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Old 03-04-2014, 03:04 PM   #1
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Madara vs Naruto, is there any substance to this ?

Considering that this is one of, if not the last relevant fight in the manga (Is there even a point to Sasuke vs Nardo anymore?) I can't help but notice that there aren't any real connections or conflicting ideologies between Madara and Nardo. Hell, Madara meet the kid just recently.

Aside from satisfying the big explosion loving fanboys will there be a payoff in any other way as an outcome of this fight ?

Madara wants to put everyone in the matrix and Nardo thinks that's wrong or something ? Even the sons of the sage shit doesn't really fit with Nardo and Madara since there isn't any history between them.

So aside from Madara is ebul !!!! what else is happening in this fight ?

I admit that my Nardo knowledge is lacking so feel free to point out anything I've missed.

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Old 03-04-2014, 03:20 PM   #2
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Re: Madara vs Naruto, is there any substance to this ?

Madara is supposed to be the paragon of the "old way," that is the warfare and the suffering and such. All he understands is that mode of existence, and thus he lacks the ability to BELIEVE in humanity.

Now, aside from the already present shit writing there, this is made even shittier by a simple realization: if this was supposed to be the grand endgame fucking conflict then why not just have had Tobi be Madara? Madara =/= Tobi means that there is exactly jack fuck connection between the two of them aside from their SYMBOLISM. Which is some bullshit.

Either way, if Kishi wants this to end somewhere below maximum bullshit while maintaining this Uchiha v Senju crap, it cannot simply be that Naruto beats Madara and saves the day. Naruto is only the next in line of the path of peace and love and hugs and shit. For this shit to actually end requires something more than just punching hatred, vengeance, and lust for power in the face. The only way this ends in an at all remotely satisfying manner is through Sasuke's redemption. Not this "I WANNA BE HOKAGE" shit, by like actually seeing the error of his ways and harmonizing the two divided philosophies. Honestly, Naruto shouldn't even be the one who is the main opponent to Madara: Madara embodies everything Sasuke has to overcome in order to allow the peace Naruto/everyone the fuck else apparently is hoping to achieve. As shitty as the Uchiha-centric crap is, that's the only place where any interesting dramatic tension is going to happen here.

Kishi misused the shit out of his characters is what I'm saying here.
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Re: Madara vs Naruto, is there any substance to this ?

You know what should have been the theme of the manga ? The "ninja's are just tools vs no they ain't" from Nardo's interactions with Zabuza and Haku back in the wave arc.

Everything would fit nicely under that umbrella. Naruto and Madara could both be against that idea, but Madara obviously would be coming from a "kill everyone that used us and take over" perspective while Nardo would be positioned as a leader to free ninjas from that stigma and change the system.

Cliche, yet it's much better than this Uchiha vs Senju with some god fruit BS that is currently going on.

In fact that could have been Nardo's ticket to visiting other villages and bonding with other jins. Instead of having Akatsuki capture the majority off panel (which is also BS after seeing how fucking powerful these things were in this war. Seriously, how did anyone other than Nagato and Itachi capture these fucking things ?) the jins would all be alive and Nardo could have met them as one of the 9 tools of ultimate destruction.

That theme has a fuck ton of possibilities. But nope, bigg assplosins and magic eyes it is.
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Re: Madara vs Naruto, is there any substance to this ?

I agree,Sasuke fighting against the old Uchiha stigma aka Madara would really fit here. Then all the EdoKages can pass the job of fixing the system to Sasuke and Naruto (not literally but their generation) .
Afterwards, Orochimaru will have to decide if he is going to continue on his path or join the news system. My question is will having a new system mean no more ninjas and Jinks or is it a new "ninja" system they want?
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Re: Madara vs Naruto, is there any substance to this ?

Naruto vs. Madara serves no purpose. They have no connections, never had, and neither is really relevant to the other besides being a threat. Kishimoto simply created a flood of woods, lots of significant shit, and insignificant shit, and got lost in it. He doesn't even have a path, he's just winging it. Joe Obvious says so.
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Re: Madara vs Naruto, is there any substance to this ?

Madara's character is so screwed up it completely goes against what was originally pegged of him. Early on in the series Madara and Danzou were cut from the same cloth. Only difference is that Madara legitimately wanted revenge against Konoha while Danzou wanted to preserve it. Also, Madara's overarching scheme has been made bloated and supported by goals that was seen present in Obito (which was shown to be ridiculous as it is); just written to have originated from Madara himself. Now Madara is pumped so full of the 1st's DNA, has practically every Bijuu in him, and is dressed like a nurse at the local hospital, he doesn't even appear remotely like he use to.

Simplicity would have made things a lot more tolerable. Madara aiming to crush all those from Konoha for shitting on his descendants after he tried to warn to Uchiha would have made for typical yet understandable reason. Like why should Madara sit still and let all those from Konoha breath when his entire clan was not only subjugated, but were assassinated? Though, course Obito set in motion the death of all Uchiha (and Obito was basically an arm of Madara), so yeah, how much sense that makes huh?
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Madara's character is so screwed up it completely goes against what was originally pegged of him. Early on in the series Madara and Danzou were cut from the same cloth. Only difference is that Madara legitimately wanted revenge against Konoha while Danzou wanted to preserve it. Also, Madara's overarching scheme has been made bloated and supported by goals that was seen present in Obito (which was shown to be ridiculous as it is); just written to have originated from Madara himself. Now Madara is pumped so full of the 1st's DNA, has practically every Bijuu in him, and is dressed like a nurse at the local hospital, he doesn't even appear remotely like he use to.

Simplicity would have made things a lot more tolerable. Madara aiming to crush all those from Konoha for shitting on his descendants after he tried to warn to Uchiha would have made for typical yet understandable reason. Like why should Madara sit still and let all those from Konoha breath when his entire clan was not only subjugated, but were assassinated? Though, course Obito set in motion the death of all Uchiha (and Obito was basically an arm of Madara), so yeah, how much sense that makes huh?
He's not Gay, he's a Fag... Hims gonna want Him Bro back... At least Izuna. This another character with zero probable link to Naruto or any Descendant. At least Sasuke called him a relic to his face. Naruto has that 'Whoa it's Madara' shiver like the whole ninja world when they heard his name. Sas is like fuck that, fuck you.
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Re: Madara vs Naruto, is there any substance to this ?

The same reasons he fought Obito?

Madara's ideology is basically the same as Obito before Naruto mind raped him into being good.
This is basically going to be a right versus wrong fight. plain and simple.

Madara will kill obito.
Madara will defeat Sasuke.
Naruto will come in and save the day.

Bold Prediction: Manga ends by this time next year.
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I agree,Sasuke fighting against the old Uchiha stigma aka Madara would really fit here. Then all the EdoKages can pass the job of fixing the system to Sasuke and Naruto (not literally but their generation) .
Afterwards, Orochimaru will have to decide if he is going to continue on his path or join the news system. My question is will having a new system mean no more ninjas and Jinks or is it a new "ninja" system they want?
Kishi already tipped his hand to the new system. It'll be the system that the OG Sage developed chakra for. So that all ninjas can connect on another level and understanding each other. Basically not using chakra to hurt but to help.
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Re: Madara vs Naruto, is there any substance to this ?

Sasukes the lynchpin. Madara will spend way too much time trying to recruit Sasuke into his fantasy because they share Uchiha blood, that'll be his downfall. Madara seemingly needs a replacement for Obito, or a body to make Tsukiyomi real and bring back his Bro. Madaras late, Evil Pimp been at Sasukes body since forever. He's like the most wanted stripper in the ninja world.
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Aside from satisfying the big explosion loving fanboys will there be a payoff in any other way as an outcome of this fight ?
Sakura being killed off. That's the first and only thing that comes to mind.
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