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Old 11-06-2013, 08:08 AM   #16
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Jeanricuser, you clearly forgot chapter 640. It's not Zetsu pulling this shit (specially considering his Zetsu part doesn't even cover the head, much less the brain to pull tricks like these), it's Obito himself (or rather, his subconscious) doing it.
First of all, http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/604/8 confirms that its got a consciousness of its own. The zetsu share a hive mind and as this episode confirms its very much intelligent. You have also forgotten some simple facts. All the bodies of the ones trying to convince him to stay alive are part zetsu. Two the half zetsu rin seems to act completely unlike Rin which Obito notices. Three Obito's zetsu cells are not like the hashirama cells. These have a true consciousness all their own unlike the Hashirama cells in Danzo which were just implanted but rebelled when Danzo didn't have the necessary power to control those cells. Obito on the other hand has a zetsu which is an entity unto itself which can take on a number of different functions.
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Old 11-06-2013, 08:18 AM   #17
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I honestly didn't like this chapter because it invalidated so many chapters that came before and how this all ended or soon is going to end.

Edo Madara must be the most incompetent villain in the world unless he holds a trump card, because his plan was just smashed to pieces as Obito lost the tnJ war with Naruto.

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Best part of the chapter was when Obito fakes Naruto out and chokes him... That's all I got. This chapter was just all over the place. Kishi has dug himself in a hole but instead of getting out of it, he just keeps digging; maybe he's aiming to strike oil or something. The farther Kishi takes this, the harder it will be for us to be convinced he isn't chewing on shrooms while thinking of a way to end the manga.
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Old 11-06-2013, 09:13 AM   #19
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What a shitty ending for this long ass fight
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The only good thing about this chapter was the last line and the fact that Naruto remembered the love needed to fill a jinchurikis heart
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Old 11-06-2013, 09:52 AM   #21
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First of all, http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/604/8 confirms that its got a consciousness of its own. The zetsu share a hive mind and as this episode confirms its very much intelligent.
Reread that part again. The Zetsu was referring to the Spiral "I don't poop" Zetsu, not the Zetsu tissue Obito already had. There's nothing that indicates the latter isn't more than what it is, tissue.

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You have also forgotten some simple facts. All the bodies of the ones trying to convince him to stay alive are part zetsu.
No, they are Obito, or did the bottom panel evade your attention?

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Two the half zetsu rin seems to act completely unlike Rin which Obito notices.
Ambiguous evidence. That also makes sense in the subconscious context, conjuring what Obito would like to hear, not what is realistic.

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Three Obito's zetsu cells are not like the hashirama cells. These have a true consciousness all their own unlike the Hashirama cells in Danzo which were just implanted but rebelled when Danzo didn't have the necessary power to control those cells. Obito on the other hand has a zetsu which is an entity unto itself which can take on a number of different functions.
  1. You are yet to prove his Zetsu tissue is more than tissue and isactually a full-fledged Zetsu.
  2. You argue from ignorance when you say Hashirama's cells in Danzou's arm were just implanted. Nowhere in the manga said when they were implemented, so they could be more recent or even older than Obito's tissue implant.
  3. You talked about organ rejection, I pointed out what that entails and you just ignored to imply it doesn't apply. Moving those goalposts like a boss, are we?
Just a thought, why would Zetsu even bother to do all of this? It hasn't been harmed, so what is its objective? Why wouldn't the Juubi pull this dreamlike shenanigan considering it was the one who got shredded into pieces? And more importantly, why the fuck doesn't it compute to you that Obito could very well done this to himself in an attempt of resisting Naruto's TnJ and continue his plan? It just doesn't make any sense to me Zetsu being the responsible considering he is a non-issue for tens of chapters.
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Old 11-06-2013, 10:02 AM   #22
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Re: Naruto 654

The best part of the chapter was Rin's crazy face. However instead of actually going somewhere with it he didn't and the entire chapter turned into utter shit. No really the entire chapter was utter shit. Kishi even dedicated two pages to show the entire shinobi alliance taking a massive dump. Shinobi constipation much? 1 out of 5.
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Re: Naruto 654

While reading the chapter (especially the first several panels) I was like GLORY HALLELUIAH!!!!! And then finishing the chapter I was like... *yawn* I really had a glimmer of hope.
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Naruto sucks, the whole village knows it from the look on their face.
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What the hell is wrong with so many of you? Kishi has set up Obito's redemption for so many chapters now and coinciding it with his defeat against the entire shinobi alliance to show the power of many can overcome even the power of a god is a good defeat...

Obito had to achieve his goal to become a sage of six paths in order to be redeemed because without out it, Obito would not have awakened feelings of old to hold onto himself in order to take control of the juubi's power and would not have been able to link with naruto thus give naruto the ability to uncover his feelings of old he hides deep to use to awaken him.

I hear allot of "shit chapter", "horrible outcome"... Then tell me what should have happened because it seem to me that you guys are bitching that it did not go exactly how you preferred it to... and what is the likeliness of that for any story...

We all knew it would be some form of talk no jutsu that did it, but it was combined with his actual defeat at
the hands of the entire shinobi alliance who Obito declared war on in the first place so I think the defeat and redemption was done quite well...
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Re: Naruto 654

There were like three pages of decent and then the rest went to shit. Had to snicker at the scanlators' awful word choice yet again. "JUST COME YOU ASSHOLE" indeed.
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What the hell is wrong with so many of you? Kishi has set up Obito's redemption for so many chapters now and coinciding it with his defeat against the entire shinobi alliance to show the power of many can overcome even the power of a god is a good defeat...
So a utterly sappy and borderline nonsensical TnJ involving a tug-of-war with 2 pages dedicated to everyone's face in the crapper against a 30 year-old who is still sighing in the corners over his teen crush who died 17 years ago is a good defeat? Seems legit.

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I hear allot of "shit chapter", "horrible outcome"... Then tell me what should have happened because it seem to me that you guys are bitching that it did not go exactly how you preferred it to... and what is the likeliness of that for any story...
Wow, you're stupid. There's a huge difference between things not going your way and things going rotten and you have to be a dimwit to not know what it is.

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Just because it was expected doesn't mean it was good. On the contrary, it managed to be worst than expected.
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You want to know what would have made this chapter? As Naruto punches Obito and is reaching out for him with Rin... Obito begins to cough up blood violently. Scene switches to the real Narutoverse where Hashirama has stabbed Obito with a lethal blow and then the next panel shows Madara standing behind Hashirama, both with Rinnegan eyes.
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It was shit, plain and simple, poop.
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