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Old 03-12-2014, 07:19 PM   #31
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Evening Elephant? So now Kishi is adding on to the four guardian spirits? What about the Azure Dragon? I guess he'll use Night Dragon right before he "dies"? Whatever 2 out of 5 Elephant kind of ruined the hype for me.
How horrible would it be if Lee all of a sudden went 8 gates, does all of Gai's techniques in a combo, throwing that Night dragon shit on the end, and still lives through it. I'm not sure even Kishi could troll that hard. Or could he? Dun Dun Dun...

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Kishi is pulling shit out of his ass? Since when can't gai use ninjutsu? He summoned a fucking turtle cmon now.
He also summoned up nun-chucks from a scroll when he fought Kisame. That's definitely ninjutsu.
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Dude in the center with the Mohawk and sharks teeth looks like a very young Kisame, they were only Jounin at the time, that could date him as young as 14, 15 at that time. Additionally he's holding the sword Chojuru uses now, and later its known Kisame killed his master whom had Samehada. Additionally my point was that once Dai, and now Gai enters 8th Gate, they must die at the end. Therefore Dai must've died going vs. 7 Swordsmen, and would've been moar memorable IMHO. Notice Gai was trapped when Dai jumped in. Therefore they had been pursued by the Swordsmen, and had seen them moar than Dai. My Dad jumps in to save me, and he dies, and one of the Dudes have sharks teeth, I'm sorry, call me racist, but every person I see rocking those teeth, I'm gonna feel some kinda way, that's just narmal. I think there was a 'Do I know you' period shit, but DAD was gone after this, where's the bloodlust, the get back?
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It kind of sucks that Kishi doesn't know how to do proper foreshadowing. If he did then Gai's dad being the "eternal genin" that dies to save everyone might symbolize the outcome of this manga concerning a certain other eternal genin. Of course Kishi doesn't have the wit or balls to do that though.

But seriously though. A middle aged man that is still a genin. That's pretty pathetic. He must of missed the 10th question on the written test during the chuunin exam. Buhahahahaha!!!
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I get the feeling Gai won't die.
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It kind of sucks that Kishi doesn't know how to do proper foreshadowing. If he did then Gai's dad being the "eternal genin" that dies to save everyone might symbolize the outcome of this manga concerning a certain other eternal genin. Of course Kishi doesn't have the wit or balls to do that though.

But seriously though. A middle aged man that is still a genin. That's pretty pathetic. He must of missed the 10th question on the written test during the chuunin exam. Buhahahahaha!!!
Yeah, I felt Kishi kind of oversold that one. Dai was actually kind of a loser and outsider. I'm like damn, what has he done with his life? He probably got all of the crap missions, his wife must've left him, and might've have been tasked with sharpening Kunai or something for the ninja who went out and fought. Someone probably would have asked him how could he put up with all of this and still save face and he'd respond with "thanks for the encouragement." Even pre-teens to teens make Chuunin rank, the guy must've been a total screw up and fell into the illusion that it's all ok because of such and such "justification."
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Yeah, I felt Kishi kind of oversold that one. Dai was actually kind of a loser and outsider. I'm like damn, what has he done with his life? He probably got all of the crap missions, his wife must've left him, and might've have been tasked with sharpening Kunai or something for the ninja who went out and fought. Someone probably would have asked him how could he put up with all of this and still save face and he'd respond with "thanks for the encouragement." Even pre-teens to teens make Chuunin rank, the guy must've been a total screw up and fell into the illusion that it's all ok because of such and such "justification."
Well let's look at Kakashi's dad....a guy who was known to be just as powerful as the Sennin. His wife was dead or gone so he filled himself with his work/missions. A man who became depressed because he didn't adhere to the rules. He couldn't take the pressure anymore and killed himself over his decisions. Kakashi a genius grew up totally different in regard to his father. Sure he was just as skillful and his battle prowess was excellent. Though Kakashi despised his father's choice and somewhat hated him for those choices that left him alone. Kakashi grew cold and relentless.


Gai's dad wasn't some genius...he wasn't skilled in genjutsu or formidable ninjutsu. His specialty was training his body and building up his son. He didn't care about what people thought or saw in him. He (mastered the gates in 20 years.) and never focused on ascending in rank. Eternal Genin status with no rival or friends to push him. As you said his behavior is somewhat pathetic and one could see his wife's death/desertion play into that characteristic.


Now look at Gai who even without his parents being alive kept moving forward in a positive way. He was taught that from the get go..to allow youth to run rampant and enjoy your life. Gai just dealt with the stress of losing his father and being alone quite maturely. He constantly pushed himself and his rival Kakashi who he felt was dealing with similar issues. Gai's dad perished from what we can tell saving his life. Sure he was unknown but he went down as a hero. Gai was proud to have this memory of his father. So his upbeat smile is what pushes him to keep gaining strength so that he will never have to watch his loved ones perish but to protect them. Gai took on his fathers nature because it was a lasting impression.

If Gai's dad was powerful enough to use gates and he was a so called eternal genin that means he wasn't seeking the spotlight...He could take down most jounins with the level of 6 and 7 gates. Using this power maybe even Kage level nins wouldn't have it as easy. As Dai told Gai he is showing him the way and now he can shape his own mastery of Taijutsu with the gates jutsu. He ran to his son's aide knowing he was nothing but a genin facing 7 jounin members of the mist. He wasn't scared or anything because he knew he was protecting his son/legacy. Might Dai was sap but he had backbone.
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Wait, one of the Swordsmen is Kisame, he has Chojuro's Blade. Gai should've recognized him, his Dad died that day right. Shouldn't he have had beef the first time he ran up on him back in the day? This feels inconsistent, is it me?
Gai doesnt remember faces. He forgot Kisame like 2 times or somethin, Obito also confirmed it.
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Dude in the center with the Mohawk and sharks teeth looks like a very young Kisame, they were only Jounin at the time, that could date him as young as 14, 15 at that time.
But its not him otherwise Kisame would have mentioned something about his father the moment he saw Gai's fighting style. For that to be Kisame it would create another huge plot hole generating even more inconsistencies with the timeline and structure of the story when regarding those two characters. Dai would have had to have made some type of impact on the swordsmen for the others to even survive that encounter. Meaning he'd be memorable to an impressionable kid (In this case Kisame). There's no reason why Kisame wouldn't remember something like that as he's not the one with memory issues.

Edit: Also before Kisame gained Samehada he used a normal Katana and was not is possession of Hiramekarei.
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But its not him otherwise Kisame would have mentioned something about his father the moment he saw Gai's fighting style. For that to be Kisame it would create another huge plot hole generating even more inconsistencies with the timeline and structure of the story when regarding those two characters. Dai would have had to have made some type of impact on the swordsmen for the others to even survive that encounter. Meaning he'd be memorable to an impressionable kid (In this case Kisame). There's is no reason why Kisame wouldn't remember something like that as he's not the one with memory issues.

Edit: Also before Kisame gained Samehada he used a normal Katana and was not is possession of Hiramekarei.
Its all thrown together, and the story lacks connection in a lotta places really though. Dai being a Genin is quite laughable, and doesn't connect as well. How Minato knew of Dai's wishes I find to be a 'far fetched' connection at best, he was seemingly an outcast getting clown on a regular, to the point his son Gai took an asswhuppin for it. Then jumping in to save the day, against someone supposedly as mighty and known as the 7 Swordsmen, by himself. But notice the cool trick of not showing Dai actually fight, build the illusion as if he either held off, or defeated some or at least one of the Swordsmen because Gai is alive and did manage to escape, and didn't tell if this actually ended Daddy Dai's life. Just a lot of smoke without substance until the next flashback, at least 2 moar sets are left, watch out. And that's just for Gai, that doesn't include Obito's death (which will happen), Kabuto's death (which may happen), Orochimaru's death (seems bound to happen), and prolly Oonoki, (to be the oldest Good Guy on the battlefield, he's done moar than his part, several times over, maybe Minato can go train under him and learn how to be a better Kage. He's earned a good death).
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Its all thrown together, and the story lacks connection in a lotta places really though.
Yet the relationship between Gai and Kisame has been clearly shown throughout the entire manga starting with Kisame's introduction. Kisame made no references to seeing Gai's fighting style before, Gai made no references to knowing Kisame in any way before their first meeting, while no mention was ever given to Kisame having ever met Gai's father. It simply put doesn't fit in with the rest of the story. Also the one holding Hiramekarei doesn't even look like Kisame. Looks more like a clown with a mohawk and doesn't even have fish gills which Kisame had before gaining Samehaha.

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Dai being a Genin is quite laughable, and doesn't connect as well.
Actually it does. Knowing in his own heart that he was strong was enough for him as Dai never sought approval or acknowledgement of his peers. This is why Dai never advanced in rank because he simply didn't care. Hows that hard to understand? Naruto is a Genin but is clearly god tier. Same rule applies here.

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How Minato knew of Dai's wishes I find to be a 'far fetched' connection at best, he was seemingly an outcast getting clown on a regular, to the point his son Gai took an asswhuppin for it.
So its hard to believe that the leader of a village would get to know even the lowest of his citizens? Or that once the kids came back Dai's story would be tolled to acknowledge he's strength of character and valor?

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Then jumping in to save the day, against someone supposedly as mighty and known as the 7 Swordsmen, by himself.
This is hard to believe why exactly? Dai had an ability that granted him the potential to fight at the level of a Kage. This is clearly stated in the very explanation of how the Gates work.

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But notice the cool trick of not showing Dai actually fight,
Because it wasn't necessary seeing as we already know how the gates work. It would have simply been a complete waste of time to even show the fight. The way the flashback was depicted its pretty much clear that he gave his life to protect his son. We don't really need to know anymore than that.

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build the illusion as if he either held off, or defeated some or at least one of the Swordsmen because Gai is alive and did manage to escape, and didn't tell if this actually ended Daddy Dai's life.
Again doesn't need to be shown as its clearly implied that he held them off and died fighting.

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Just a lot of smoke without substance until the next flashback,
There probably won't be a next flashback at least relating to that fight. Gai and the others most likely left the scene while Dai held the swordsman back. This flashback is basically done in the same way as Tobirama's death. Seeing as there are no actual eyewitnesses to tell the story on just how the fight played out.

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at least 2 moar sets are left, watch out. And that's just for Gai, that doesn't include Obito's death (which will happen), Kabuto's death (which may happen), Orochimaru's death (seems bound to happen), and prolly Oonoki, (to be the oldest Good Guy on the battlefield, he's done moar than his part, several times over, maybe Minato can go train under him and learn how to be a better Kage. He's earned a good death).
Now you're just rambling on though you were doing that from the beginning. Anyway my original point stands the one holding Hiramekarei clearly is not Kisame.

PS: Sharkteeth as you put it in another post is when they file down the teeth into points so they can be better used as a weapon. Allot of Mist Shinobi have done this not limited to Kisame and Zabuza.
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Yet the relationship between Gai and Kisame has been clearly shown throughout the entire manga starting with Kisame's introduction. Kisame made no references to seeing Gai's fighting style before, Gai made no references to knowing Kisame in any way before their first meeting, while no mention was ever given to Kisame having ever met Gai's father. It simply put doesn't fit in with the rest of the story. Also the one holding Hiramekarei doesn't even look like Kisame. Looks more like a clown with a mohawk and doesn't even have fish gills which Kisame had before gaining Samehaha.


Actually it does. Knowing in his own heart that he was strong was enough for him as Dai never sought approval or acknowledgement of his peers. This is why Dai never advanced in rank because he simply didn't care. Hows that hard to understand? Naruto is a Genin but is clearly god tier. Same rule applies here.


So its hard to believe that the leader of a village would get to know even the lowest of his citizens? Or that once the kids came back Dai's story would be tolled to acknowledge he's strength of character and valor?


This is hard to believe why exactly? Dai had an ability that granted him the potential to fight at the level of a Kage. This is clearly stated in the very explanation of how the Gates work.


Because it wasn't necessary seeing as we already know how the gates work. It would have simply been a complete waste of time to even show the fight. The way the flashback was depicted its pretty much clear that he gave his life to protect his son. We don't really need to know anymore than that.


Again doesn't need to be shown as its clearly implied that he held them off and died fighting.


There probably won't be a next flashback at least relating to that fight. Gai and the others most likely left the scene while Dai held the swordsman back. This flashback is basically done in the same way as Tobirama's death. Seeing as there are no actual eyewitnesses to tell the story on just how the fight played out.


Now you're just rambling on though you were doing that from the beginning. Anyway my original point stands the one holding Hiramekarei clearly is not Kisame.

PS: Sharkteeth as you put it in another post is when they file down the teeth into points so they can be better used as a weapon. Allot of Mist Shinobi have done this not limited to Kisame and Zabuza.
Well I'm glad you know, I'll wait for those flashbacks, with moar explaination. Still with Minato going all over the place from fighting Ao, and KB, to secret Sage Training, and all the other training, and Kushina training, one would guess he didn't specifically know all of the nobodies in Konoha, its called lack of time, additionally he died young, thwarts his timeline. Its possible, and possibly the story came back to the Hokage and higher ups, but its a poorly written storyline, and plotholes grow like dandelions so I wouldn't be shocked if Kishi hadn't figured it out. Some vague pieces of a puzzle come out doesn't mean it can so easily be explained.
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8 Gates user =/= Humble Jounin lvl Shinobi. Just saying.
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