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Old 02-22-2014, 01:42 PM   #91
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If a Dude loses an eye, and it isn't replaced, why keep him as a leader of ANBU? Danzou was right, Hiruzen was carrying his ass as well. At one point Hiruzen knew a crew by Danzou was sent after Him, but made a speech. Shit just got softer after Tobirama.
As an elder he was an advisor to Hurizen, he created Root to insure the Leaf. Not to exactly kill the third. None of Root or ANBU could take down the third.

i do wonder what would this war be like if Danzou was still acting Kage? better yet if Tsunade was still sleep and Kakashi was made the 6th?


Danzou probably wouldn't be so cooperative with the other villages.
Kakashi probably would have personally guarded Naruto and Bee, while they were training.

Naruto would have convinced him to let him pass and all four(Guy would made sure he was by his rival and Kage's side then) would have headed to the Battlefield.
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How the fuck can Minato even move using SM anyway. He doesn't have a frog on his shoulder, and I didn't see any goddamn clones meditating anywhere. He just went SM and attacked. Now that's a real ass pull.
On the one hand, Naruto was capable of going Sage without clones or frogs in a matter of seconds back in the Pain arc. On the other hand, Minato never trained as a sage. :I
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Naruto is the carbon copy of Minato(albeit with a few difference), not the other way round. I don't recall Naruto inventing anything that his dad copied.
Minato is "now" closer to Naruto. Notice, besides appearance, Naruto was nothing like his father. Naruto is known for his abundant chakra supply, therefore, he can use exhaustive techniques in subsequent fashion. Combine Naruto's heavy chakra output with his penchant for pulling pranks (no one expects these) on the battlefield, you get a style that can be quite overwhelming for even formidable opponents (see Pain).

Minato's tactics were more precise and fast. Before Minato's revival, he was never known specifically for his large chakra supply or durability; it would make sense for his margin of error to be much smaller. Giving Minato full mastery of half of the Kyuubi's chakra and perfected Sage Mode breaks the mold that was previously established for Minato.

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Minato was never meant to know how to do everything (he couldn't combine his elemental chakra with Rasengan for instance). He was a genius and recognized as the finest shinobi to ever come out of Konoha, but due to a lack of experience and youth it is feasible that he could have been beaten by a more seasoned vet of the game. Minato was cut down as he was hitting his stride, no doubt he could have been one of the greats.

Kakashi was still getting better into his 30s and the Sannin are savages in their 50s (in relation to shinobi as a whole). Though round Sarutobi's age the gap between experience and stamina/altheticism is too great that no matter how skilled you are, a too advanced age will diminish one's capabilities (unless you've pumped yourself full of the 1st Hokage's genes like Danzou did).
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On the one hand, Naruto was capable of going Sage without clones or frogs in a matter of seconds back in the Pain arc. On the other hand, Minato never trained as a sage. :I
Thank you, thank you, fucking thank you... somebody officially said it besides me. That Dude was never trained by anyone in cahoots with either Jiriaya, or Naruto IMHO. At all, If so, convince me. I'm not adding to his Hype, Him Overrated. Overall, for real, He is.

My prob is that Kishi forgets his own shit. Lookit, the only way Naruto could maintain life in the battle vs. 6 Paths of Pein, was a combination, of Sage & Kyuubi usage. The only reason he lasted and came back in Sage was what? The Clones on Toad Mountain gathering NE right? And Him lost that in translation? Minato even going Sage was beyond Sasuke pulling a Hawk from the airs ass.

Btw Danzou struck me as in charge of ANBU every panel except as a kid, not an Advisor... Hiruzen just couldn't put Him, or Oro down...even when He knew he needed to. Attempting to be a God and control storms, rarely work out.
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Btw Danzou struck me as in charge of ANBU every panel except as a kid, not an Advisor... Hiruzen just couldn't put Him, or Oro down...even when He knew he needed to. Attempting to be a God and control storms, rarely work out.
ANBU is directly under the Hokage. Lead by various Captains within. Root was directly under Danzou. Where as Jonin Commander was over all ninja,below the Hokage and his advisors, in rank.
Which is why when the Hokage goes to meetings it is with Shikaku,Jonin Commander. The elders they were part of his squad,I guess he was a bit sentimental,and Danzou.

Hmm,who would "6th Hokage" Kakashi have put in these positions? Guy as Jonin Commander? Disband Root and integrate into ANBU?
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A wonder... thousands of shinobi over the years have molded, altered, increased, they're chakra usage, and ability, yet only 1 asked the question...'Where does this shit come from, and what is its true purpose?'. Madara got the answer, now he talks down to other shinobi like Harashirma like he was sleeping in class, and missed out on the information.
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minato could use sage mode cause he was still while Madara and Obito were talking.. the ass pull isn't the fact that he could use sage mode... It's the fact that he was in perfect sage mode
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minato could use sage mode cause he was still while Madara and Obito were talking.. the ass pull isn't the fact that he could use sage mode... It's the fact that he was in perfect sage mode
I thought the same thing...they told them to hold off until the moment is perfect. Until the moment all four of them attacked Minato had been standing still. So I agree that the only asspull was the fact that it was a perfect sage mode. (besides being trained or given simple lessons off panel lol.)
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minato could use sage mode cause he was still while Madara and Obito were talking.. the ass pull isn't the fact that he could use sage mode... It's the fact that he was in perfect sage mode
Umm, you still have to train to be perfectly still. Being one with nature requires complete cohesion with the natural surroundings. The old toad said it was amongst the hardest things to do. The second phase is the balancing part, which you guys have already pointed it. The asspull is twofold. From what I remember, there are four outcomes when it comes to balancing natural energy with spiritual and physical energy.

1. Too much natural energy over powers the user and turns him or her into a toad.

2. Too little produces little to no effect.

3. A little too much produces frog like features, effects are superficial and harmless and will subside once Sage Mode ends.

4. Just the right amount maintains the general humanoid appearance (perfected form).

The fact that Minato not only didn't learn how to train to be perfectly still, he skipped over three possibilities of the balancing phase...
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There's also the minor fact that Pa explicitly stated that only Naruto and Jiraiya could train to be sages because of their massive chakra pools. Hashirama being a sage makes sense since he has a chakra pool equal to the entire kyuubi, naruto, and minato combined. Kabuto experimented on himself to gain it. Minato has never been stated to be a chakra powerhouse of that level.
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There's also the minor fact that Pa explicitly stated that only Naruto and Jiraiya could train to be sages because of their massive chakra pools. Hashirama being a sage makes sense since he has a chakra pool equal to the entire kyuubi, naruto, and minato combined. Kabuto experimented on himself to gain it. Minato has never been stated to be a chakra powerhouse of that level.
Minato has a pretty large chakra pool...enough to summon boss toad, fight Obito, seal Kurama using death god and protect his son and wife all in one go. Not only that he warped/teleported a bijuu bomb like it was nothing and teleported Kurama outside of the village. Seems like his chakra pool should not be questioned.

Only thing Pa says is you MUST have a large chakra pool.
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Go reread the chapter that introduced Naruto to sage training. Pa explicitly said Jiraiya and Naruto were the only ones capable of sage training because of their massive chakra tanks. Think about it for a moment. Everyone knows of Naruto's dream to be the greatest hokage ever. Don't you think it would've pushed him more if he was told the 4th not only had sage trainjng, but mastered it as well?
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Go reread the chapter that introduced Naruto to sage training. Pa explicitly said Jiraiya and Naruto were the only ones capable of sage training because of their massive chakra tanks. Think about it for a moment. Everyone knows of Naruto's dream to be the greatest hokage ever. Don't you think it would've pushed him more if he was told the 4th not only had sage trainjng, but mastered it as well?
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-417-11/...apter-412.html

Kael...not explicitly...specifically he says. Pa is making a comparison of Jirayah and his student. He is saying sage mode isn't something anyone can do. You have to have a large chakra pool. He wouldn't have brought Naruto there if he didn't have one.

http://www.mangapanda.com/93-417-12/...apter-412.html
Keep up your training and never give up in doing so, as long as you have a large chakra pool anyone can do it.

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Also remember only Kakashi constantly compared Naruto to Minato. To push him into developing and finishing his fathers technique. Though again using the S Rank level jutsu was also his main ploy. Not many people spoke of the 4th esp since Hurizen forbade anyone from talking to Naruto about the 4th. Not until after the 3rd died..people barely spoke in terms of comparisons or at all. If we are following what I and Jericho said he was given pointers by Jirayah himself and not by Ma and Pa. Minato also wasn't the method for pushing Naruto at the time..it was avenging his fallen master. Comparing him to Jirayah was the best way to motivate Naruto. Lastly...Pa would not discuss Minato esp at that time...Naruto didn't even know who his father was. The conversation about Toads and Sage Mode had to come up otherwise who showed Minato the scroll for making contracts with the Toads? Either Pa or Jirayah helped in that regard and showing him a few more lessons/pointers certainly would not had been out of the question esp for Jirayah's star pupil.
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We all overlooked the fact that Minato and Naruto had linked their chakra and Minato is a sensor type and a genius. He could have learned the balance from being linked to his son. He could feel the ratio when Naruto added sage.chakra to his rasengan.

That coupled with the fact that Minato had to have some training with having a toad contract. So he had exposure to the training. If not from there he would have knowledge of all kinds of Justus from being Hokage.

Also jiraya was his master.

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We all overlooked the fact that Minato and Naruto had linked their chakra and Minato is a sensor type and a genius. He could have learned the balance from being linked to his son. He could feel the ratio when Naruto added sage.chakra to his rasengan.

That coupled with the fact that Minato had to have some training with having a toad contract. So he had exposure to the training. If not from there he would have knowledge of all kinds of Justus from being Hokage.

Also jiraya was his master.

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