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Old 02-06-2007, 04:08 PM   #1
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Kidnapping or child abduction has been a major problem in many parts of the world. The US in paticular is famous for this. I have just had the unfortunate encouter with this grim and sickly fate.

Yesterday my Aunt recieved some grim news about something happening to my relatives in Seattle. She took off in a plane to go there today. My Aunt would not tell anyone what happened until today. When I was riding home from school my older sister told me that my cousin Jasmine went missing ever since Friday and they just put out an Amber alert for her today on Tuesday. She was my first cousin and she is 14 years old now and she is even taller than me. I remember when we were little and I use to play with her and my other cousin along with my little sister all the time I went to go see my relatives in Bath, NC. These sort of things are something you expect to happen to other people but you have to relise that you are other people to other people.

So my question for this debate is what do you think is the cause of kidnapping/child abduction and do you think it is something that can be prevented or something we just have to deal with?

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Child Abduction Statistics - How to prevent child abductions


Preventing Abductions


Whenever the evening news brings the story of a kidnapped child or teen, the terrifying prospect of abduction fills the minds of parents across the country. But it's important to remember that the majority of children will pass through childhood safely. One of the challenges of being a parent is to teach your children to be cautious without filling them with too much fear or anxiety.

Although some dangers do exist, there are steps that you can take to lessen the chances that your child will be abducted.

Approximately 2,100 missing-children reports are filed each day. All of these cases might be solved more easily if parents were able to provide a few key pieces of information about their children, like: height, weight, eye color, and a clear recent photo.

The Reality of Child Abductions The circumstances surrounding child abduction are often quite different from the way they are portrayed in TV shows and movies.

Here are some of the realities of child abduction:


The majority of children who are reported missing have run away, or there has been a misunderstanding with their parents about where they were supposed to be.
Of the kids and teens that are truly abducted, the majority of them are taken by a family member or an acquaintance; 25% of kids are taken by strangers.
Almost all children kidnapped by strangers are taken by men, and about two thirds of stranger abductions involve female children.
Most abducted children are in their teens.
Children are rarely abducted from school grounds.
Strategies for Preventing Abductions: Parents often do not provide their children with safety information that could help prevent an abduction.

These strategies may help:

-Make sure custody documents are in order.
-Have ID-like photos taken of your children every 6 months, and have your children fingerprinted. Many local police departments sponsor fingerprinting programs - check if they're available in your town.
-Keep your children's medical and dental records up to date.
-Make online safety a priority. The Internet is a great tool, but it's also a perfect place for predators to stalk children. Be aware of your children's Internet activities and chat room "friends," and remind them never to give out personal information. Avoid posting identifying information or photos of your children online.
-Set boundaries about the places your children go. Supervise them in places like malls, movie theaters, parks, public bathrooms, or while fundraising door to door.
-Never leave children alone in a car or stroller, even for a minute.
-Choose caregivers - babysitters, day-care providers, and nannies - carefully and check their references. If you've arranged for someone to pick up your children from school or child care, discuss the arrangements beforehand with your children and with the school or child-care center.
-Avoid dressing your children in clothing with their names on it - children tend to trust adults who know their names.
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Old 02-06-2007, 07:44 PM   #2
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Re: Kidnapping

What the hell sort of debate is this.

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So my question for this debate is what do you think is the cause of kidnapping/child abduction and do you think it is something that can be prevented or something we just have to deal with?
What people think the cause of child abduction is cannot really be the subject of debate, because it all depends on the person who's doing the kidnapping. I can't stand on a soapbox and say "PEOPLE DO NOT KIDNAP TEH KIDZ BECOZ THEY WERE MENTALLY SCARRED AS KIDZ LOL". Because that's the rationale behind many an infant kidnap. I also can't say "KIDS ARE NOT TAKENZ BECOZ OF A MAN LIKING CARROTS", because for all I know, there might be a man kidnapping kids because he... likes carrots. It's all in the individual. There's no right or wrong, or debate.

And all I'm going to say about this:

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do you think it is something that can be prevented or something we just have to deal with?
... is that noone thinks it's something we just have to deal with. That puts it on the same level as taking out the garbage. "Everyone has to do it, it's a fact of life".

"Oh, my kid's been kidnapped. Oh well, happens all the time. I'm sure the abductor just did it for the lulz".
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Old 02-06-2007, 07:59 PM   #3
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Re: Kidnapping

I think this is something that has been dealt with by the gov. with appropriate measures. Kidnapping is something that is also a crime that can be punishable with the death penalty or life in prison. The executive brach of government did their job to help persuade people to try to not take other's kids. I think the main problem that is causing this to be a nusience is the fact that we are not doing the appropriate tactics to help combat this to a thing that should be only a crime you hear about once in a blue moon.
About 20,000 kids go missing every year in America and some of those kids could have had a chance to get found if we would have given more details about the child's physical appearance other that "HE WAS THE SWEETEST BOY YOU WOULD HAVE EVER MET AND HE ALWAYS SMILED!!!*SOB*"
We could take more precautions instead of just telling them "don't take candy from strangers". The people who take the child grab them and pull them in the car. Most of them are guys and the offenders of the crime are mostly guys. We could put our kids in self defense classes so we can make sure they are physically ready instead of just mentally preparing them for the situation. It will allow for kids to fend off the criminal to run away.
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^Eh? I think parents give as much information as possible to get their "little boy *sob*" back. Also, little kids learning self defense will not do much against full grown attackers. Besides, we really can't force them to learn self defense.
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Re: Kidnapping

I think it's both the one who's kidnapped and the kidnapper at fault. Of course, everyone knows why it's the kidnapper's fault, but the one who's being kidnapped should know responsibility and when a stranger approaches him/her they should scream 'help' as loud as they can...at least that's what my parents taught me. So, this brings me to the point that it's not just the kidnappee's fault, it's also his/her parent's/s' fault/s (if they're under the age of 17). The parents should've taught their kids what to do when a stranger approaches.

Anyways, other than this, I hope your cousin will be found soon, shiek.
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Re: Kidnapping

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The cause? There are lots of cause. Usually money.

Most teens are idiots. They think their first love is like Romeo and Juliet and there ran off with the man that they know too little about their backgrounds. In a few blinks they find themselves in country where porn is the developing industry and screaming means they like it.
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I think it's both the one who's kidnapped and the kidnapper at fault. Of course, everyone knows why it's the kidnapper's fault, but the one who's being kidnapped should know responsibility and when a stranger approaches him/her they should scream 'help' as loud as they can...at least that's what my parents taught me. So, this brings me to the point that it's not just the kidnappee's fault, it's also his/her parent's/s' fault/s (if they're under the age of 17). The parents should've taught their kids what to do when a stranger approaches.

Anyways, other than this, I hope your cousin will be found soon, shiek.
Ya well nowdays, even if people yell help or activate one of their handheld alarms, people nearby if they even hear it, won't usually go out. Why? Because either they're scared that they themselves might get harmed in the process, or they're too lazy. Trust me, not everyone will help a person who is in need of it. And besides, usually kidnappings are usually planned events. Which means the kidnapper would try to stun the victim furtively. So the victim would have no chance to scream or anything. And if you were kidnapped and had a gun to your head, would you rather listen to the kidnapper and follow their instructions on how to be quiet, or would you rather retaliate there and now. A child can't do much against adults. And usually they are armed. My suggestion as kidnapping prevention is to avoid walking in dark, and narrow and quiet places. Usually after dark. Also you should have a cell phone at all times. You might be able to be rescued later. But most of all, if you see any suspicious person, then your first initial reaction is to run. Don't even look back or think it's impolite or looks stupid. Just if you think you're in danger, run. And run towards where people are and you'll be safe. Have hope. Kidnappers along with rapists are one of the most vilest kinds of criminals and they are even frowned upon by murderers and robbers. They won't get off lightly if caught. I'll pray for her.
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Re: Kidnapping

as soon as a kid turns into a teen, don't think for one second that they are all grown up and can look after themselves. even if you believe you live in the "safest" area, you have to keep a close eye on everyone. if need be, suspect everyone, carry pepper spray and hope for the best =/
kidnapping in america is just awful, because you can expect the unexpected. really, no matter how much money and info you give to the goverment etc, it wont solve the hundred other kidnapping cases cause heck, america is one hell of a big place and unless you solve something A.S.A.P, well. if you know a child has been missing for just even over an hour or two, you should call the police not wait till 3 days after.
"oh, my kid aint been home for 1 day. i'll wait it out another day, see if he/she comes back" wrong choice.

yeh kekkei, young kids roaming the streets at night is like winning the lottery for them.
perhaps kids should get some training as to how to "act" with such vile people, as they do with fire escape practices and stuff. (would it make a diff?)

-Avoid dressing your children in clothing with their names on it - children tend to trust adults who know their names.

seriously, what idiot would put their child's name on the child's clothes. if parents don't have common sense these days, they are as much to blame as are the kidnappers, as shin said.
well, just hope she returns safely sheik. heads will roll when that 'napper is caught.
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America - huge area, few borders. Nothing short of mass microchipping can be done to stop abduction. Oh, besides actually looking after your child.
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Re: Kidnapping

There's a number of reasons for kidnapping.

One of the motives we usually see first is money. If the family is rich, the kidnapper will want money.
Another reason is rape and pleasure. If the kidnapper thinks a girl is hot, he will kidnap and probably rape her.
Another can be for revenge. If the kidnapper has a grudge against the person or one of his/her family members, then they will kidnap, kill, or w/e they want to them.
One last reason that I can think of at this moment is that the kidnapper is crazy. They aren't thinking straight maybe due to drugs, alcohol, or a mental sickness; but they might kidnap a person just for the heck of it, and might kill them for pleasure, or w/e.
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There's a number of reasons for kidnapping.

One of the motives we usually see first is money. If the family is rich, the kidnapper will want money.
Another reason is rape and pleasure. If the kidnapper thinks a girl is hot, he will kidnap and probably rape her.
Another can be for revenge. If the kidnapper has a grudge against the person or one of his/her family members, then they will kidnap, kill, or w/e they want to them.
One last reason that I can think of at this moment is that the kidnapper is crazy. They aren't thinking straight maybe due to drugs, alcohol, or a mental sickness; but they might kidnap a person just for the heck of it, and might kill them for pleasure, or w/e.
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One of the motives we usually see first is money. If the family is rich, the kidnapper will want money.
This doesn't happen anymore, money can be tracked. The kid would never be returned.

Children who are kidnapped are either 1.kidnapped at a young age and raised by the kidnappers 2.Trafficed on the black market 3.Tortured, abused, and eventually killed.

Best of luck shiek, there have been rescues. Its also possible she might have run away. Your family members should broadcast her picture on the tv. Coincidentally I was read an article today about kidnapped kids who make it home, so its not impossible.
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Well first off, parents put their kids name on their clothes, becuase they are asked to. Usually by the school that the child attends, unless you're in middle school. Then you tend to recognize your own clothing and can pick it from a number of others like look like it.

Secondly, self defense is a good method for some, especially when dealing with stragners. But what if the person doing the kidnapping is not a stranger? Then what?

Kidnapping is unfortunately a fact of life. And most of the times nowadays, it's because of a jilted spouse in a custody battle. A jilted boyfriend/girlfriend looking to get back at their ex. Sometimes parents don't want to see their child placed in foster care. Those would be for a person who is associated.

For the kidnapper's who aren't. There could be ransom involved. Ex employee, fan of a celeb kind of thing. A stalker even. Or your flat out sicko who gets their kicks from seeing a kid scared out of their wits.

Regardless, most parents do what they can for their children. Mine for example. He gets off the bus, only when he sees the person who supposed to pick him up(I tell him in the morning before school). He isn't allowed outside unless I'm around. He goes to supervised "playdates" with his friends, and he calls me if he's going to be late coming home or not.
He knows the emergency numbers to call. How to mentally store facts about a person who acting suspicious and to tell me later.

But these can only go so far when he's around me or at a friend's house. To be honest, my biggest worries come when the class has a field trip.
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So my question for this debate is what do you think is the cause of kidnapping/child abduction and do you think it is something that can be prevented or something we just have to deal with?
most of the causes of abduction or kidnapping here in our country is for money. there are lots of cases where kidnap groups kidnap a person for a certain amount of money as ransom. most of the victims are children/relatives of a prominent politician or a wealthy Chinese businessman.
although there are also records of child kidnapping where kidnapped kids are sold to foreign phedophiles to be sex slaves or somthing like that.

this also happens somewhere in the globe...
if ur kinda interested, u may read this... >_>
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*shrugs* Kidnapping is rare around here but that doesnt mean that me must take it for granted. There are several ways to prevent this.. But seriously, will your kids follow it or will YOU, yourself follow this?

- Do not talk to strangers... No matter what they give you.. You do not approach them..
- Always walk in group because who knows that your friends might know a lil bit of martial arts.
- Do not go home with people that you doesnt know...

Eitherway, most kidnappers only wants self pleasure for themselves. Only a little are in it for the money.

I myself always carry a chopper in my bag. It might be useful. To the kids.. Always remember to bring anything like pepperspray or something that will cause harm to the kidnappers but that doesnt mean that you can bring your knife to school...
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Re: Kidnapping

will kidnapping is not a real problem in the uae... in dubai in paticular .

...u see the doesn't happen so much...maybe once or twice in a year!!! so.. i dont know much a bout this...

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I myself always carry a chopper in my bag. It might be useful. To the kids.. Always remember to bring anything like pepperspray or something that will cause harm to the kidnappers but that doesnt mean that you can bring your knife to school...
omg...ARE YOU Serious?????...
WILL WE DONT DO THAT
there is no reason to do it...

BUT GOOD FOR YOU ANY WAY....

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