kluang

If the 9/11 incident is the US govt way to create another scene of Pearl Harbour, to get the people vote to invade other nation in the name of defeating terrorism, but actually to control the Middle East, because Middle East is blessed with oil, and with oil US can maintain and increase it's power. Even the UN looks like an idiot.

The thing with Iran, US say Iran has nuke. Even India has nuke. China has nuke. Why don't the US bother China. If nuke is the weapon of mass destruction, US should disarmed their nuke first before try to disarmed other nation nuke.

This war with Lebanon, why the US always side with Israel? Yes, Hizbullah may have taken 2 hostages, but attacking an entire nation and US just act dumb?!! Duh!!

US maybe wants to be the police of the world, punishing other nation, turn their back at UN, acting at their own juridiction. Maybe the law of the jungle still applied in the modern world, Strong rules, weak disposed.

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If you want to see why everything in that movie is a lie, http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-change try this.

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Ninja48

Bleh, very valid points. The only motive that makes semi-sense is that everything was done for the money, but I can't prove that making money by pulling a 9/11 makes more profit than weapons trading, bribes, and whatnot. Without evidence, I lose, =\ lol. Also, about the probable/possible thing. True, there are many possible motives. However, the top possible motive is money. And who possibly could've made money off of 9/11? The military industry, is one. This rules out aliens, mole people, and possible flying turtles of course.

Oh, wikipedia outlined Loose Change. Here's their explanation of motives for pulling a 9/11:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_C....22Cui_Bono.22

Gimmie some time (err, wait till I'm not lazy) to search for a pro-conspiracy link. It was a debunking of PM's debunking, and I found it interesting, lol. I just know that there has to be a debunking of a debunking's debunking. If that's proper english.

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SirBenoit

this was the biggest waste of time, reading and watching all this crap. u really believe that 9-11 was a set up, funny. anyways for all the people that use the oil ref, why am i still paying 3 dollars for gas. we went to war for oil, 9/11 is fake. u guys will believe anything

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Assaulter

Not gonna read all this. Gonna be a lot of repeat of the same thing in different words and I don't care to hear that right now. Ok seeing how this hurt the government MUCH MUCH MUCH more than you care to believe. I don't see how they set it up.

The Twin Towers was a very very strong contributer of money. Destroying costs more than it was making I'm sorry. Also seeing how the Pentagon was attacked it doesn't seem logical that the goverment would hit something that would DIRECTLY cost them money.

Don't even try and start about gas problems. That is Bush's poor choice and the rest of the government backing him up. He never wanted to drill for oil in our country and he would pay a lot of money from the people to get gas. Also say what ever ya wan't about Bush. If he cared he would say. He is a typical Republican and wants money just like EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ONE OF YOU. His actions for money are yes, a bit extreme, but you have to take into mind there has been much worse.

There is no conspiracy here. If so then gas prices would have never seen a decrease. Quit thinking that shit like this is a conspiracy. It is really pathetic and it lowers my view of people. One thing I want you to do if you think of this that way is grow the balls to talk to the families that are missing hard working loyal family members working in the towers. Talk to the dedicated firemen that GAVE, yes I said gave they didn't have to do it, thier life to save people. Talk to thier families and see what they say to you. I would tell you to get out of the country if you live in the US and if you don't I would beat the shit out of you and remind you that I have freedoms and I care about the people that fight and HAVE fought for it.

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Miburo

Heh, I just don't think the money thing is a great motive considering the risk/reward thing. All the people who hoped to gain any money from this are already wealthy people. Why would these people risk doing something like this to make a bit more cash, especially when the price for getting caught would surely be death for treason and the HUGE chance that they would be caught (Considering the amount of people it would take to pull this off). Granted, greed can make people do stupid things, but this would be far beyond stupid.

Then you've got to take into account all the other lose ends like getting Bin Laden to go along with it and what-not.

When you compare the above scenario to the one in which a douchebag terrorist organization that has the motives, money, people, and will to attack important American structures it just seals the deal as far as I'm concerned. There's no rational reason for government officals to do these things.

Is it possible that the government is hiding information to possibly save face or protect it's interests? Absolutely. Is our government responsible for the 9/11 attacks? I can say with confidence that they weren't. Quite frankly, it's stupid to think otherwise.

flareofdragon

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Basically, here is the main point (to the guy Miburo is arguing):

Would the US (or military leaders) want to secure sources of oil or a pro-American country in the middle east? Obviously. But WHY WOULD THEY HURT THEIR ECONOMY IN THE PROCESS? America influences a lot of the world's economics, the debt and trading is a big part of America. I do not care what you think of George W. Bush, but I think everyone realizes that if that the nation they are in is faltering, the money they gained would be unstable.

How is the economy hurt by this?
Airlines going down because people are afraid!****** (big corporations dying is bad)
Great amount of money spent on defense.
Hysteria and a great amount of focus on rebuilding the destroyed area. Plus its the world trade center. If there was a dirty bomb set off in that plane, basically most of the economics of the world would turn upside down.

And he does all this for what, Oil? George W. Bush is rich enough already, his family owns a freaking oil company, meaning he has a stable and ever increasing business. Why would he need more money?

There needs to be a reasonable amount of evidence (those not looking into sided politics) pointing to Bush's want or need of money for anybody to believe that he would do such an astrocity. I mean I know politicians do shady kinda things, but that should tell you that they do things by slipping it underground, not by a dramatic crash to call attention to it.









Plus, why aren't the creators of loose change dead yet?

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Ninja48

That's a question that I've always wanted answered. Why do rich people want to become even more rich? Don't they have enough money already? This is something neither of us can answer unless either of us become rich ourselves. But what I've noticed is that corporations do do thing's just to save a buck, like outsource workers, cut back on heath benefits, etc. The only thing I can do is assume that a number of politicians wanted some extra cash to fix up their mansions.

And about Bin Laden, there's a conspiracy theory revolving around him and Bush (and company) being bestest friends. I'm guessing that's because Bin Laden was an ex-CIA agent. Again, no hard evidence to back this up at all :P.
What I said above applies to Al Quada as well. Not sure on the details though, and this probably sounds rediculous as hell to you :P. I guess that the leaders of the USA and Al Quada are working together to exploit their own people, in order to make money. But eh. Totally baseless.

I don't think it's totally stupid. It's kind of illogical, is all. But eh, believing in an illogical (semi or not) theory can still = stupidness to you :P



Yeah, the economy get's punched in the gut. But the reasoning behind pulling a 9/11 is to make money for the people who pulled it, not to stimulate the country's economy. The amount of money spent on defense? 3/4ths of a trillion dollars. That's some good cash for defense industries. Hysteria? That's what led us to war, and convinced other politicians to increase the defense budget.

Lol@maddox article. They arn't dead yet because if the CIA or FBI came to assassinate the creators, then that would prove that they were right, and 9/11 was a conspiracy. Besides, the only reason to kill them would be for vengence. Killing them wouldn't silence them, because their voice, through Loose Change, has already been heard around the internets.

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DarkAztek

I'm sorry, but as much as I dislike Bush, he's just not evil. There is no conspiracy to just get a shit load of money. I refuse to believe that ANYONE would kill thousands of people (then over 100,000 more people) just to get some extra pocket cash.

Bush is a creep, yes. He's a total douche, to be certain. But that's just his politics. He actually IS a good person... (Just extremely, extremely stupid and biased.)

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You don't get the point. If the US loses, the oil company loses. They need to make sure that the economy does not go down the drain, and attacking with an airplane does not seem to be a good way of doing that. If the country falters, their money becomes very suspectible to damage.

And if you think about the psychological affect of the attack over the masses, it just does not make sense politically/economically/socially. Thats the triangle of action right there.

Dude, do you even know how money is slipped? I think a lot of the Bush administration realizes that just profitting one business is not good for anything. If they have that much greed there, they must have been the gods of acting and the one thing I know about Dubya is he can't act.

lol, I just wanna say, you don't get to be logical when you want to be. Why don't you look at everything with that mindset?

Uhm and there can be a lot of things gained by murdering people. Besides there is a computer in the US government that has the power of 35000 computers or something, 5 minutes in after uploading and it should be gone.

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White Lotus

I don't understand how you guys can blaitantly call people evil, and shit like that, this whole debate is full of mindless speculation, people like dark say that bush is a horrible person, (bogus btw), but even he doesn't think he is evil, you guys have to stop thinking of bush and US officials as things and as PEOPLE, MOST people don't do shit like that to their own people, unless they are sadam... but w/e you guys voted for him, and if you don't like it shame on you

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Ore-sama

About why the US government would kill their own people...

Look, children, a government is not mum and dad who look over your well-being. A government is not a merry bunch of sociable and sweet idealists. A modern government is made of greedy assholes seeking wealth and power by ruling over tax-paying workers-for-them. Considering the gold retrieved from the towers and the fat terrorism insurance the Twin Towers' owners obtained due to the attack, hell the government sure knew how to help themselves. They certainly didn't feel any personal attachment to the people killed, and guess what? If I get the chance to commit the perfect crime, get away with it and get both endless wealth and great power, I'd so go for it.
I would so see the government, which is made of HUMANS (=greedy, selfish beings with a weak heart which is easily corrupted. Stop believing Disney movies), do this. I would so see myself do this. It's a smart thing to do. Get rich and powerful and at the same time, obtain the comprehension of your allies for attacking your eyesores since you just got the perfect pretext.

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UzumakiIchigo

Man you guys are just being ridiculous.
there was no conspiracy, this is the real world not some t.v. show whith some insane villain who goes around murdering his own people, the world dosen't work that way (except for hitler who died anyway)

I'm sick of hearing people act like they're so smart because they watched some second rate documentary on the internet that has little or no evidence(and the evidence they do have is exaggerated)

People just try to look for some level of order in chaos, they refuse to believe that thousands of people could have gone to work and died in a terrible tragedy just because some insane extremists hate our nation.

Saying that there was a conspiracy with 9/11 is like saying that there is an image of Jesus in my bologna sandwitch.

Miburo

I don't think anyone is going to disagree with that. No one is saying that government officals would never do anything that jeapordizes it's citizens if the politicians can get something out of it, and can get away with it scott free. Everyone should know that their government lies to them or hides stuff from them sometimes.

But this isn't the perfect crime, it's actually far from it. The risk/reward ratio is far too great. The amount of people it would take (and subsequently need to be assured that they'd keep quite) when added with the penalties for treason alone makes the loose change theory incredibly unlikely. These guys wouldn't be the first corrupt politicians out there, and none of the other guys had to make world wide spectacles to make some illegal cash. There's far more to be lost than to be gained for these people doing something like this.

The huge blow to the economy should be more than enough evidence to show that the government itself wasn't responsible for the attacks. Not to mention there's no real motive to have a government sanctioned attack on our own buildings, America loses with the attacks no matter how you try and see it.

Then you've got the whole 'Bin Laden and friends already admitted to it, and continue to take credit for it' thing. When you add everything together, the conspiracy just doesn't add up.

White Lotus

I'm not saying the US goverment is a bunch of Merry little elves, i'm saying there is no way they would take the chance and risk everything to make afew bucks, as miburo said, risks out way the reward

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