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Old 01-17-2007, 06:25 PM   #1
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The King Theroy, New Approach

Hey, ok so I haven't seen this theroy anywhere else... but I think that the "king" in Naruto is Ino. before you shoot me, read why.


When Asuma was dying he told Shikamaru he would tell him who the King was. This king is the same one that he told Shikamaru to protect when they were playing chess. Now most theories state that Naruto or Konoha are the king, but if you look at the evidence pointing it to Ino, it all adds up, and it all makes sense.

First off, when Asuma died he told Shikamaru who the king was. This drew a startled reaction from Shikamaru. Right afterwards it showed a flash to Kurenai, this makes one assume that Kurenai is Asuma’s king. Because he loved her, he would do anything to protect her, even give his life. This being said, Asuma would not tell Shikamaru to protect his king, but Shikamaru’s own. As if each person has their own game, their own king. He then, on his death bed, told Ino not to lose in love, once again pointing to him figuring out the feelings that the two of them share for each other, even if they haven’t yet. More evidence points to this because when they return to Konoha Shikamaru insists on being the one to tell Kurenai of Asuma’s passing because he feels It his duty being it the last thing Asuma told him (after telling him the king he said I’ll leave it to you, adding to evidence that he wanted Shikamaru to tell Kurenai). How else would he feel this need, without Asuma having told him of the relationship during the private talk because it is never mentioned anywhere else.

Later, during the Akatsuki fight, Ino said that she would go and distract Hidan, Shikamaru refuses to let her go because he won’t risk her safety. This shows that he is begining to protect the king from any harm, and instead goes himself so that he will stop any harm from coming to her. Also, this could be why in his plan she was placed on look out instead of in the action to prevent any harm from coming on her.

When Shika is struck down by Hidan, a flash back is seen of Asuma saying make me round, and then a lighter and a shougi piece fall out of his pocket. Most assume this to be a filler of space by the author, but if you look at it in the way of him loosing Asuma’s lighter and the king then it shows that in failing to protect his team, he broke his promise to Asuma ((the lighter)) and failed to protect the king, there for literally and figuratively losing the king ((the shougi piece)). Because Hidan would return and in no doubt slaughter his team. These falling pieces symbolize his promise and love slipping away from him before he could fulfill it and losing the king.


As for the queen, this could be Chouji. Not the relation between Ino and Chouji but the queen steers the game, when she is taken all else is doomed to fall apart and the king is almost always taken shortly after.

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Old 01-17-2007, 06:54 PM   #2
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Re: The King Theroy, New Approach

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Hey, ok so I haven't seen this theroy anywhere else... but I think that the "king" in Naruto is Ino. before you shoot me, read why.


When Asuma was dying he told Shikamaru he would tell him who the King was. This king is the same one that he told Shikamaru to protect when they were playing chess. Now most theories state that Naruto or Konoha are the king, but if you look at the evidence pointing it to Ino, it all adds up, and it all makes sense.

First off, when Asuma died he told Shikamaru who the king was. This drew a startled reaction from Shikamaru. Right afterwards it showed a flash to Kurenai, this makes one assume that Kurenai is Asuma’s king. Because he loved her, he would do anything to protect her, even give his life. This being said, Asuma would not tell Shikamaru to protect his king, but Shikamaru’s own. As if each person has their own game, their own king. He then, on his death bed, told Ino not to lose in love, once again pointing to him figuring out the feelings that the two of them share for each other, even if they haven’t yet. More evidence points to this because when they return to Konoha Shikamaru insists on being the one to tell Kurenai of Asuma’s passing because he feels It his duty being it the last thing Asuma told him (after telling him the king he said I’ll leave it to you, adding to evidence that he wanted Shikamaru to tell Kurenai). How else would he feel this need, without Asuma having told him of the relationship during the private talk because it is never mentioned anywhere else.

Later, during the Akatsuki fight, Ino said that she would go and distract Hidan, Shikamaru refuses to let her go because he won’t risk her safety. This shows that he is begining to protect the king from any harm, and instead goes himself so that he will stop any harm from coming to her. Also, this could be why in his plan she was placed on look out instead of in the action to prevent any harm from coming on her.

When Shika is struck down by Hidan, a flash back is seen of Asuma saying make me round, and then a lighter and a shougi piece fall out of his pocket. Most assume this to be a filler of space by the author, but if you look at it in the way of him loosing Asuma’s lighter and the king then it shows that in failing to protect his team, he broke his promise to Asuma ((the lighter)) and failed to protect the king, there for literally and figuratively losing the king ((the shougi piece)). Because Hidan would return and in no doubt slaughter his team. These falling pieces symbolize his promise and love slipping away from him before he could fulfill it and losing the king.


As for the queen, this could be Chouji. Not the relation between Ino and Chouji but the queen steers the game, when she is taken all else is doomed to fall apart and the king is almost always taken shortly after.

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This is a new way to look at the theory, but let me see if I can make sense of it all.

The first issue I found, was your interweaving of fact and theory. It is safe to assume, even pretend, that Asuma and Kurenai were in love (They're one of my favorite fan-couplings as well), but it wasn't ever stated they were in any sort of relationship greater than friendship. In addition to that, Asuma didn't nessecarily die for the sake of protecting her. It seems far more plausible he died with the intent to kill the Akatsuki members, or avenge the Fire Monks. In either circumstance, there's no solid evidence his motivation was Kurenai.

I simply don't recall him pointing to Shikamaru when he said this, but I haven't looked back at the Asuma death chapter in a while. Once I can verify this, I don't really have anything to say. However, knowing Asuma and Ino, it seems more likely he was saying "Don't lose in love" to mean "Don't give up your ninja way". As I said before, let me check this first.

This scene wasn't even really ambiguous to me. Shikamaru simply deduced that with Ino's Mind Switch being a dangerous technique, she'd be risking too much of a strategy he already had planned. In the instance she missed, her mind wouldn't return to her body, and he'd be outclassed trying to protect it. I think it was more for the sake of his plan, than for Ino.

Following your logic, would that not have been Kakashi? Choji, in all honesty, didn't serve much use than to buffer Kakashi's attacks against Kazuku. In that sense, he seems much more like a rook or a knight protecting Kakashi, the queen. Queen pieces are neigh invincible as they can move to any place, and attack any other piece. Kakashi, in the same sense, was quicker than Ino, Shikamaru, and Choji, and was able to crush Kazuku's heart when none other could even touch him.

Like I said, this is just me. I don't normally deal with theories, but yours was creative, and I wanted to put in my two cents.
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Old 01-17-2007, 07:33 PM   #3
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Re: The King Theroy, New Approach

i understand there are flaws, i was just looking at every thing i could find. But that is still what i beleive to be the king... thanks for pointing that out though
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Re: The King Theroy, New Approach

ya the king is the most important peice but being that if u lose the king u lose the game and if Ino died than nothing would really happen it would just be a normal death but if like naruto dies or gets captured than the world and and village is screwed or if Konoha falls than everyone would be screwed cause they are the leading village
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Old 01-17-2007, 10:30 PM   #5
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Re: The King Theroy, New Approach

Ino wasnt there when Asuma was fighting Hidan, she arrived later. Your assuming that Asuma and Kurenai are in love to each other, while your taking Shika's love to Ino from Temari (both dont have the facts whom are thier respective love interest). If Ino will die, will anything big be affected for the story? It will be just like Asuma's death, "part of ninja's life". Asuma's sort of advice is just one of the thing Asuma want to discuss wiht Ino maybe long time ago, but he just cant do it cause he consider his student's feelings. Since he is dying, there is no other time to tell her that. Its how it goes, people can say whatever they want when they feel/know that they will die soon. Its Asuma's parting words, nothing else beyond that.
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Old 01-18-2007, 02:48 AM   #6
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Re: The King Theroy, New Approach

First this needs to be moved to manga this is FULL OF SPOILERS!!!

Interesting and well thought out my problem with it is that Choji has shown more leaning to match up with Ino and Shik with Temari. It shows to be leaning that way.

Asuma would be more then a pawn in Ino's life. maybe a bishop due to the teaching analogy or some thing like that.

Another problem is I do not believe that Shik was told the name but another clue that seams more his style.

surprise issue should not enter into it, because to often we add our info as Character knowledge. Shik still has no clue about the 9 tails. Also he has never really seen him go off using him and he might not even know how that he can summon to this would be a big suprise to Shika as a character not to us the reader.
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Old 01-19-2007, 12:33 AM   #7
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Re: The King Theroy, New Approach

i'll let this thread be open since this one has more of a discussion than this one:
http://www.narutolounge.com/forums/s...ht=king+theory

same theory, but less discussion and more spam/hate :/......

PLEASE DONT LET THIS THREAD TURN INTO THAT OTHERWISE IT WILL BE CLOSED AS WELL.........^^;

as for the theory itself, i still highly doubt that ino is "the king"......there really is no concrete evidence of it......
on another note, if it was ino, shika is suppose to protect her no matter what...why would he risk her life by bringing her along to fight two akatsuki members?

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Re: The King Theroy, New Approach

meh, I think Asuma's relationship with Kurenai is definitely beyond platonic. It's pretty implicitly obvious that they have feelings for each other, although how strong we don't know. What we do know is Asuma actually told Shika to relay his last words to Kurenai, and we see her falling to her knees, obviously crying. She's also the one who presents the flowers at Asuma's burial, even though it probably was a task normally reserved for family members (konohamaru being one who is alive).

As for Shikamaru's love interest, I'm totally rooting for Temari. Ino might work out with Sai, but the ShikaTem relationship would be a good one (she has all the qualities that Shika's mom has). As for your theory on the king...well I'm still saying it's Naruto
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Re: The King Theroy, New Approach

I, like those who posted above me, find many flaws in your theory, and thus, I feel the need to point them all out.
For starters, I believe the entire theory in general was influenced greatly by your belief in ShikaIno(I mean, just look at your name). In addition, you made a lot of assumptions, like assuming Asuma was in love with Kurenai, assuming Shika was in love with Ino, assuming that Asuma's last words to Ino were addressing Shikamaru as well...you get the point. Besides, if Ino loved Shika, there'd be no chance of her losing in love since Sakura doesn't love Shika, and thus, Asuma's message wouldn't have made any sense.
During the current Hidan/Kakuzu vs. Team 8 fight, Shikamaru told Ino to stay back because he already had an excellent plan, which would be completely ruined if he didn't go. He said it was for her safety in order to trick Hidan into thinking he wasn't up to something. And the whole "Chouji is the queen" thing is an unplausible assumption. In conclusion, this theory is totally off. Better luck with your next one.
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Re: The King Theroy, New Approach

hey I post a similar theory and most people said it was stupid...lok back my theory of The king is ino I mean what is the most important "game" to you, its your life and the life of the one you love... Asuma WAS talking about his team not Naruto.... I Think Kishi is doing this to show that theres more in Naruto than the Sakura Naruto Sasuke Kyubi stuff we already saw....

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Re: The King Theroy, New Approach

wut makes u think he was talking about his life or someone in his team cause that wouldnt really make sence the only thing that would make since is naruto
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Re: The King Theroy, New Approach

i believed that the king in this is every1 in konoha, just like the 3rd said very1 is important to him as he is important to every1 and he would sacrifice his life to protect every1
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Re: The King Theroy, New Approach

Read to your own expense.

Asuma revealing to Shikamaru who "the king" was meant to give a message of important information. What you're saying is nothing more than a love story... which seems a bit ridiculous imo.

Plus, there hasn't been any hints pushing Ino and Shikamaru together.
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Re: The King Theroy, New Approach

this theory is rediculous cause Shikamaru likes Gaara's sister if it hasn't been hinted enough and chouji and Ino have a thing low key.
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Re: The King Theroy, New Approach

Remember only Naruto, Gaara, Sasuke, Sai, and Sakura of the younger generation even know he has the 9tails in him and they have not been told for sure so it would be big news. I think he told him about the fox in Naruto and left it at that. He always seamed to speak in riddles to Shik and let him figure it out. I do not think he would do different at the end.
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