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Old 01-10-2014, 12:11 PM   #91
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I'm hoping Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Krillin, Frieza, Cell, Buu, Tien, Jirobi (sp?), and any other character from the Dragon Ball universe that I have not named... oh, Piccolo and Broly... they all show up and decimate the place. That is my dream for the Nardo universe.
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I'm hoping Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Krillin, Frieza, Cell, Buu, Tien, Jirobi (sp?), and any other character from the Dragon Ball universe that I have not named... oh, Piccolo and Broly... they all show up and decimate the place. That is my dream for the Nardo universe.
im with ya, Luv Trunks, Goku honestly, Brolly is way too much alone for most manga, He can destroy planets on a whim and survive in space, He did that as a toddler.
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Lulz@kyf thinking Minato's been deliberately holding himself back in the final battles of the manga against God level villains.
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It's not about Minato holding back for a good reason, but Being riddled with so much Sympathy for his former student to hold back so damn much, for such a retarded reason, which he has already been confirmed of doing EVEN against Obito (despite him becoming the most powerful being since the sage of six paths), Proven when he plan to attack Obito with his new jutsu due to Obito losing control over his body against the juubi, becoming vulnerable. But, stopped his new jutsu attack after flashing back about young obito, remembering who Obito was and just because Obito showed signs of not being in control by responding to minato's threat of pawnage with "who... R... U... ?" which stopped Minato in his tracks, stopping mInato's attack for the same premise he chose to attack Obito at that time (losing control over his body to the juubi).
All allowing Obito to even gain control and go V2 to catch an already holding back Minato off guard with his Sage staff-Minidama combo plus Yin/Yang powers to nullify the ET regeneration, which caused minato to lose his arm, getting the biggest PLOT Weakening in the first place Only able to use a less effective FTG 1 & 2 (need both hands to use level 3), rasengan and the bijuudama in his Full BM form...

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This is not really much about Minato holding back which he already showed without a doubt he did against Juubito. No!!! This is about Kishi using BS Plot to hold Minato back from just after he dawned that damn Kyuubi Cloak/Rikudou Mode and used a single kage bushin to FTG kunai blitz Obito which Minato could have done without the Kyuubi's power Lol...

Basically, Kishi had Minato Hold back and be weakened more and more up to this point he is barely 1/3 the shinobi he should be....
: Had minato gain no physical speed/reflexes super boost like naruto did who went from being half the speed of the 4th Raikage even in SM to being able to evenly compete with Raikage using V1/SOME Lightning chakra for increased speed/reflexes and for armour to protect himself from physical attacks,... mode. And even use a full speed head start ahead of raikage's V2 attack to become a moving target which is much harder to hit then a stationary target as well as being able to increase his perception of the raikage's movements to better track then by moving at full speed ahead of rai's attack, PLUS a Shushin to dodge a single V2 Full POWER Lightning Armor attack.
Meanwhile at just BASE mode....
Minato was already able to physically compete against Raikage's V2 FULL POWER Lightning armor Full speed shushin. showing the ability to Not Only TRACK the movements of the Raikage at his full Speed which even the SG could not, but even physically REACT and MOVE to use a Combo of Level 1 and 2 FTG to counter rai's attack as shown by the manga.
SO Obvious BS Minato did not get a super speed/reflex boost like naruto did.
Probably because Minato physically would have been too much and would have made V2 Obito's physical speed/reflexes not that impressive in comparison...
: Forced minato to constantly protect Naruto and sasuke to the point he did not get to use his new jutsu (FTG COmbo attack) with the kyuubi's power to make it even more effective then his base version.
: Had the Mark Minato placed on Obito Magically disappear so he could not use his Level 1 blitz attack to save naruto and sasuke or anyone else directly from Juubito. But, especially for using his "incapable of reacting in time to defend" offense attacks, meanwhile, the Tag Tobirama placed on Obito did not disappear at all/Obito gotten rid off with the sage's power's so it is pure PLOT BS that Minato's FTG mark disappeared in the first place taking away yet another advantage from minato.
: Had Minato decide to use Obito's loss of control to the Juubi to use his new jutsu to deliver a powerful Combo attack before he knew Obito could possibly react (Then for the very reason he attacked Obito, he would Not attack), but was forced to stop his attack because Obito was showing loss of control to the Juubi, which was the original premise for the use of his new jutsu combo attack in the first place...
: Minato having held back from a stupid sympathy for his former student Minato allowed Obito to reach V2 Juubito mode gaining greater speed, strength, power and jutsu to take away his arm and weaken him the most...
All of which obito Immediately attacked Minato with, using a Sage staff-minidama combo which obviously caught Minato off guard by his reaction which while still not wanting to attack Obito due to sympathy and not knowing that the staff Obito was wielding is made of 5 element bijuudama chakra (no one did) allowed Obito's staff to go right through Minato's Kunai defense, leaving his arm out to be cut off then have a mindama stuck to it as he teleported away.
: Not to mention that with ONLY 1 arm, Minato was severely weakened...
unable to use the FTG level 3 to absorb attacks then redirect them for defense and offense, use the summoning Jutsu to summon at least 5 Toads able to use senjutsu, (thus be effective against Juubito) or the 2 Sage Taods of the five which all have very effective attacks to use against Juubito including Frog song. Also, this means no able to use the shiki fuujin Jutsu either, Unable to create Kage Bushin which is a huge take away from Minato because that takes away his ability to attack the enemy effectively from a distance while completely out of harms way.
This also took away Minato's ability to use his Unknown/new Jutsu which he was held back from using 2 times and is now completely unable to even use it for god sakes then Had Minato Gain full Yin Kyuubi power by working with that Kyuubi half, but not gain the full power mode increase like naruto did (again not getting something that naruto got from using the exact same thing), Only able to use full Bijuu Mode Cloak yet needed tobirama to use the FTG since his mark Magically disappeared and with ONLY 1 arm could merely use a single Bijuu mode Rasengan and the Bijuudama.
: Had Minato actually RUN OUT OF CHAKRA DESPITE BEING AN EDO GOLEM YET AGAIN SHOWING THAT MINATO IS NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO USE THE EDO TENSAI ADVANTAGE'S OF REGENERATION AND NOW INFINITE CHAKRA...
Then as he was magically out of CHAKRA, which was supposed to be impossible as an Edo Golem, for like a couple minutes too...
Minato was so weakened by plot after losing his regeneration, then arm/all but 2 base jutsu and then running out of his unlimited chakra, he was left ONLY able to be used as a tool by Tobirama to help FTG shinobi away from the God tree Lol...
: And now, even with Obito sage of six powerless, LOL, the Yin/yang jutsu that nullified minato's Edo tensai regeneration is still leaving Minato's ET regeneration unable to work meanwhile Black Zetsu/Madara Zetsu has taken over Obito, made him use Rinne Tensai to revive Madara and has combined with Obito so yet again Minato is forced to hold back against Obito due to sympathy even though he is already doomed...

CONCLUSION:
Obvious unbiased Conclusion is that Minato was Plot weakened by Sympathy, all the way to not even being able to use but 2 ninjutsu (FTG 1/2 and rasengan), losing the ability to use all the rest after losing his arm to Plot, at the worst left with no increase in abilities by gaining KCM and in a half ass Bijuu Mode, Only able to use a bigger rasengan and a bijuudama along with being the first and ONLY ET in history to NOT be able to use it's advantages (Instant regeneration and Unlimited chakra supply) unable to grow his arm back after losing it as well as running out of chakra, left completely useless for a couple minutes SHOWING THAT MINATO MIGHT AS WELL BE AT BASE (NO KYUUBI CHAKRA MODE, JUST THE HALF ASS BIJUU MODE THAT MERELY INCREASED HIS POWER OUTPUT AND THE USE OF A BIJUUDAMA)
AND BEEN ALIVE UNABLE TO USE ANY OF THE ADVANTAGES OF THE EDO TENSAI JUTSU...
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Here's another reason for naruto to survive the extraction: we've seen it happen before with Kushina. The Uzumaki have a vast life force and can live long lives and survive things that kill others.
Do not forget that Naruto ONLY had the YANG half of the Kyuubi extracted and VIA a new method using the Gedo Mazo/Juubi's body Plus madara's Senju/Uzumaki's power, Seal Combo... which, we have yet to see used for actually extracting the the bijuu/power and not just taking back a Bijuu/power it had previously sealed within it by akatsuki to completley control, much less the effects of this New Bijuu/power taking Method has on the JINK who's Bijuu/Power was taken...

All those Bijuu/power sealed with the 9 dragon method by akatsuki all died (even Roushi and Gaara who with RED HAIR "the physical trait of those who Belong to the Uzumaki Bloodline" Thus, were likely Uzumaki too, yet still died right after the sealing of the bijuu was done with 9 dragons Method...

Not to mention that Kushina had just Given Birth, therefore, was in a state of severely weakened Health and got no medical treatment after she gave birth, then had the Kyuubi Break out of Her with the seal so Weak and Obito's Assistance...
And Despite all of this, being in such Poor Health before the Kyuubi Broke out. Kushina still survived the extraction of all that chakra of the full power Kyuubi for about another 10 minutes, still having received NO Medical attention with the Village under attack by the Kyuubi and Minato busy....

But, Naruto while having the last Name of Uzumaki does not show any physical traits (having Blonde hair like his father, having a powerful base chakra, however, the Kyuubi's power leaks into naruto's chakra at all times which is why naruto has such a large BASE chakra power/stamina and even having a talent with chakra control to even be able to adjust, Sync and give away like his father minato could), showing physically and technically that he takes mostly after his father's bloodline, thus I doubt he is enough Uzumaki to survive the same Kyuubi extraction that Kushina did, due to her having the power of the Uzumaki and thus Senju bloodline.

CONCLUSION:
Naruto did not lose his Bijuu the same method that killed even two likely Uzumaki JINKS (roushi and Gaara), immediately after the last of the bijuu's chakra was taken.
And is Not in the absolutely piss poor health from having a baby and receiving NO Medical attention what so ever before having the FULL power Kyuubi get extracted from you by having it break out... and Kushina still lived long after losing the Kyuubi in such a condition with no medical attention too.
So Naruto despite having little of the Uzumaki/senju bloodline/power in him, taking more after his father. However, Being in a Very Good State of Health when his Bijuu/power was extracted and will likely receive special medical attention from SKilled Healers of the highest level like Sakura, tsunade, Orochimaru, ect...

All in All Naruto should have a pretty high probability for survival since his Bijuu/power extraction Madara Used with the Gedo Mazo plus the power of the Uzumaki/senju for a combo Seal to rip the Bijuu/power out by force to be sealed immediately is very similar to kushina's Bijuu extraction, but instead of an external force drawing the Bijuu/power out.
The Bijuu Itself Broke out after the seal was very weakened after Obito used the SG to give the Bijuu the will to break out... Making it more an Internal force (the Kyuubi) using it's power/Will to over power a very weak seal to extract itself...


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It's amazing that Madara is so fucking broken that he doesn't even need to actually break the jinchuuriki seals the way Obito and Nagato both had to, and with no logical reasoning or justification to back it up.

It almost seems like Kishi had all these different villains with different visions for how the plot would have to end with them and, because he couldn't decide between so many masterworks, decided to implement all of them. In sequence.
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To be fair, your cherry Picking, Ignoring the FACT that Madara is the one who awakened the RG nagato and Obito used, not to mention Madara should have knowledge and skill with the RG as well as the Uchiha/Senju's bloodline and their abilities considering that Madara had the Uchiha/True SG abilities to learn/master for well over 90 years, the power of the senju from the hashirama DNA/cells to learn/master the Senju abilities for over 65 years and the power of the RG/sage to learn/Master the RG's/Sage's abilities for at least 15 years, judging by Madara's statement "I awoke the RG right as my Life span was about to end" meaning that Madara's natural life span of about 90 years is a reasonable age to which madara's life span was almost over, to which he awoke the RG, broke the seal on the Juubi's body summoning it to him from the moon, using the power still left in the body to cultivate the Senju cells he took from Hashirama to grow Clones of him confirming that madara learned/Mastered the sage's Izanagi to create something using a foundation (the Juubi's chakra for the Bijuu and hashirama's cells for the Zetsu), By applying IMAGINATION (creating form and shape), the basis of the Yin power of the Uchiha and by Applying the Basis for the Yang element of the Senju, BREATHING/GIVING LIFE. Thus, Using the Foundation of Hahsirama's Cells Madara Used his YIN Power to give the Senju cells shape and form with his IMAGINATION then GAVE LIFE to that IMAGINED shape and form CREATING a ton of hashirama clones.
Also Madara attached himself to the Juubi's Body to use it's power to extend his life to live up to about 17 years ago in narutoverse timeline which means he lived to around 107-ish giving Madara about 15-17 years to master the RG/Sage's abilities with the help of the Gedo Mazo to power him for more practice and the assistance of the Sage's Tablet's Complete Knowledge using the RG.

SO Madara able to do things beyond what Nagato (who in all likelihood lacked the Knowledge and training to wield the RG's/Sage's and Gedo Mazo's complete abilities) and Obito (Obviously Lacking the Level of Physical energy and life energy that gives hashirama at base such a powerful body/chakra as well as lacking the Spiritual Energy and Imagination that gave Madara the Eternal Mangekyo/true power of the SG... Thus lacking the level of Both the Yin/Uchiha power and Yang/Senju Power to wield the RG he had in his left eye much less the power to awaken the RG from his SG eye which is logically the lowest level ones Eye's+Body's power should be at to wield the RG's 7 unique abilities...

Well, as opposed to ONLY being able to use the RG for it's most basic abilities such as Transmigration and chakra rods/madara's will to use the Rikudou no jutsu. This jutsu transmigrates one's chakra and mind thus doujutsu, KKG, ninjutsu, genjutsu, Kinjutsu, w/e abilities and physical traits your chakra offers and mental control too.
All that, Into a dead or living Body by putting a chakra rod/s into the Body's chakra Point/s to use as the dead or living body/ies as your own Ninja tool.
A Ninja tool that is psychically Linked to the user allowing him/her to see through the eyes of every body/ies that are being used for the jutsu. Not to mention that the abilities of a Living body with it's own Original chakra allows the user to use the Original abilities of that Living body and a Dead body like a reanimated revive shinobi/Edo Golem or dead bodies that have a separate chakra sealed within them (like the Edo JINKS with the Power of Bijuu Sealed within them).
Obviously this was the Limit of what Obito could do with the RG, due to his limited physical ability to use the RG eye he had...

SECOND:
I Think Kishi had been holding back detailed explanations of the SG/MS/EMS/RG's abilities so that he could allow Madara to show a true Sage level of Proficiency with the Sage's powers/abilities, not just someone with the sage's abilities which we have been seeing since the beginning of part 2 when Pain was first shown fighting.
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oh god no, not this "minato is the stronges 5ever!" crap again.

Kishi has made it clear that there's now only 3 ninjas that matter and are the strongest in this manga. (hashimara is basically useless now)

Madara, Naruto, Sasuke. done.


You don't have to do a deep analysis to figure it out. The manga is force feeding this narrative to us. Two strongest shinobi of the alliance (sasuke and naruto) will defeat their most powerful foe (Madara).

Blaming Kishi for a characters shortcomings makes absolutely no sense. At the end of the day, it's HIS STORY with HIS CHARACTERS. If he so damn well chooses that Minato is some mentally weak ass shinobi incapable of perspective no amount of fan theory and "what if" scenarios will change it.

Accept it and move on.

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Do you like typing KYF? Goddamn.
You forgot whining.

One whole post that can be summarized as "waaaaaaaaaaah, Kishimoto is Worfing Minato like he did to every other character that isn't named Naruto or Sasuke, waaaaaaaaaaaah, it ain't fair that my favorite character is being treated as a complete idiot like every other character, waaaaaaah!".

The funny thing is that, after bashing Kishimoto's writing for not sucking Minato's cock as it used to, he tries to be apologetic about it to somehow jusitfy to complete clusterfuck of horrid writing behind Madara's, Obito's and Nagato's string of plans. He doesn't seem to know he can't have the cake and eat it.

Oh and more Naruto being a Uzumaki denial for no good reason. Yeah, let's see if he still spouts that shit when Naruto survives the extraction and Minato will probably point out that it is because he's an Uzumaki. You know, just to rub salt on that idiocy wound.
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Do not forget that Naruto ONLY had the YANG half of the Kyuubi extracted and VIA a new method using the Gedo Mazo/Juubi's body Plus madara's Senju/Uzumaki's power, Seal Combo... which, we have yet to see used for actually extracting the the bijuu/power and not just taking back a Bijuu/power it had previously sealed within it by akatsuki to completley control, much less the effects of this New Bijuu/power taking Method has on the JINK who's Bijuu/Power was taken...
What does the method of extraction have anything to do with the host surviving the extraction or not? We've always known that if a host has its Bijuu extracted, he or she dies.

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All those Bijuu/power sealed with the 9 dragon method by akatsuki all died (even Roushi and Gaara who with RED HAIR "the physical trait of those who Belong to the Uzumaki Bloodline" Thus, were likely Uzumaki too, yet still died right after the sealing of the bijuu was done with 9 dragons Method...
Until Kishi says otherwise, they just had red hair, correlation doesn't necessarily equal causation.. Besides, Chiyo said that all of the hosts prior to Gaara in their village died after having their Bijuu extracted, and I'm sure they didn't use the exact same method of extraction Atakuski used.

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But, Naruto while having the last Name of Uzumaki does not show any physical traits (having Blonde hair like his father, having a powerful base chakra, however, the Kyuubi's power leaks into naruto's chakra at all times which is why naruto has such a large BASE chakra power/stamina and even having a talent with chakra control to even be able to adjust, Sync and give away like his father minato could), showing physically and technically that he takes mostly after his father's bloodline, thus I doubt he is enough Uzumaki to survive the same Kyuubi extraction that Kushina did, due to her having the power of the Uzumaki and thus Senju bloodline.
Well besides looking more like his father, what does that have to do with Naruto not having Uzumaki characteristics? Uzumaki characteristics are passive at best, strong life force and long lives aren't things that can be clearly seen unless certain conditions arise. You're using things that arbitrary to make huge distinctions between otherwise closely related subjects.
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What's this? A Doge meme about someone's power that isn't about Nasus and a 500+ built Q? Wow, such surprise!


And TSO, it's useless to argue with KYF about the issue, only mocking is warranted at this point.

He seriously thinks Naruto is going to die. Naruto, the main character and provide of the name of the manga, a Shounen that is incredibly tame when it comes to character's deaths. Even after Kishimoto went out of his way to make Kushina survive the extraction to tell the readers "don't worry, Naruto isn't going to die even if the Kyuubi is extracted!" without any type of further subtlety whatsoever. He seriously thinks that all of his mental gymnastics that include fanfiction that is directly contradicted by the manga is somehow more valid that the gargantuan hint he dropped that can be seen on Mars with a naked eye.

Just let the 'tard be stupidly surprised when Naruto doesn't die for our collective amusement.
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I'm guessing by the lack of a new thread, there isn't a chapter at all? I wish AoT wasn't on a monthly schedule, I need something to read. I suppose I could catch up on OP. There really isn't much to say about this chapter that hasn't already been said but god damn dude, how in the utter fuck are these niggas gonna beat madara right now? Unless sasuke and naruto perform the fusion dance, they're all as good as dead.
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No matter how it goes down prepare for massive BS. Hell, that magic god fruit might show up so Nardo can eat it and fagvolve into a fairy god, and that fairy god will still only be capable of firing bijuudamas since we can't have creativity in this mangu anymore.
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I'm guessing by the lack of a new thread, there isn't a chapter at all?
...I dont mean to sound like a dick but I just posted that jump isn't going to release their next issue until the 20th.
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Honestly, what I can't get is after all the nerfing, retconning, backtracking, and all around shitting on the very canon he (Kishi) created, why KYF can't figure out that Minato has been reduced from all around God he was hinted at being at the beginning of the series to a fairly one dimensional speedster. It's literally happened to every single character, except Naruto, Sasuke, and Madara.

Our favorite secondary characters have all been reduced to set pieces, cheerleaders, and shipping war fodder. Join the club. We hold meetings every time we comment on this forum. Write novellas about how unfair or stupid it is. But understand, your situation is not unique. We've all been there. We just accepted the fact Kishi dropped the ball on his story around 250 chapters ago.
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And TSO, it's useless to argue with KYF about the issue, only mocking is warranted at this point.
At this point I just see what his counter arguments are to mine then walk away if they're too outrageous; I just can't pass up the read sometimes...lol I tend to only argue points that I can make sense of. Walls of text just isn't my thing anymore.
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