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Old 12-19-2013, 09:14 PM   #31
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Its just downright disappointing that Sasuke, with his EMS, that has already stabbed this Dude, just sat and watched the last 2 chapters...

Its just downright disappointing that the Kages, after getting they're asses handed to them, have not enough beef in they're bodies besides Gaara, to try to do FUCKING SOMETHING.

Its just downright disappointing that the Hokages have thumbs up they're asses, and Harashirma's in need of a fucking healing, treatment something.

Its just downright disappointing that Orochimaru's help has ended, and he just watches, this ain't any Oro I ever knew, IN THA LEAST HE'S TALKING SHIT.

Its just downright disappointing that Kakashi is being expected to do so much with a borrowed eye...

I'm disappointed enough to stop for now...

Btw, if Madara's using Obito's eye, why not give him Kamui as wll, fuck he has everything else.
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Old 12-20-2013, 12:23 AM   #32
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Hey now, KYF read a joke, processed the joke, realized it was a joke , and added to it. I applaud that! I was expecting a lecture on how the ass and eyes don't work that way, but was pleasantly surprised.
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@Neo

Plot stupidity is at an all time high in this manga. As for people doing nothing, lol poor Sarutobi. The old man didn't do shit since summoned.
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Old 12-20-2013, 05:34 PM   #34
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Don't forget Sakura in the useless department. From the time she showed up in this fight she declared she was just as useful as her teammates and then basically said "I'll go stand over here healing random fodder while you two do all the important stuff!".
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How low can Kishi go? Tune in for the next chapter to find out!!!

Kishi addressing issues in his manga is like a city covering pot holes with blankets.
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still no idea what happened to doing a prediction thread but here goes



Jericho Prediction

Naruto 661 “Let’s Talk”/ 662 “opportunity”

Suddenly we are in the room of the 4th Hokage from 17 years ago. Minato and Naruto appears via FTG.

Minato, “Naruto…”

Naruto, “If you want to give me a heart to heart about you and mom leaving me or putting Kurama inside me, just save it.”

Minato, “hmm?”

Naruto, “I already had a great talk with you and mom, thanks to the chakra you left behind, so let’s just get back there, ok?”

Minato, “no…”

Naruto looks confused.

Minato, “I didn’t bring you here for that. I brought you here to give you a gift.”

Naruto, “a gift?”

Minato goes base mode, “I need you to unlock my seal since I have only one hand. You need to make Kurama complete again. But my gift to you is not that, it is out legacy.”

Naruto, “our legacy?”


Back at the battlefield we see the Bijuu still in chains. Gaara is attempting to aide them.

Sasuke is firing arrows at Madara but he is dodging them.

Madara, “you have the EMS but you have no idea the true power of it.”

Sasuke, “your words mean nothing to me, you are the reason the Leaf distrusts the Uchiha. The real reason my brother had to be labeled a traitor to save it!”

Sasuke in Susan’oo, tosses several black discs at him surrounding Madara in a ring of black flames.

Madara unphased, “Your brother, an Uchiha and as such I do not doubt he was very skilled. Maybe he was even praised for his ninja prowess.”

Sasuke, “what of it?”

He forges a sword for each Susan’oo hand and jumps over the flames to be inside the ring with Madara.

Bee, “ with your anger be careful, his words are an ear full.”

Madara, “If he died in anyway trying to protect the Leaf then he, is scum!”

Sasuke charging with Susan’oo, “what!?”

Just before he gets to him Madara looks at him with his RG.


Over with Obito/Zetsu and Kakashi.

Obito is fighting against Zetsu trying to stop his hand from removing the RG.

Zetsu, “you are pathetic, just give it up.”

Kakashi, “Obito, I must do something. But before I do…”

Obito, “just do it, no time for sentiment, I am glad…will finally see Rin again.”

Kakashi changes to MS, a small swirl appears.

Zetsu, “hey what are you doing?!”

The Kamui is enveloping the RG.

Zetsu you fool sending there means nothing I will just use…”

Sploch!

Obito removed his SG eye. Kakashi sends that to the Kamui dimension as well

Kakashi, “I am the only one that can reach that dimension now, Zetsu!”

Zetsu leaves Obito, resulting in his collapsing .

Sasuke is now being held by his throat by Madara.

Madara, “you seemed surprised, your Susan’oo may have been complete but I know the secrets to the Susan’oo, child. I offered you a chance to be beside me as an Uchiha, but it seems I will be the last, it will be up to me to rebuild it better than it ever was.”


Sasuke is slowly fading but has a slight flash back of promising to rebuild the clan. Madara throws him down and picks up Sasuke’s dropped sword. He is about to kill him when…

Suddenly, “ Rasengan…” Naruto appears from nowhere upper cutting him with a rasengan. Sending Madara strait up.

Many Naruto’s appear in unison around him in the air, “…clone..”

They all strike him with a rasengan form different sides.

He falls with his body completely damaged but smoking as the Hashirama cells try to heal him.

Sasuke, “what the? How did he…?”

Minato appears, “I taught him my true purpose of the FTG, rasengan and Shadow clone techniques.”

From behind, “rasenshuriken Barrage!”

Several mini Rasenshurikens impact him then expand.

Minato, “to protect everyone by becoming a one many army.”

As they impact him Naruto grabs Sasuke and disappears, then appears over by Bee.

As all the smoke clears Madara gets up slowly, “I can ..not…be...stopped!”

Naruto, “That wasn’t to stop you.”

Madara, “what?”

Another Naruto appears in Bijuu mode coming down on the Gedo Mazo, “big Bijuu Rasengan!”

Gaara protects the Bijuu with a sand shield from debris. The chains snap and they are released.

Madara, “Nooo, you are a petty nuisance!”

Hashirama, “He is the future Hokage.”

Tobirama from beside him, “He is a member of the Leaf.”

Minato, “He is my son”

Voice from off screen, “and our friend!”

The Mizukage, Raikage and Tsuchikage are back.

Zetsu approaches Madara, “the statue is bit damaged, but also it seems that the RG has been lost.”

Madara, “what? Then bring me…his eyes!”

He points at Sasuke.

Suddenly Zetsu has his neck snapped from behind by Orochimaru.

Oro, “sorry those eyes have been spoken for”

Madara looks at everyone then over to Obito lifeless body and the Gedo Mazo, it vanishes unsummoned.

Madara, “Well then, I guess now you want me to give up?”

Orochimaru, “come now I didn’t saw that…”He grabs the Hashirama face and absorbs it into his possessed Zetsu body.

Everyone is shocked.

The First ,Second, Third and Fourth Hokage, eyes darken and join Orochimaru by his side, with Madara on is knees weakened and injured.

Orochimaru, “Do not worry, I still have no interest in a war, but I am not going to see the potential for an valuable opportunity go to waste.”
Tsunade, “Orochimaru!”

Orochimaru is being marked by the second as he is talking, “Sasuke, when you brought me back I said I didn’t have the power to take your eyes…things have changed.”

They all disappear via the 2nd Hokage.

Naruto is standing there quiet.

Everyone is upset.

Raikage, “If we have to find him!”

Tsuchikage, “no way we can deal with this right now!”

Mizukage, “we must get the Bijuu out of here.”

Sasuke, “Naruto?”

Naruto looks at the battlefield, sees all the dead ninja. Looks at the Bijuu. Looks at Kakashi carrying Obito over to them.

Kakashi puts him down and places his old Leaf village head protector over Obito’s face.

Naruto, “we do what Orochimaru is going to do. We heal, rebuild, and get stronger!”
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Nice prediction but I hope it doesn't come true, no offense. Tht's offerring a continuation of the Naruto fuckery.
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This manga has strayed to far from its initial concepts and has become a DragonBall Z clone with an overwhelming number of active characters.

Where are the Ninjas?
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660 and beyond

Madara: Now then…Time to take back what’s rightfully mine.

Naruto: Kuh!

Bee: !

(Tobirama, Sasuke, the wonder chunin and some fodders express their shock at what they‘re witnessing)

Tobirama: Shit! At this rate they’ll…Kid, (speaking to Sasuke) can you still fight?

(Sasuke is visibly exhausted, panting heavily)

Sasuke: Yeah… *unsheathes sword*

Tobirama: Heh! The kid’s got guts, he’s at his limit but he’s still raring to go.

Tobirama: Good! But we’re not going to be able to do this with guts alone! Kid, your arrows!

(Sasuke instantly goes into Susanoo mode, locking on to the gedo mazou chains. Just as he pulls the arrow back he coughs up blood, falls to his knees and his susanoo disappears)

Wonder chunin, fodder shinobi, Tobirama: !

Tobirama: Tch!

Kiba: Heh! Looks like you’re not so special after all! Akamaru, we’re up!

Darui: Count me in too

Temari: Me as well

Tenten: There’s more where that came from!

(Tobirama smirks)

Tobirama: These kids…

Kiba: Garouga!

Darui: Laser circus!

Temari: Chou Kamaitachi!

Tenten: Kunai parade!

(A thick cloud of smoke covers the battlefield)

(The scene changes to the place where Minato, Kakashi, Obito and Zetsu are at.)

Minato: Shit! Naruto’s in trouble but if I leave now, Obito will…

(Kakashi, as if he were reading his Sensei’s mind says “don’t worry, I’ll handle things here. Go!”)

Minato: Kakashi…(his mouth curls and he gives a wry smile before vanishing from the battlefield)

(The scene changes back, the cloud of smoke has cleared. The barrage of attacks were ineffective)

Madara: Hmph! How naïve. Your attacks lack precision and the destructive power necessary to break these chains. A puny effort like this will not suffice. Now, return to your owner like the obedient pets you are!

(The Mazou statue rips the bijuus out of Bee and Naruto)

(The scene briefly changes to Naruto’s subconscious, Kurama‘s presence is slowly beginning to fade. Everything starts to go white.)

(The chains attached to Naruto and Bee are unfastened and both of their bodies are left to drop from mid-air. Just as Naruto is about to fall to his death, Minato breaks his fall and catches him in his arms.)

Naruto: Ku..ru..m-ah! (suddenly everything goes black and a shadowy kyubi-like figure appears in Naruto’s subconscious)

???: Yo, finally you get to meet the other side of me.

(Naruto is awoken to a tap on the head and is greeted by Minato, who no longer possess his Kyubi cloak)

Naruto: (Groggy-eyed) Dad… (Out of the corner of his eye he sees a distraught Raikage cradling his dead brother)

Madara: All preparations are nearly complete, all that’s left now is-

Black Zetsu: (Opens his hand) this eye, right?

Alliance: !?!?!

Minato: Kakashi…Obito…

(The scene briefly switches to a despondent Kakashi, who’s being pinned down by several white Zetsu’s)

Obito: White Zet..su..s sp-ore.. Ju..tsu (Obito passes out)

(The scene reverts back to Madara)

Madara: And now, my plan enters its final phase.

(Madara’s body begins to transform, similar to Obito’s juubi transformation but his skin is smoother. If that makes sense to you lol. With his staff in hand he casts a nonchalant gaze at the moon)

The perfect body

The perfect eyes.

The perfect Jinchuriki.

A sage is born!

End.

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Did anyone notice that Madara hit Guuiki or whatever the eight tails is so fucking hard he knocked the other motherfucking horn off!

Plus if the 8 & 9 tails are extracted Bee has to check out. I mean he is not an Uzumaki or Senju so he should die like Gaara did.
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Old 12-24-2013, 04:41 AM   #41
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Go look at page 15 of the last chapter. 8 tails showed up with the other horn broken. That blow didn't do it.
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Go look at page 15 of the last chapter. 8 tails showed up with the other horn broken. That blow didn't do it.
Thanks I guess I just took notice of it. My friend said it got knocked off by the black thing so I'm assuming he's talking about Obito in God mode.

Looking back on his whole arc I liked his intro or reveal I should say. Then we got to see his plan work he became the jinchuriki for the ten piece chicken nugget. He broke the moral of the alliance and had the Hokage scratching their heads but what defeated Obito was plot. He had to make way for Madara and his full strength revival and two eyes. Once Zetsu takes that eye he will give Kakashi his other eye and then we will have an eighties montage with how Obito will continue to see through Kakashi.
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So kael is committing not one, not two, but three fallacies for saying something factual, that your response in no way was relevant to what he was saying?! KYF, I didn't know the truth was a pit of fallacies, thanks for the insight.

So let's analyze the conversation between apocalypz and kael, shall we? First, apocalypz said this:


To which kael pointed out:


apocalypz tried to clarify the issue:


And kael rightfully pointed out that apocalypz didn't say that initially (my guess would be apocalypz not using proper wording that would convey what he meant)


And here's what you replied:



Tell me, oh wise one, how the flying fuck is this of any, ANY relevancy on whether Nagato knew or not how to use the Rinnegan? None, you just started rambling on about something that wasn't even the point of kael's post.
Kal said and I quote which I replied to... "You said he lacked knowledge in how to use it. That's not the case."

To Which I pointed a couple logical reasons that show he clearly did lack knowledge on the RG he wielded and that was my only argument which you have just blown out of proportion as usual...

So tell me, oh wise one, how many lifeless narcissists perfectionist does it take to blow a simple difference of opinion out of proportion...


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So please respond to the following questions:
  • How is kael begging the question in the last post he made if it lacked circular reasoning, the foundation of the such fallacy?
  • He argued with an assumption, assuming I claimed this number of people more then himself which he portrayed as "WE", did not read my Posts, showing no proof of the claim... thus argued with an assumption for one of his propositions so how can you not understand exactly where the "begging the question fallacy" was committed?

    For your enlightenment: "The fallacy of petitio principii, or "begging the question", is committed "when a proposition which requires proof is assumed without proof"

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  • How are you NOT committing a non-sequitur by providing an answer that doesn't match at all the question made?
  • WHat question made? How is this a question exactly: "I always love how KYF argues we don't read his bullshit, when he does the same when trying to counter my post."

    Question is why he answered my reply with nothing more then fallacies... And since I did read his post an replied, he is not making any logical sense to make such a red herring argument...

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  • How is kael committing the "two wrongs don't make a right" fallacy if he doesn't even allude to two wrongs, but only one (being it the irony/hypocrisy linked to your post)?
  • SO you did not notice that he assumed that I did not read his post, thus he did not read mine and merely answer my counter post with a fallacy ridden reply...

    For your Enlightenment: "This is an informal fallacy that occurs when assuming that, if one wrong is committed, then another wrong will cancel it out."

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  • How are you NOT committing a naturalistic fallacy by saying that only by fully knowing how the Rinnegan came to be and all of its properties can someone use it properly?
  • 1). How is what you said even fall into the category a "naturalistic fallacy"???
    A NATURALISTIC FALLACY=According to G. E. Moore's Principia Ethica, when philosophers try to define "good" reductively in terms of natural properties like "pleasant" or "desirable", they are committing the naturalistic fallacy.

    2). I never claimed the lack of knowledge of where it came from and it's properties caused the user to NOT be able to use the RG "properly", ONLY that Obito's LACK of Power/stamina made it so HE not nagato, could use the RG Properly like how NAGATO used the RG ...

    CONCLUSION:
    If you actually READ my reply to Kal and did not just glow it out 0f proportion you would KNOW that I never claimed that the lack of knowledge made it so nagato could not use the RG "Properly"... ONLY that madara, with his superior knowledge of the RG, has already shown the ability to do things with the RG that nagato did not with use of susanoo 1-4, the Yin/Yang creation jutsu that created the Zetsu from hashirama's cells as well as the new technique RIMBO HENGOKU...
    Not to mention that Nagato did not show the ability to use susanoo of any level, bijuu control using the gedo mazo or Izanagi of the sage much less the SG Izanagi/Izanami makes the argument that the lack of knowledge of the RG's Origins and properties does seem to make a difference in proficiency with the doujutsu, the Rinnegan...


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  • How is kael placing a red herring in his last post if all of it contributes to a single argument, that you do exactly what you criticize others of doing?
  • How are you NOT committing an argument from repetition by insisting on that damn bullshit of Izanagi creating anything even after being refuted to hell and back and Izanagi not being relevant at all for almost an hundred chapters?
1). I read his argument and clearly refuted his claims as well as opinions and nothing more!!!
All he did was use an assumption that I claimed all these people, which he referred to as "WE", did not read my posts, then I went and did the same which is not what happened at all...
It was nothing more then an excuse to not reply to my counter post due to the destruction of his previous argument, irrefutably...

I read his post, answered each one accordingly and did not ignore any of it...

2). Your Committing a Begging the Question Fallacy by using an assumption of refuting ANYTHING about the Sage's Izanagi/SG Izanagi (which you did not) as a proposition without any proof of your assumption.

3)). I am not committing ANY fallacy by bringing up the FACT there is 2 known Izanagi's (Sage's Yin/Yang Version that brings IMAGINATION TO LIFE and the Uchiha's SG/Yin Version that Turns reality into an Illusion for a brief Moment at the Cost of the users SG eye). ANd that Madara knows both obviously while nagato showed no knowledge of knowing either version.

You just claim fallacy for Anything these days, Numious! It is getting sad buddy... Especially since they do not even apply to the arguments you claim they do in actuality, beyond the Literal interpretation of the fallacies which is not how they are to be interpreted obviously...

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Please, KYF, don't insult my intelligence by not knowing the least bit of what you're pretending to say and accusing others of a cascade of fallacies when you're the one barfing them out.
You speak Irony then spew this ^^^ Jewel of Hypocrisy... Keep up the good work buddy...

The Whole point, of your pointless attempt to defend you buddy, was to do nothing more then to blow two of my counter post way out of proportion while ignoring the lack of reason in Kals post/repost, while trying to nit pick any little point to try and show lack of reason that is Only lacking in the delusional world where Proof<Assumption/s and your Opinion=Fact...

Again, Keep up the good work... Merry Christmas, happy Holidays or w/e...
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My hat is off to you good sir for a fine argument indeed. Just to throw in an added bonus....


Kael also said:

To which KYF regrettably retorted:
It is clear as day that the body graft that Madara put on Obito and the Zetsu's themselves are both made from Hashirama's DNA. The manga has bluntly stated it several times now. For poor KYF to read Kael's post, not understand what was actually written, and then post a reworded statement as a counter argument, is beyond laughable.

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1). LMAO, if you considered that a GOOD argument then Your just as Delusional as Numious is...

The guy blew the first counter post way out of proportion then ignored the lack of reason in Kals repost to my counter post while trying to nit pick and show lack of reason where there was none in my counter to Kals reply...
And somehow I did not READ Kals OP I replied to simply because Kal assumes it and since I claim who knows does not read mine. I did not have my post read, Only replied with a Very fallacious argument not matter how you look at it which is why his reply can qualify for 3 different fallacies for crying out loud and Numious can try to find lack of reason by merely making the CLAIM my reply to kals was just as unreasonable by bringing up 3 different fallacies of "Nonsquitor, Naturalistic fallacy and fallacy from repetition" to which I committed none yet you still consider a great argument Lol...

2). KAL said and I quote:
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"Um...try again. Madara stated that Obito couldn't use the Rinnegan on his own because he lacked the Senju lineage. He could use them as a transplant because of the Zetsu graft, but he didn't have full run of its abilities.
Kal contradicted himself by claiming madara said something he did not by Claiming Madara said "Obito could NOT use the RG ON HIS OWN Because he LACKED THE SENJU LINEAGE Which is Exactly what the ZETSU half body Obito had, Gave him LMAO...
But then mentioned that Obito did have the Zetsu graph which is the power=DNA=Lineage of the SENJU coming from hashirama himself, the strongest Power=DNA=Linegae of the younger son of the sage/senju ancestor their is...

That is why I replied and I quote:
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"Are you for real? Did you forget about the hashirama SENJU half body obito has to use for half his full power plus his uchiha half to qualify to be able to wield the RG which is awakened by the same powers."
Pointing out That the Zetsu half body is made of the power/DNA, thus Lineage of hashirama SENJU (<<<ALL CAPS for a reason) which is half the power along with the Uchiha, that Obito just happens to have, qualifies him to be able to Wield the RG and even be awakened by that same power (SENJU+Uchiha) which madara did confirm...

SO how does Madara state that Obito cannot USE the RG because he lacks something he has? Not just Any senju Power=DNA=Lineage, but the STRONGEST their is next to the younger son himself for Jebus sakes...

What Kal misquoted was the Madara Uchiha claim that: "You cannot Awaken the RG without both the Uchiha and SENJU power... And you CANNOT HANDEL the GEDO MAZO/Juubi's empty Body, PROPERLY... HALF of your BODY is made of SENJU CELLS, therefore even if you do not awaken the RG, you can still CONTROL the GEDO MAZO/Juubi's body.."

Quoted here: http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/606/15

CONCLUSION:
Before you Criticize, why not actually read both the posts along with Knowing what is cannon and what is completely contradicted BS first because you are supporting the false idea of me NOT reading Kals OP I replied simply because I Brought up and pointed out the contradiction in Kals post which explained what Obito should actually be capable of doing with the RG judging by what Madara said about it while sarcastically Mock your missing of the contradiction of your statement by pointing out that the zetsu graph/half body was made of SENJU Lineage coming from hashirama SENJU for jebus sakes...

Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays or w/e...
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And if You cannot possibly TRACK/REACT to your enemies attacks to Defend yourself, then how can you possibly stop him from DEFEATING you at WILL...


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People live relying on they're Knowledge and Perception, and thus are bound to them.....
Those Boundaries are what they tend to accept as "Reality".....
However..... Knowledge and Perception are both ambiguous....
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(...) that was my only argument which you have just blown out of proportion as usual...

So tell me, oh wise one, how many lifeless narcissists perfectionist does it take to blow a simple difference of opinion out of proportion...
None, because the aggressive narcissist in the forum was the one who blew a single line into a narcissistic rage, accusing left an right of fallacies that don't even match the line in question.

I'll demonstrate how your original reply was idiotic further ahead.

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He argued with an assumption, assuming I claimed this number of people more then himself which he portrayed as "WE", did not read my Posts, showing no proof of the claim...
You accused him of such in the past, you accused me of such in the past, you accused others of such in the past. Kael does not proof for a widely known claim of yours, or do you just have a really short memory?

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thus argued with an assumption for one of his propositions so how can you not understand exactly where the "begging the question fallacy" was committed?

For your enlightenment: "The fallacy of petitio principii, or "begging the question", is committed "when a proposition which requires proof is assumed without proof"
And you either didn't bother to read the rest of the Wikipedia article you pulled that from or you didn't even bother to comprehend it.

The formula of begging the question is:

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A implies B and A is only valid because B is assumed.
In this case, A is the "we" you raged about and B is you saying people don't read your posts correctly. Considering I, someone who didn't make the argument, acknowledge the veracity of B, B is no longer assumed, it is factual. So the question can't be begged... unless you're on the defense trying to save your silly hide.

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WHat question made? How is this a question exactly: "I always love how KYF argues we don't read his bullshit, when he does the same when trying to counter my post."

Question is why he answered my reply with nothing more then fallacies... And since I did read his post an replied, he is not making any logical sense to make such a red herring argument...
Wow, you're so stupid you commit three, THREE moronic statements in this quote alone.

1) That wasn't the post you replied with a non-sequitur, you moron, it was the original one. If you had any reading comprehension you'd catch this quick instead of playing the fool.

2)Once again, the non-native English speaker has to fetch the dictionary because the native speaker is too dumb to know his own language.

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ques·tion n.1.
a. An expression of inquiry that invites or calls for a reply.
b. An interrogative sentence, phrase, or gesture.
2. A subject or point open to controversy; an issue.
3. A difficult matter; a problem: a question of ethics.
4. A point or subject under discussion or consideration.
5.
a. A proposition brought up for consideration by an assembly.
b. The act of bringing a proposal to vote.
6. Uncertainty; doubt: There is no question about the validity of the enterprise.
And I might as well put up the definition of answer:

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an·swer n.1.
a. A spoken or written reply, as to a question.
b. A correct reply.
2.
a. A solution, as to a problem.
b. A correct solution.
3. An act in retaliation or response: Our only possible answer was to sue.
4. Something markedly similar to another of the same class: cable TV's answer to the commercial networks' sportscasts.
5. Law A defendant's defense against charges.
So he did raise a question (not by inquiry but by bringing up an issue) and you answered it. So next time learn your own damn language before throwing shit at me.

3) What red herring fallacy? What new, unrelated issue did he bring for his post in reply to yours for it to be red herring? Or are you considering him pointing out your lack of reading comprehension a diversion from the topic?

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1). I read his argument and clearly refuted his claims as well as opinions and nothing more!!!
All he did was use an assumption that I claimed all these people, which he referred to as "WE", did not read my posts, then I went and did the same which is not what happened at all...
It was nothing more then an excuse to not reply to my counter post due to the destruction of his previous argument, irrefutably...
Oh.... wow. You're delusional to think you destroyed any of his arguments when you didn't even read them properly to begin with, you dimwit. What you destroyed were arguments made from the straws of your imagination.

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SO you did not notice that he assumed that I did not read his post, thus he did not read mine and merely answer my counter post with a fallacy ridden reply...
Except he was right when he countered your reply by saying you didn't read his post correctly. He was talking about whether Nagato had or not the knowledge to use the Rinnegan, not how much knowledge he had to use the Rinnegan. See the difference? So who's committing what fallacy here, KYF?

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For your Enlightenment: "This is an informal fallacy that occurs when assuming that, if one wrong is committed, then another wrong will cancel it out."
And I ask you once again, where is the second wrong in kael's post to even purpose such thing? He only alludes to a single wrong (you doing the wrong you accuse others of doing), so he cancel out a wrong with another wrong if he lacks one of them. Or are you, by any chance, assuming that he does know he misreads your posts and is excusing himself by accusing you of the same? If so, you're plain mad by assuming such.

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1). How is what you said even fall into the category a "naturalistic fallacy"???
A NATURALISTIC FALLACY=According to G. E. Moore's Principia Ethica, when philosophers try to define "good" reductively in terms of natural properties like "pleasant" or "desirable", they are committing the naturalistic fallacy.

2). I never claimed the lack of knowledge of where it came from and it's properties caused the user to NOT be able to use the RG "properly", ONLY that Obito's LACK of Power/stamina made it so HE not nagato, could use the RG Properly like how NAGATO used the RG ...
Wow, you're stupid and, again, in three ways.

1) The specific conversion I alluded to did NOT involve Obito in any way, only Nagato, so now you're mixing two different arguments you made. Zombie Jesus, you can't even keep track of the shit you say.

2) Nice reading of the opening phrase of the Wikipedia article and not the rest of it, smarty pants. Too bad you completely ignored that the naturalistic fallacy is about putting things as they ought to be, not as they are.

3) You DID commit the naturalistic fallacy considering you said this:

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not true! If nagato had full knowledge of the RG then he would know it came from the EMS, thus be able to realize he could likely use EMS jutsu to activate and use susanoo like madara can...
But, KYF, Nagato never had the EMS, so even if he had full knowledge of the Rinnegan, that does not mean he would have knowledge of any Sharingan techniques.

In other words, you said that one that has full knowledge of Rinnegan is ought to know how to use the EMS, when that isn't the case for Nagato considering he never had EMS to begin with.

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2). Your Committing a Begging the Question Fallacy by using an assumption of refuting ANYTHING about the Sage's Izanagi/SG Izanagi (which you did not) as a proposition without any proof of your assumption.
Just because your blind pride does not allow you to acknowledge that your argument has been logically refuted does not mean it wasn't. Like I said before, you're better off being silent about that shenanigan until any of it is actually alluded in the manga than to spout it again and again like it has any validity in the manga.

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3)). I am not committing ANY fallacy by bringing up the FACT there is 2 known Izanagi's (lots of ironic blah blah blah)
I accuse you of argument from repetition and what you do? YOU REPEAT YOURSELF. By Cthulhu, your lack of reading comprehension is so gargantuan it starts to look like an endless abyss of irony. And more irony is accusing others of doing the stuff you do.

Merry Christmas KYF, and I hope Santa left in your sock a good book. You sorely need one.
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