingan and Hashi kept up with him with no problems. Minato at NO stage in his fight with Obito, get the better of him using his famed reflexes. He didn't outspeed him or bamboozle him with his reflexes. It was FTG that made him the winner.


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And Tobirama has zabuza water jutsu, weak edo tensai if he can even use it as well as pathetic FTG compared to even Minato's level 1...

Tobirama is by FAR more accomplished than Minato whose only notable and ORIGINAL ability is the rasengan. His son already showed him how sub standard his rasengans are and Minato doesn't even have SM. Tobirama meanwhile invented 3 of the most feared and dangerous techniques of all time and without Minato COPYING him and using FTG, I dare say even Neji would beat him.


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So much so he was killed by 20 fodder shinobi... and even one shoted by V1 Juubito... Yet he is on another level, I mean even hiruzen was not one shoted by V1 Juubito lol...

Thankfully we are at the end cos my head is starting to hurt reading some of your arguments. Remind me again which Edo hokage has one arm and has being useless and needed saving in the last 10 or so chapters...
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So in this fascinating world of yours, who is more durable, Minato or Hashirama? Minato’s stabbing power with a kunai is so weak, even after stabbing Tobi in the STOMACH, Tobi didn't even YELP. But against Hashi that will be fatal. You also dont get what that scene was about. If Hashi decides to kill himself with a kunai, and decided not to heal from the wound, he dies. However, a simple kunai stab will NOT kill a man whose healing is famed. Get the difference?
1). hashirama<Double hashirama clone body Obito that fought Minato in durability easily... Hashirama has no durability Feats while a zetsu clone has taken two point blank shots from sakura and was barely scathed, still conscious...

2). In this word called naruto manga that shows Minato's kunai striking power is so high when he struck the hachibi tentacle he not only cleaved that thing in two as well as smash it into the ground so hard it created a small crater...

Plus hitting double zetsu body Obito so hard he knocked his fucking hand the rest of the way off... while stabbing him and breaking his sealing contract...


So tell me how Minato's kunai striking power is weak compared to what...??

3). FIRST: hashirama cannot control his automatic healing LMAO, that what automatic means...
SECOND: Hashirama's healing is not FAMED, WTF!!! Madara merely said that hashirama and tsunade (while using genesis rebirth) share the same ability of automatic regeneration, not needing hand seals... Meaning Hashirama's body like tsunade's while in GR automatically heals damage received, but clearly not beyond the level of organ damage which is why hashirama CAN die by a Kunai strike to the mid section...

SO many hashi wankers took Tsunade having the same ability as hashirama as hashirama's healing=tsunade's while using Genesis rebirth and 100 jutsu... Execept that is not what was said... ONLY THAT HASHIRAMA AND TSUNADE WHILE USING gr HAVE THE SAME ABILITY... tHE ABILITY TO AUTOMATICALLY HEAL DAMAGE TO THE BODY, NOT THE LEVEL OF HEALING HASHIRAMA HAS IN COMPARISON TO TSUNADE...

It's so very simple...
: Hashirama's body automatically heals damage to the body...
: But cannot heal organ damage, thus his attempted suicide with a kunai to the mid section despite having automatica regeneration like Genesis rebirth...
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Hashirama can heal pretty much any external damage, but internal damage of the organs is not something his ability can heal... Proven by his suicide...


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You think Minato is so great don't you? You think he has the highest reflexes when in actuality, he is fodder without ftg. Madara has incredible reflexes and the almighty sharingan and Hashi kept up with him with no problems. Minato at NO stage in his fight with Obito, get the better of him using his famed reflexes. He didn't outspeed him or bamboozle him with his reflexes. It was FTG that made him the winner.

1). LMFAO, Madara could not even compete against V1 Raikage dude!!! And sasuke was able to out perform him lol...
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Shows that Madara's physical speed/reflexes are no better then CS2 Juugo since his reaction and speed were almost identical against the exact same level of raikage too, V1...

And yet even SM hashirama is no faster or reactive with his reflexes then madara, who could nto even keep up with V1 raikage LOL...
However, Minato, with his level of super reflexes/physical speed coupled with the FTG was easily able to track, react, dodge and counter plus more reactions of physical movements in the Instant it takes v2 raikage to move a couple feet with a shushin, leaving V2 Raikage helpless against his level of speed reflexes...
Proving that Minato's reflexes/physical speed>>Hashirama's, since he and Madara are even in that category...

2). even without the FTG, Minato's physical speed and reflexes are so high, he could still compete with high level's using ONLY his shushin which is so fats the disappears and reappears...
Shown here:

as well as beat the other hokages, including hashirama to the battlefield by 30 seconds because his shushin is so much faster then his... Again, showing a huge difference in reflexes/physical speed for minato beat a guy with 20x more chakra then him with a SHUSHIN...

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Tobirama is by FAR more accomplished than Minato whose only notable and ORIGINAL ability is the rasengan. His son already showed him how sub standard his rasengans are and Minato doesn't even have SM. Tobirama meanwhile invented 3 of the most feared and dangerous techniques of all time and without Minato COPYING him and using FTG, I dare say even Neji would beat him.
1). LAMO, so yea, tobirama is a great inventor, but a shit kage level shinobi in comparison to minato and hashirama... And without the FTG, Minato could still beat tobirama due to his shushin speed to easily blitz tobirama with his low level water jutsu, nonexistent edo tensai and very low level FTG...

2). feats do not lie, the guy died against 20 fodders while minato was strong he had to kill himself after putting a whoopn' on double hashirama clone body Obito with his kamui hax+the Kyuubi...

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Thankfully we are at the end cos my head is starting to hurt reading some of your arguments. Remind me again which Edo hokage has one arm and has being useless and needed saving in the last 10 or so chapters...
I will remind you that tobirama and hashirama's wood clone that is supposed to be strong by your argument got one shoted by V1 Juubito, the level Juubito that minato and his clone brushed off a speed spin kick attack while busy focusing on his new jutsu too...
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PROOF THE SAME SPEED THAT OWNED EVERYONE ELSE (TOBIRAMA, HASHI CLONE, KYUUBI POWERED NARUTO AND EMS SASUKE) MINATO AND HIS CLONE EASILY BRUSHED OFF WHILE BUSY FOCUSING ON USING THE NEW JUTSU TOO... SHOWING THEY WERE OFF GUARD AND STILL BRUSHED IT OFF AND YET YOU WANT TO ARGUE SPEED/REFLEXES AND EVEN STRENGTH FOR MINATO... KEEP IGNORING THE MANGA...

And then was left off balance by a failed kunai defense coupled with already holding back not trying to hurt his former student which was enough to lose an arm against a shinobi that is>>SM hashirama after all...

And due to V2 Juubito's new power, speed and control, he negated the ET of Minato's so he is missing an arm to a far superior Juubito then what utterly owned tobirama and hashi clone in a single attack...

I mean, at least Minato was left off balance with his arm hanging out after his Kunai defense failed because no one knew that the sage staff was made of 5 element chakra, thus Minato lost that arm while tobirama and hashi clone were still and ready for an attack and still could not avoid it, just got owned easily by a V1 Juubito who is easily<V2 Juubito...

So yea, Minato is missing an arm because without it, when he went Bijuu mode, this fight would already be over with Juubito... i mean, Minato is so strong that he has to be weakened to such a level as one armed and holding back against his former student just so he does not make everyone else look like shit...
Clearly you should be paying attention to that part... not wanking Tobirama's fail and overrating hashirama...
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Old 10-01-2013, 01:22 PM   #33
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Re: Why Tobirama and Hashi>>>Minato.

I still love how he insists that no hand signs = automatic regeneration. That's like saying Naruto automatically forms a rasengan when he holds up his hand, or Itachi/Sasuke automatically cast Amaterasu when they have their mangekyo activated.
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Lol so wait Minato invented Ftg, decades AFTER Tobirama used it? Lol ok bro..
Never said that keep up the strawman...

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There is one TINY difference between ftg 1 and 2. 1 is teleporting to a marked position and 2 is teleporting to a thrown/moving kunai. That's all! Please don't make out the difference here is something signifficant. Tobirama hasn't being shown ftging using kunai's, but to claim he couldn't do so is so illogical. If the 2nd decided to teleport to a moving kunai that is already marked, what will stop him from doing so?
The difference between moving to a STATIONARY tag and a moving a is a BOG difference... the level of skill, sensing and FTG activation is increased dramatically to focus on a moving target to activate the FTG and catch to use for combat yey you think it ther is LITTE Difference...

Keep believing that...


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What Minato did, Tobirama can do. Clearly explained in the manga, the mechanism of FTG etc etc. In the narative Minato teleports the army USING Ftg. Tobirama can do the same exact thing USING Ftg. That's the point my friend.
Sorry MU, Tobirama can ONLY teleport ONE thing at a time with his Hirashin skill proving further that minato's level 1>>Tobirama's...


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Funny you omitted the FACT that it was a combo jutsu involving Minato AND Naruto.
uuum, Mr gump. Minato did the teleporting while naruto made their chakra the same so Minato's chakra was with everyone, thus able to teleport them all...
point is, Mianto can teleport away and entire army while tobirama can ONLY teleport ONE thing at a time as he admitted...

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What Minato are we talking about here, edo KM Minato or non edo Minato? If its the latter then you damn well Minato in life had NO such abilities or feats of teleporting things away without direct contact. Oh and btw, what will happen to Tobirama when he teleports him away? Lmao
Oh really, read the damn manga geez!!!

Minato showing that by ONLY touching something (gamabunta) that is touching his target the Kyuubi which is touching the bijuudama, Minato CAN teleport them away and leave the thing touching them as shown here:


PRVING TELEPORTATION THROUGH INDIRECT CONTACT WHICH IS SOMETHING ELSE TOBIRAM ACANNTO DO WITH LEVEL 1 FTG...

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Hold on hold on, reflexes on a par with v2 Ay?? Oh the blasphemy. Cmon man, that's NOT what the manga said or hinted. It compared Minato's reflexes to v1 Ay, not v2. You can't bring v2 into this, lol a speed so fast the sharingan couldn't see, dodging ama at close range and shit. Could base Minato and his 'super reflexes' dodge ama from that same distance WITHOUT Ftg?
Dude, Minato fought V2 riaage and dodged his FASTEST Attack, TWICE, while also reacting many times and moving many times in the instant it takes V2 rai to shushin a couple feet shown here...


"he dodge my FULL Speed" Proving he is in V2 mode... IMO, the cloud head protector was holding down his hair, thus why it was not sticking up like when he is not wearing one in V2 lightning armour... But facts are facts! Rai's FULL speed is done in V2 lightning armour, thus that is what Minato's prove dhis own physical speed/reflexes at...

PROVING MIANTO'S REFLEXES/PHYSICAL SPEED ARE ON PAR WITH V2 RAIKAGE TO TRACK, REACT MANY TIMES AND PHYSICALLY MOVE MANY TIMES... ALL IN THAT INSTANT OF RAI'S SHUSHIN A COUPLED FEET TOO.

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So I beg you stop exgerratting Minato's reflexes, incredible as they are. Because the truth is, when v2 Ay charged at Minato, had he NOT used Ftg, Ay blitz him. Minato WITHOUT Ftg is Minato on fodder level.
LAMO, Minato has to have the super nervous system just to TRACK what a not even a SG can see, plus super reflexes to REACT to lob up a Kunai for Level 2 FTG while activating a Kunai 20 feet away, then reacting again to activate the Level 2 thrown Kunai to teleport back to raikage, the grab the Kunai with both hands, then sense the ahchiabi tentacle, then kick the raik out of the way and dodge, tag and cut the tentacle... ALL IN THE INSTANT V2 RAIKAGE SHUSHIN'ED A COUPLE FEET...

Nothing is exaggerated, Minato's Feat of his reflexes and physical speed is obvious against the fastets shinobi beside minato...


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You don't get it do you? Tobirama invented Ftg and his use of it combined with another one of his signature techniques, multi kage bushin, makes his by FAR superior than Minato and his kunai's. Don't you see it?
LMAO, yet Minato also used a kage bushin with the FTG like tobirama did against Juubito... and minato can also taijuu kage bushin with his chakra level as well... Meaning they can both use the same tactics with the FTG, but Minato's skill with even level 1 is way beyond tobirama's coupled with kunai tags makes minato's>>>tobirama's easily...

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This Ftg 2 jutsu got you confused and I'm struggling to understand why. I mean on the real, why do you think the 2nd can teleport to a moving kunai marked with his formula? Honestly, why do you assume this is hard or beyond a space time user who TELEPORTS to any named location?

The space time barrier is a DEFENSIVE technique which is USELESS in this thread.
1). It's simple, tobirama cannot use something he has yet to show... And since he cannot even use FTG level 1 very effective I do not see how he could possibly use another level... Makes no sense...
And tobirama cannot teleport to any NAMED Location... WTF are are you talking about... Cread the manga, you are arguing fanfiction again...

2). It was used for defense the same as kakashi's yet can Obviously be used offensively as well, just like kakashi's... So not it is not useless in this thread, you just do not want to bring up something 2 level's beyond what your favotire character can do IMO...

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Wow. So now Minato can do the multi kage bushin like Tobirama (the inventor) and Naruto? And you know this because your the co author right? Obviously every shinobi can do a shadow clone. I'm talking about the multi shadow clone that the 2nd invented and ONLY him and Naruto can perform.
LMAO, Last I checked, tobirama could Only produce 2 KB's!!! And minato created Only 1 because that is all he needed... However, his chakra level is even beyond base naruto and can use kage bushin already, thus can obviously use just as many as naruto if not more...

Not sure why you are arguing whether Minato can do something his even weaker base level son can... ridiculous...

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And so the madness continues. Pray tell, how the hell do you know Izuna was tagged and the 2nd just ftg'd to him to kill him? Answer, from your vivid and illogical imagination. The scan shows Tobirama charging past Izuna having already slashed him with this jutsu yet you intrepret that as him being tagged and then slashed. Your descriptiom don't tally with the scans.
OMFG, are you serious... It is FACT that Tobi ONLY has level 1 FTG which requires him to TOUCH the enemy with no Kunai tags to use... And thus, it is clear that tobirama's HirashinGiri was a level 1 FTG followed by an immediate sword slash attack which Follows THROUGH the opponent which is why he ended up behind him dingus...

I mean, how in the hell could the FTG allow you to cut the enemy while you are teleporting to end up behind him... that is just stupid dude, come on... it brings you to a destination which would of HAD TO BE right in front of Izuna due to the limitation of the FTG...
So after that, a sword slash technique was used...
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People live relying on they're Knowledge and Perception, and thus are bound to them.....
Those Boundaries are what they tend to accept as "Reality".....
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Let me ask you a question, when Naruto perfected the rasengan, did that render the original rasengan weak and useless? Whether you admit it or not, the manga makes it blatantly clear that Oro and Kabuot perfected it BUT the original was nevertheless still a potent and feared jutsu.
OMFG, the manga clearly and concisely states that ORO Perfected ET, and tobirama ONLY created it... And since PERFECTION increase the POWER of the edo's, having NOT perfected ET's means WEAK shinobi... Even weaker then what Oro created the first time with the hokage's...

This is so simple, do nto try to rationalize it, IF, and I mean IF tobirama COULD actually use the edo tensia jutsu, then the edo's would be very WEAK, even weaker then the already perfected version that fought hiruzen... SO just accept it... You misunderstood the manga...

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You clearly think Minato is some sort of god when in reality, compared to powerhouses like the Senju Bros, he aint shit. Without FTG Minato is probably Jouuin level and gtfo with his super reflexes. He needs FTG incorporated with his reflexes or he gets knocked out time and time again. Now the 2nd is an AMAZING sensor as the manga showed and his reflexes are top tier. Nothing suggests Minato has superior reflexes to the person he COPIED.
OMFG and the DELUSIONS Continue...
FIRST: Minato easily tracks (not even a SG can do) then reacts many times to V2 raikage while tobirama and his brother are no faster or reactive then Madara who could not even COMPETE against V1 raikage LMAO!!!
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Minato was able to easily brush off the speed spin kick attack from V1 Juubito that utterly OWNED everyone else including tobirama LMAO and you still think that tobirama's reflexes are top level and Minato's are not...

Keep up the delusions!!!

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Rofl, you mean the same ONE arm Minato who was blitzed by v1 Juubito ( getting carried away with all these v1's dont you think?). Or the same Tobirama who TAGGED Juubito and did what Minato hopelessly failed to do in this whole encounter, namely, land a hit on Juubito!
You truly are delusional!!! It took V2 Juubito to take Minato's arm PLUS a failed Kunai defense... Meanwhile a SIMPLE attack from V1 owned tobirama LMAO whiel Minato an dhis clone brushed the same level of attack off while busy focusing on their new jutsu too...

And Tobirama had to get OWNED just to TOUCH V1 Juubito, then used the same tag to teleport a Bijuudama that Minato was already going to do himself, but mInato let the CLONE take it instead...
Thus, a tobirama Kage Bushin=1 armed minato grabbing something with the opposite arm LMAO...

Wow, tobirama is so great!!! too bad he could not beat those 20 fodder shinobi...

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Sigh what are you talking about here? How is Minato's rasengan stronger than odama rasengan (said to make a moutain hollow) and SM rasengan? Minato's rasengan one and only strength feat is melting Zetsu's arm lmaoo yet suddenly that makes it stronger than odama rasengan!!
Minato's basic rasnegan destroyed obito's and his battle field while an oodama's crater as well as a sage double rasengan was much smaller shown here:


Proving the destructive power of Minato's basic rasengan>an Oodama and even double sage rasengan from naruto...
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People live relying on they're Knowledge and Perception, and thus are bound to them.....
Those Boundaries are what they tend to accept as "Reality".....
However..... Knowledge and Perception are both ambiguous....
so "Reality" could be nothing more....
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I still love how he insists that no hand signs = automatic regeneration. That's like saying Naruto automatically forms a rasengan when he holds up his hand, or Itachi/Sasuke automatically cast Amaterasu when they have their mangekyo activated.
wrong against dunce cap...

The FACT that tsunade's AUTOMATIC Healing Made madara realize that SHE had the SAME ABILITY as hashirama is what Proves it you jackass... Healing without the use of hand seal's is just his description of the ability...


But, the comparison was brought on by the ACTION of seeing tsunade's body AUTOMATICALLY Heal itself, there being not hand seals used...

And funny you compared ninjutsu and doujutsu to Medial ninjutsu... much less Genesis rebirth and hashirama's own natural form of it... Keep that dunce cap on, you deserve it..
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MINATO "KYF" NAMIKAZE.

People live relying on they're Knowledge and Perception, and thus are bound to them.....
Those Boundaries are what they tend to accept as "Reality".....
However..... Knowledge and Perception are both ambiguous....
so "Reality" could be nothing more....
then an illusion....


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The Bros. own Minato... THEY'RE SENJU, Sorry for those whom don't like it IT MATTERS. By the end of this War, it'll be obvious that only Edo-Madara, Obito Sage, Naruto, and Sasuke are in they're league, city, neighborhood. Others may have flashy tricks that may keep them alive for a limited time, but if ANY of these 4 comes after you for real, its a fucking wrap.
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Oh god not this shit again.

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No one thinks minato is stronger then tobirama or hashimara except KYF. How does this topic always come up. KYF only ends up reposting his same tired flawed arguments.
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Minato is the strongest entity in manga, off of speed... watch out. He'd merc everything from God Bills, Zorc, Aizen, name the Boss, it won't matter.
Keep crying because you all you have is whinny Claims while I can Prove Minato's superiority vs the Senju Bro's...

And anyone who is absolutely DUMB ENOUGh to believe that Tobirama>Minato then you have gone full on retarded... Apparently you forgot that tobirama could not even beat 20 fodders to survive and his greatest feat is mortally wounding a MS and SG'less BASE Izuna in the middle of a war...
I mean come on... minato fucking owned a double hashirama clone body Obito with his Kamui hax+the Kyuubi... had a couple of draws against V2 raikage and Killer B without even showing intent to fight..
And it took V2 Juubito's level plus a filed Kunai defense and already holding back not to harm his former student just to be TOUCHED for the first time in battle..
And v1 Juubito's speed and power that was owning everyone (tobirama, hashi clone, hiruzen, sasuke and Kyuubi powered naruto) minato was the only one to defend against it, brushing it off like it was nothing while busy focusing on his new jutsu too so he was off guard...

And V1 Juubito>hashirama, by hashi's own confirmation, thus V2 Juubito>>hashirama, which it took with other circumstances just to TOUCH Minato for hte first time in combat for crying out loud...

The Problem with hashirama is he is a shit load of power, little SPEED!! BY his speed feats vs Madara, he cannot even compete with V1 Raikage...
And Minato is a shit loud of speed with little power...

So it comes down to Speed VS power... And when it comes to striking, SPEED is more effective... SO Minato is able to willfully apply his jutsu vs hashirama who lacks the speed to apply them making all hsi power completely negated...
And since a simple Kunai to the mid section is enough to Kill hashirama, Minato with his low level destructive force is irrelevant...

Thus it comes down to Minato who ONLY has to TOUCH or Throw a KUNAI Tag right by you to Kunai blitz you while having the ability to avoid ANY attack from hashirama Vs Hashirama not even being able to TOUCH Minato with his jutsu which completely negates his power advanatge coupled with his inability to even track much less react to defend himself against Minato's level of speed that not even the V2 raikage to react to defend himself so how in the hell is hashirama who cannot even compete at V1 riakage level in speed/reflexes...

Obviously Minato will win... There is NO WAY that minato is not going to TOUCH or throw a Kunai tag by hashirama before he runs out of chakra... With the help of Kage bushin and his v2 speed/reflexes plus the FTG to apply that touch too...

And as for Tobirama, he shit feats say enough... Tobirama was killed by 20 fodders and barely beat a MS and SG'less base Izuna in war while Minato had to kill himself for plot reason after owning double hashirama clone body kamui hax OBITO+Kyuubi...
And nothing short of the Juubi JINK Rikudou sage level power/speed plus a failed kunai defense along with holding back for obvious reason is what it takes just to TOUCH Minato for crying out loud...

Yet fail senju tobirama who could not even overcome 20 fodder or beat anything more then a BASE Uchiha without even the use of the SG or his brothe rhte home depot kage that is unable to even touch Minato while Minato ONLY has to Touch him or throw a Kunai tag right by him to blitz him and beat him...
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Old 10-01-2013, 03:43 PM   #38
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Re: Why Tobirama and Hashi>>>Minato.

Look, you god damn broken record, no where has it been stated that hashirama's healing is automatic. The only thing said about it is it is on a level beyond Tsunade's and requires no hand signs. Once she turned on her byakugo, and started healing herself, did Madara say it was similar to Hashirama. But, guess what, the healing wasn't automatic! She had to will it to turn on. No hand signs, just mental focus. I can think of 6 jutsu that have the same damn set up: Rasengan, Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Susanoo, Kotoamatsukami, and Kamui.

Unless you have an actual panel that explicitly says hashirama's healing is permanently on, shut the hell up.
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Re: Why Tobirama and Hashi>>>Minato.

You guys are all wrong.

If Hashirama is greater than Minato, why is Yamato *WHO IS A CLONE OF THE FIRST* weak??

Can't explain that.
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You guys are all wrong.

If Hashirama is greater than Minato, why is Yamato *WHO IS A CLONE OF THE FIRST* weak??

Can't explain that.
It's called shatty plotlines that Kishi seems to have completely forgotten about. Yeah, that about sums it up.
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You guys are all wrong.

If Hashirama is greater than Minato, why is Yamato *WHO IS A CLONE OF THE FIRST* weak??

Can't explain that.
He's not a clone. He's a watered down remake. He admitted that he wasn't anywhere near the level of power that Hashirama was.

A better question would be: if Minato was so much better than Hashirama, why is no one drooling his jizz to get stronger?
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Re: Why Tobirama and Hashi>>>Minato.

KYF inhales propaganda and spouts it out at a record pace, what a true believer.
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Re: Why Tobirama and Hashi>>>Minato.

Remember when Tsunade was stabbed in the chest by Kabuto(pt 1) and she activated mitosis regen jutsu? Yeah it's not automatic.
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Re: Why Tobirama and Hashi>>>Minato.

I lost interest the moment he said Hashirama has no durability feats. Lmao I didn't realise I was in a debate with a simpleton, more fool me. Skimming through the nonsense of a rebuttal, I see that you used and highlighted a scan where Tobirama says 'Hiraishin can only teleport one per user' and of course as you do best, read it as meaning ' I Tobirama can only teleport one at a time'. Lool the very next sentence evn makes it clear that this maxim applies to BOTH of them but your too far gone to even understand a SIMPLE statement.

At this point its pointless to continue and try and debate with you. Who knows, maybe you'll realise your talking shit and come with a better argument. Here's hoping....
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Re: Why Tobirama and Hashi>>>Minato.

Namikaze clan is the unknown bastard son of the Sage that's why he can even outmatch the two clan in history right ?
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